whoa whoa whoa. I said Udonis Haslem could sway the series. He clearly swayed this game.

I said i dont think he could possibly be in shape if hes not playing bc it made no sense. But spoelstra's been struggling all season so who knows...


The Bulls fake coach of the year played kover so much i dont remember what brewer looks like. That hurt.

5/18/2011 11:38:55 PM

who shouldve been coach of the year? Kurt Rambis?

5/18/2011 11:43:31 PM

Spoelstra's entire life is going to be defined in the next few weeks. Either win and become the next big name coach in the NBA or lose and start over back at the bottom. I really don't see any in-between for this guy.

5/19/2011 12:34:42 AM

geez i was right about the drunk part.

Rose sucks my god

5/19/2011 7:41:28 AM

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"Wow, like the Heat much? What about their play last night made you think they are ready to win in Chicago?"

say what?

5/19/2011 8:18:37 AM

Derrick Rose is a fantastic player and has an arguably greater resume than Lebron's first three years. He certainly has the potential to be an all-time great and may eventually carry the "best player in the world" title, given that he's only 22. But to say he's the best player in the league currently (like Adande, Bulls homers, and LBJ haters) is absolutely incorrect.

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"Lebron is the 3rd best player in the series"

Come on, dude. You're just trolling face, right?

Lebron James is by far the best player in the league. He affects the outcome of the game on both sides of the ball more than anyone currently does. That being said, he's frustrating as hell to watch. He has the physical tools and basketball IQ required to retire as the best player ever. His problem is that he doesn't care about basketball with the singularity that Jordan or even Kobe does.

This is Lebron's eighth year in the league; imagine if he spent each offseason honing his weaknesses as a player. He bulked up to 270 pounds and has zero post game. His jump/foul shooting is still erratic. He somehow hasn't figured out how to keep the ball lower when dribbling. The only thing he's improved markedly over his career is his defense.

The dude cares far, far more about his status as a global celebrity than he does as a basketball player. Being a great basketball player is what makes him famous; bottle service and brand recognition is what gets him off.

5/19/2011 12:45:08 PM

Lebron...Shaq...Chris Webber

Someone once called these guys "93% guys". All the talent in the world, great players, but you never felt like they fully harnessed all their talents. Seemed to leave just a little on the table every time out.

At least he's not in the Carter/McGrady camp of guys who never got close to realizing their potential.

5/19/2011 12:47:50 PM

^
Which one of the three do not belong?

5/19/2011 12:49:18 PM

Shaq played his way into shape the majority of the seasons he was still a dominant player. He weighed close to 400 pounds during much of his Lakers tenure. If he had truly dedicated himself all year like Jordan and Howard, he would've been dropping 30/15/3 every night, and he would have made more than a cursory attempt to improve his foul shooting.

5/19/2011 12:52:09 PM

I was going for two of them are top 20 all-time player quality, while the other will not sniff the HOF.

5/19/2011 12:55:45 PM

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"At least he's not in the Carter/McGrady camp of guys who never got close to realizing their potential."

Haha

Shaq was definitely a more dominant player in his prime than Lebron has been so far. But he's (Lebron) still peaking. I don't know, it's crazy to think how good he could be if he gave a shit.

5/19/2011 12:56:32 PM

Lebron doesn't give a shit....stated as fact in this thread.

5/19/2011 12:58:35 PM

5/19/2011 1:48:41 PM

Mark how are you gonna say Lebron is by far the best player in the league then point out he has no post game or jump shot?

I think Wade is the best player on the Heat. I suppose you could argue that lbj is better than rose but its a closeone

5/19/2011 2:22:43 PM

LeBron is the most talented player in the league, but while he's a relatively hard worker, you can't compare him to the guys who eat, sleep, drink and piss basketball 24/7. You can't really blame LeBron; he's just not wired that way. Few are, in any profession. I could be a much better employee if I cared as much about work as some people here, but I don't, so I'm not.

But give Kobe or Ray Allen LeBron's physical gifts and the MVP trophy would be on absolute lockdown until 2017.

5/19/2011 2:29:34 PM

I didn't say he has no jump shot, just that he's streaky. He buried 3 long jump shots late in the 4th quarter last night.

There isn't a single player alive who is great at every aspect of the game. Kobe used to be that person but he's declining (and even at his best his passing was never as good as Lebron's). Wade isn't as good of a defender or shooter as James, and he's much smaller (he is a better slasher). Wade is a dominant player, as is Rose; neither are as good as Lebron right now.

5/19/2011 2:35:10 PM

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"Wade isn't as good of a defender or shooter as James,"

Wade is a much better shooter than James, from the line, from mid range, from behind the arc

did you see Lebron at the line last night? What did he start off, 1/5?

And how many of the big shots he's made in the playoffs has he made when his team was trailing? Seems like all the jumpers he knocks down are when his team already has the lead, aka no pressure

5/19/2011 2:37:16 PM

^Turns out neither of us are correct as far as the shooting - it's basically a wash.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1966/lebron-james
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1987/dwyane-wade

Wade is definitely not known as a shooter, and he's certainly not "much better" than James. There are definitely nights where Wade is the best player on the Heat. There are also nights where Chris Bosh is the best player on the Heat (game 1)

[Edited on May 19, 2011 at 2:43 PM. Reason : so the heat wasn't under pressure in the 4th when Lebron hit those shots?]

