Bristol Palin, Sarah Palin, and now Richard Dawkins all jumping on the Ahmed the Clockmaker incident.

Sarah Palin

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"'Yep, believing that's a clock in a school pencil box is like believing Barack Obama is ruling over the most transparent administration in history,' Palin wrote in the Facebook post in which she shared pictures of her kids' pencil boxes. 'Right. That's a clock, and I'm the Queen of England.' 'Friends, consider the kids disciplined and/or kicked out of school for bringing squirt guns to school or taking bites out of a pop tart until it resembled (to some politically correct yahoo) a gun. Or the student out deer hunting with his dad early one morning who forgot he had a box of ammo in his truck when he parked in the school's lot later that day.' 'Whereas Ahmed Muhammad, an evidently obstinate-answering student bringing in a homemade "clock" that obviously could be seen by conscientious teachers as a dangerous wired-up bomb-looking contraption (teachers who are told "if you see something, say something!") gets invited to the White House.' 'By the way, President Obama's practice of jumping in cases prematurely to interject himself as the cool savior, wanting so badly to attach himself to the issue-of-the-day, got old years ago.' 'Remember him accusing police officers doing their job as "acting stupid"; claiming if he had a son, he'd look like Trayvon Martin; claiming he needed to know who was a fault in an industrial accident so he'd 'know who's a** to kick'; etc., etc. Those actions are about as presidential as his selfie stick.'"

Richard Dawkins

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"Disassembling and reassembling is great. But you shouldn't then claim it was your "invention". If the reassembled components did something more than the original clock, that's creative. If not, it looks like hoax. I agree, although his English seems good, it's possible he doesn't know the meaning of "invention". And he should NOT have been arrested. It's not relevant to the undoubted wrongfulness of his arrest. It is relevant to the mistaken adulation he received. I'm not putting down the child. I'm putting down myself & the rest of us for being fooled. And the police for arresting him for nothing."

Bristol Palin

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"In case you missed it. The President invited Ahmed Mohamed to visit the White House to show the President his homemade clock. The fourteen year old was arrested after someone reported that he was building a bomb. This is the kind of stuff Obama needs to STAY out of. This encourages more racial strife that is already going on with the “Black Lives Matter” crowd and encourages victimhood. The police made a mistake, clearly. But why put more people against them? Why egg it on? Childish games like this from our president have divided our country… even more today than when he was elected. "

9/20/2015 10:08:58 PM

Did the kid hate the suburban Irving rednecks who called him a terrorist bomb maker and make a fake bomb? I mean nice case. Was he caught before he could call in a threat? Suburban rednecks are worse than terrorists if you ask me.

9/20/2015 10:08:58 PM

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" This encourages more racial strife that is already going on with the “Black Lives Matter” crowd and encourages victimhood."

This

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""they never thought he had a bomb""

No shit. The potential charge was bomb hoax

9/20/2015 10:33:58 PM

All the conservative backlash and subsequent liberal (and in this case rational) support in response, made him more powerful than you can possibly imagine

9/20/2015 10:35:22 PM

LOL @ Dawkins:

"Kid put a clock together. That's some simple shit, America."

9/20/2015 10:39:59 PM

Time disagrees.

http://time.com/4041210/obamas-response-to-ahmed-mohameds-clock-is-hypocritical/

(to appeasing racial strife)

[Edited on September 20, 2015 at 10:43 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2015 10:42:07 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-seriously-hooked-ahmed-mohamed-150152426.html





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counterpoints to all the love he has been getting from tech companies:

http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves

http://imgur.com/drGpVJL



[Edited on September 20, 2015 at 10:48 PM. Reason : ]

9/20/2015 10:45:59 PM

I mean joke bomb. It's funny. I hope he did it.

9/20/2015 10:55:37 PM

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"http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves"

good read

9/20/2015 10:57:58 PM

I got tired of fat annoying atheists brining up Dawkins five years ago. Rational thinkers (self called) need a new rational thinker.

9/20/2015 11:23:33 PM

never heard of em

9/20/2015 11:25:43 PM

I'm just surprised nobody has pointed out that fourteen year-old boys are like the #1 people who like to blow shit up, set stuff on fire, and shoot things, and occasionally, they unwisely bring those pursuits out of their backyards.

I mean, I'm sure the kid has faced plenty of religious discrimination, whether it's being called "terror boy" on the school bus or having his best friend's mom awkwardly ask stupid questions about "Muslimism."

But investigating a teenage boy cause he brought a bomb-looking thing to school is pretty standard. And, if there's evidence of a hoax, then it's also pretty standard for police to make the charge and leave it up to the prosecutor.

It's unfortunate that those things are standard, but they are.

[Edited on September 21, 2015 at 12:01 AM. Reason : I'm glad he got some free stuff though.]

9/20/2015 11:54:54 PM

if you want to arrest the kid you have to evacuate the school first imo

9/21/2015 6:08:46 AM

they didn't accuse him of bringing a bomb, rather, a bomb hoax (even though he explicitly denied it being so every single time anybody asked him that question... and then the cops said he was not 'forthcoming'... LOLWAT? he already said a billion times it was a clock, what more do you want him to say? )

9/21/2015 6:31:46 AM

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"But investigating a teenage boy cause he brought a bomb-looking thing to school is pretty standard."

of course, i don't think anybody is really in disagreement about that. but it was very quickly determined not to be a bomb, that he never claimed it to be a bomb, and he posed no danger. yet he was still arrested, questioned, and suspended for multiple days. investigating suspicious looking stuff is totally cool...but there was definitely an overreaction afterwards.

9/21/2015 7:32:30 AM

They cancelled home economics because flour looks like a cocaine hoax.

9/21/2015 7:51:23 AM

^^ yeah the initial outrage is that no teacher seemed to embrace the creativity and ambition of the kid (which maybe has an explanation somewhere we're not seeing)-- which is how the maker community got involved. Many of us were tinkerers as kids, and routinely took apart every electronic device in our vicinity.

Then there's the fact he had it with him pretty much all day, voluntarily showed all teachers (maybe because of what the technology teacher sand so they wouldn't be freaked out if they found it randomly?), and when he let the buzzer go off (probably playing a prank or something), the last teacher just confiscated it for the rest of class, which she should have done.

The divergence from reality is when the principal got called in, called the cops, had them march Ahmed out, suspended him for 3 days, and THEN sent a letter home to parents letting them know he's keeping the kids safe from bombs.

9/21/2015 11:12:13 AM

yeah it seems like I'm reading a lot of "well...it's a Muslim kid with a homemade device, better safe than sorry. everybody's too damn PC nowadays". When in actuality nobody is really disagreeing with the idea of administrators (and even police, if necessary) investigating a suspicious looking device. That's totally cool...it's the overreaction, after realizing that there was no danger at all here, that is what most people are outraged about. The "better safe than sorry, I don't care who it offends" argument is missing the point entirely.

9/21/2015 12:09:36 PM

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"had them march Ahmed out, suspended him for 3 days"

3-days was pretty mild. I know a kid that was suspended 10-days for bringing a laser point to school and got caught during a class assembly shining it on a wall. The ruling was that this was a "weapon hoax" that could have been a sniper rifle.

9/21/2015 12:44:04 PM

Yeah, I think people are missing the point. Just because a person tells authorities that it's a clock, that doesn't mean he should no longer be suspected of perpetuating a bomb hoax.

I agree that he shouldn't have been arrested. I suspect bomb hoax laws are intended to catch people who actually create hysteria or disrupt an organization's day, which he didn't.

But this is how laws and rules are applied now. You get charged with everything on the books, and then the prosecutor makes the case they can. Ideally, you have an attorney. It's all a shame, but anybody's who's outraged hasn't been paying attention.

And "rednecks" in Texas say and do enough ignorant stuff that you don't need to jump on this normal series of events to put them down. You can stop pointing your fingers, guys.

9/21/2015 4:22:17 PM

Sometimes outrage is the appropriate response as long as you are outraged at the appropriate thing. The example HUR gave is no less idiotic and deserves just as much outrage.

There was zero actual fear that this was a bomb, they never evacuated the building, they never called the bomb squad, etc. What they did do was decide that they couldn't "risk" not doing all the stupid bullshit they possibly could.

It's like the kid being hauled off for taking bites of a poptart that made it "look like a gun" or the kid being sent home for shooting another student with his finger, etc.

It's all ridiculous nanny state bullshit, not so much racism.

9/21/2015 4:29:57 PM

Everyone knows it wasn't a bomb.

What they wanted to know was if it was a BOMB HOAX.

The only reason this is getting outrage is because there is a racial angle for the liberal narrative, hence Hilary/Obama tweets.

Edit: Sorry I saw that dumbfuck viral FB msg picture of "They knew it wasnt a bomb" on page 15 ITT and thought that was still going around here.