[Edited on May 19, 2011 at 2:47 PM. Reason : 1]

5/19/2011 2:41:47 PM

So we're just ignoring numbers now?

Wade's best 3 point shooting season is comparable to LeBron's worst.

5/19/2011 2:41:49 PM

neither of them are great outside shooters

Wade is by far a better FT shooter though

5/19/2011 2:42:41 PM

Don't backtrack so easily. You said Wade was a much better three point shooter. How so?

5/19/2011 2:43:51 PM

i said he's a much better shooter, and he is a better shooter from the line or inside the arc

i got carried away with the 3 point comparison

Lebron has no touch, he's just a ball of brute energy

5/19/2011 2:44:31 PM

Career FT%:
Wade - 77%
James - 74%

That's like saying Dirk's FT performance in game 1 was leagues ahead of Durant's.

[Edited on May 19, 2011 at 2:46 PM. Reason : So Lebron has minimal to no skill; he's just an energy guy.]

5/19/2011 2:45:33 PM

Refrain from using Wade's shooting as an argument for his superiority. Its one of the weakest aspects of his game.

5/19/2011 2:48:07 PM

Wade is 80% career in the playoffs to Lebron's 74% in the playoffs

obviously he has skill, he just has no touch, which is evident by him missing free throws and layups last night

he's basically mini Dwight Howard with a better jumper

nobody as arguing Lebron's freakish athleticism

but that doesnt win titles, not in 8 years at least

5/19/2011 2:48:40 PM

LOL, c'mon man. Weak analogy.

5/19/2011 2:49:21 PM

he can also run faster than Dwight

happy now?

5/19/2011 2:50:17 PM

LeBron is a better shooter from deep than Jordan

Couple scrubs I guess

5/19/2011 2:52:08 PM

Kobe is just a mini Shaq, with a better jump shot.

5/19/2011 2:52:18 PM

don't call me out for my analogies and come up with bullshit like that

Kobe and Shaq are built nothing alike

Lebron and Dwight are both built like running backs and just happen to be tall

5/19/2011 2:58:10 PM

I remember when you used to be a worthy opponent. Seems like a long time ago.

5/19/2011 3:00:48 PM

I remember when winning championships meant more than potential

5/19/2011 3:01:25 PM

Fine. Nate Robinson is like a mini-Big Baby, with a better jump shot.

5/19/2011 3:02:53 PM

Jordan was an aberration. Big Men win titles. Guards help them out.

5/19/2011 3:02:59 PM

looks like whoever wins this year is gonna be another aberration

unless you consider Dirk a big man

5/19/2011 3:06:46 PM

in wake forest's case, big men* win titties, guards help them out


*hoping gary clark was a big man, otherwise joke doesn't work...cant remember much about him

5/19/2011 3:06:50 PM

Nah, he's a just a little guy.

5/19/2011 3:07:25 PM

He's 7 feet tall, Jimmy

5/19/2011 3:07:45 PM

Durant must be a big man too then

I figured when you said "big men win titles" you meant guys like Duncan and Olajuwon who play like big men

not 7 foot jump shooters like Dirk

5/19/2011 3:08:23 PM

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" *hoping gary clark was a big man, otherwise joke doesn't work...cant remember much about him"

He wasn't.

5/19/2011 3:10:34 PM

Durant and Lebron aren't big men. Dirk is. Dirk has played center for significant stretches.

5/19/2011 3:10:58 PM

of all the 7 footers in the league, Dirk probably also plays the least like a typical big man

5/19/2011 3:16:32 PM

TreeTwista making terrible arguments ITT.

5/19/2011 3:20:00 PM

my only terrible argument was forgetting that Wade wasn't a great outside shooter either

5/19/2011 3:20:47 PM

Lebron's step-back jumpshot is unguardable, and deadly when he is hitting. He is absolutely a better jump-shooter than Wade, and his range extends well past the arc. Free throws are obviously a weakness, but to call him a brute and compare him to Howard is a goddamn joke.

[Edited on May 19, 2011 at 3:25 PM. Reason : 2]

5/19/2011 3:21:32 PM

i compared his physique to Howard

Lebron and Howard have much more similar bodytypes than say, Howard to Yao or Bynum

which is evident by Yao and Bynum always being hurt and Howard and Lebron never being injured in their careers

because Lebron and Howard are both physical freaks

5/19/2011 3:22:36 PM

The Lebron/Howard comparisons were spot on though, as their similar shooting and assist numbers will attest.

5/19/2011 3:22:38 PM

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"Lebron has no touch, he's just a ball of brute energy"

You MIGHT could have said this after his first or second year in the league. But that's about it.

You should slowly back out of this thread. Your self perceived knowledge of the NBA (probably basketball in general) is a lot higher than what it really is.

5/19/2011 3:34:50 PM

Cold day in hell before he admits that. He's as hard as Kenard.

5/19/2011 3:39:03 PM

if the Heat win it all this year, I'll happily concede that LBJ is the best in the league, even if its Wade who takes the shots at the end of close games

but until then it'll just be a bunch of people crowning somebody who has never won anything because they're infatuated with how absurdly strong and athletic he is

people arguing on TWW doesn't prove anything, winning championships does

5/19/2011 4:48:21 PM