[Edited on September 21, 2015 at 5:46 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2015 5:40:53 PM

^^I agree with most of your post, but I'm not sure if you know what a nanny state is.

Also, laws and rules are enforced this way because society demands it. Your average person loves zero tolerance.

In fact, one reason why zero tolerance policies are so beloved is because they are enforced across the board. There's no room for discretion (potential discrimination) if every person--even Ahmed--is treated to the same ridiculous punishments.

[Edited on September 21, 2015 at 5:43 PM. Reason : ^We get it.]

9/21/2015 5:42:11 PM

Quote :

"nanny state n. Informal A government perceived as having excessive interest in or control over the welfare of its citizens, especially in the enforcement of extensive public health and safety regulations."

9/21/2015 6:51:18 PM

Since this is the only racial thread on the first page I figured I'd put this here.

I wish people would keep demographics in mind before making statements meant to prove a point.

Was watching the CBS evening news while they were talking about Viola Davis winning the emmy, and they said "Just 13 percent of female characters on television are african american"

And I was like "Oh, so they are slightly overrepresented then, considering only 12% of Americans are black"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity

9/21/2015 6:56:25 PM

^You should start a new thread, honestly.

9/21/2015 7:09:14 PM

Two things

[Edited on September 21, 2015 at 7:10 PM. Reason : two of something is awesome.]

9/21/2015 7:09:14 PM

Quote :

"Everyone knows it wasn't a bomb. What they wanted to know was if it was a BOMB HOAX."

which is why they released him right after he told everybody that was willing to listen that it was a clock, right?

9/21/2015 10:47:13 PM

Quote :

"Since this is the only racial thread on the first page I figured I'd put this here. I wish people would keep demographics in mind before making statements meant to prove a point. Was watching the CBS evening news while they were talking about Viola Davis winning the emmy, and they said "Just 13 percent of female characters on television are african american" And I was like "Oh, so they are slightly overrepresented then, considering only 12% of Americans are black""

while that's a clunky way of going about, it doesn't tell the entire story

the most important thing is the kinds of roles that go to African American women, not just the number of them

9/21/2015 11:12:44 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/09/21/ahmed-mohamed-google-science-fair-clock/72594140/

9/21/2015 11:43:10 PM

I'm sure if Ahmed was African American the arresting officer would have just shot him!!!!

AM I RITE

"Clock Down, Hands Up"

9/22/2015 12:53:22 AM

No African Americans in that picture. Google hates black people.

9/22/2015 1:40:06 AM

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"which is why they released him right after he told everybody that was willing to listen that it was a clock, right?"

As already explained ITT:

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"Yeah, I think people are missing the point. Just because a person tells authorities that it's a clock, that doesn't mean he should no longer be suspected of perpetuating a bomb hoax."

The cops knew it wasn’t a real explosive, but they were trying to discern whether Ahmed was attempting to cause alarm or play some sort of joke. That would be a serious and illegal offense, and it’s not outside of the realm of possibility for a kid to do that sort of thing. Saying and proving "it's a clock" doesn't prove he was innocent of a bomb hoax.

I hope Ahmed can recover from sitting in an air conditioned room for an hour being reportedly "uncooperative" with cops/teachers. It doesn't matter if the clock looked like a bomb trigger, it doesn't matter that schools tend to be sensitive to bomb threats and bomb hoaxes, what matters is the racial angle the liberals can exploit for the victim narrative.

[Edited on September 22, 2015 at 9:29 AM. Reason : .]

9/22/2015 9:23:23 AM

If someone wants to racially discriminate against me in return for some of the cool things this kid has gotten to do/received because of it I am gonna say I am perfectly fine with it lol

9/22/2015 9:30:09 AM

Quote :

"I'm sure if Ahmed was African American the arresting officer would have just shot him!!!! AM I RITE "Clock Down, Hands Up""

He *is* African American, lucky for him he is not very dark... I suppose.

9/22/2015 9:35:02 AM

JCE2011 played this one a little too hard and made it obvious he's just trolling

9/22/2015 10:32:47 AM

You should stick to baseless accusations of racism, works better when you have nothing to say.

9/22/2015 10:43:12 AM

nah

9/22/2015 10:45:33 AM

fair enough

9/22/2015 10:52:47 AM

Quote :

"The cops knew it wasn’t a real explosive, but they were trying to discern whether Ahmed was attempting to cause alarm or play some sort of joke. That would be a serious and illegal offense, and it’s not outside of the realm of possibility for a kid to do that sort of thing. Saying and proving "it's a clock" doesn't prove he was innocent of a bomb hoax."

you do know a hoax is, right?

[Edited on September 22, 2015 at 11:34 AM. Reason : pretty cut and dry]

9/22/2015 11:32:47 AM

Quote :

"The cops knew it wasn’t a real explosive, but they were trying to discern whether Ahmed was attempting to cause alarm or play some sort of joke. That would be a serious and illegal offense, and it’s not outside of the realm of possibility for a kid to do that sort of thing. Saying and proving "it's a clock" doesn't prove he was innocent of a bomb hoax. "

It was the school that screwed up here, the cops were most likely doing what the school asked. The cops screwed up separately by not allowing his parents to join, but the school already knew it wasn't a bomb hoax.

My guess is the principal is the nutty one and thought this was an easy way for him to get on the news fighting islamic terrorism... looks like at least some people were fooled...

9/22/2015 11:40:05 AM

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"you do know a hoax is, right?"

ITT, thegoodlife3 doesn't understand what a bomb hoax is, and how one can occur with the authorities aware that it is not an actual explosive.

Ahmed couldn't make it on a plane or government building with that thing, and his school teacher even told him to put it away. A suitcase and analog clock, with wiring that can easily be mistaken for a bomb trigger. Schools tend to be pretty serious about bomb scares. I think outrage culture should stopping getting mad at our civil servants for doing the jobs we ask them to do, but you know, racial angle, victim, narrative, now he is a national hero.

9/22/2015 11:56:42 AM

i agree with JCE2011 and am so mad that this became a national story because i also have a personal interest in it

9/22/2015 12:01:04 PM

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"ITT, thegoodlife3 doesn't understand what a bomb hoax is, and how one can occur with the authorities aware that it is not an actual explosive."

a bomb hoax would require someone to, yanno, say that it's a bomb

9/22/2015 12:15:03 PM

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"a bomb hoax would require someone to, yanno, say that it's a bomb"

Or, if you had any clue what you were talking about, you would know verbally claiming it is a bomb isn't required for it to be a "hoax bomb" or cause a scare.

Quote :

"(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly manufactures, sells, purchases, transports, or possesses a hoax bomb with intent to use the hoax bomb to: (1) make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; or (2) cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies. (b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. - See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/10/46/46.08#sthash.JIzBaGnJ.dpuf"

Thats what the cops were "interrogating" Ahmed about, or as his Muslim-activist politician father said, Ahmed was "put through hell.... he was hurt and was tortured and arrested and mistreated". Apparently Ahmed wasn't cooperating with the questions either when they asked "why he brought it to school". But none of that matters because the racial angle works for the liberal victim narrative, and narrative>facts in an echo chamber.

[Edited on September 22, 2015 at 12:26 PM. Reason : .]

9/22/2015 12:20:48 PM

the more relevent part to your reply is actually § 46.01:

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"(13) "Hoax bomb" means a device that: (A) reasonably appears to be an explosive or incendiary device; or (B) by its design causes alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or a volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies. - See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/10/46/46.01#sthash.B5v6tGG3.dpuf"

[Edited on September 22, 2015 at 12:24 PM. Reason : .]

9/22/2015 12:24:26 PM

But if a suspect says "It isn't a bomb" they should be free to go! Because the police trying to deter bomb scares at schools are racist bigots! #IStandWithAhmed

9/22/2015 12:28:05 PM

There was never a bomb scare, or threat of a bomb scare. Allegedly ahmed showed it to all his teachers... not sure how you can claim he was trying to scare anyone.

School principal just overreacted, probably because ahmed was brown.

9/22/2015 12:32:43 PM

teachers/administrators at the school are not officials of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies, and this device and explanation should not have caused alarm or reaction by the cops (and didn't, they said this) when they got there

it also doesn't reasonably appear to be an explosive or incendiary device

so it's not a hoax bomb per § 46.01 13 since whatever the idiot teachers think doesn't matter

that being said, i'm totally fine with them arresting the kid. it's a lot better to just arrest the kid just in case and check out the story than to risk it. if this kid was a terrorist innocent children could have been hurt and we have to think of the children, they are more important than terrorists

[Edited on September 22, 2015 at 12:43 PM. Reason : children > mohamed]

9/22/2015 12:33:47 PM

Quote :

"a bomb hoax would require someone to, yanno, say that it's a bomb "

yay we can agree on something

9/22/2015 1:13:50 PM