No, if Hillary wins, it's because she got more delegates than Bernie. Overall, she's had a lot more votes cast for her than Sanders, but because of the current system that awards proportional delegates, it's been a closer contest. Once she wins NY, WI, MD, and PA this conversation will be over.

3/28/2016 12:54:51 PM

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"If hillary gets more delegates than Bernie, it will only be because her margin of victory was so large in those bible belt states."

Not sure I buy it though. She has some YOUUUGE leads elsewhere

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"Once she wins NY (Clinton 48% lead), WI (probably a tie), MD (Clinton 33% lead), and PA (Clinton 25%) lead"

[Edited on March 28, 2016 at 1:22 PM. Reason : But yeah I don't buy it either. She has some YOUUUGE leads elsewhere]

3/28/2016 1:18:33 PM

most of those leads are because they are late races where the machine has convinced people she is the inevitable nominee way too early. it all goes back to those soutehrn primaries all happening early on. if we started with western saturday and western tuesday before super saturday and finished with super tuesday, the narrative could have been more difficult to spin.

3/28/2016 1:34:28 PM

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"Arizona is the only state that's relevant as a rebuttal "

I listed those states - states she WON - as a rebuttal to

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"just admit hillary is extremely weak out of the bible belt"

That's SIX states outside the bible belt that she won (and despite your objections, yes, Ohio is outside of the Bible Belt). You're the one that decided to #wellactually about how close they were.

Extremely weak means you don't win, not that you "only" won by 3 or 4 or 14 points. Because if her winning all of those states like that is "extremely weak" you better start coming up with more powerful adjectives than "extremely" to describe Bernie's even weaker candidacy.

[Edited on March 28, 2016 at 2:49 PM. Reason : .]

3/28/2016 2:49:13 PM

It doesnt exactly work both ways. The election was only handed to one candidate. Most of the country doesnt evem know who bernie is yet. Winning close with all of the establishment endorsements on your side is indeed EXTREMELY WEAK

3/28/2016 2:53:09 PM

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"Most of the country doesnt evem know who bernie is yet"

lol

the sad part is I think you actually believe this kind of bullshit

3/28/2016 2:53:56 PM

If "ifs" we're skiffs, we'd all be floatin' down the bayou...

3/28/2016 2:58:42 PM

legit question - do you other bernie supporters get pissed whenever Earl opens his mouth and lays down some colossal horseshit like this? do you feel like his tin foil theories detract from your overall argument, or do you embrace what he has to say?

[Edited on March 28, 2016 at 3:02 PM. Reason : dt, excluded, since he clearly will back whatever]

3/28/2016 3:01:46 PM

this isn't a bernie bro thing. read his opinion on literally anything else on here

3/28/2016 3:05:49 PM

maybe I worded that poorly. I don't think the way he speaks is indicative of how all bernie supporters speak

3/28/2016 3:09:36 PM

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"That's SIX states outside the bible belt that she won (and despite your objections, yes, Ohio is outside of the Bible Belt). You're the one that decided to #wellactually about how close they were. "

she was tied by someone who you've said doesn't have a chance in 5 of those states, so only Arizona is a worthwhile rebuttal

that's just pretty basic logic

3/28/2016 3:11:58 PM

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"maybe I worded that poorly. I don't think the way he speaks is indicative of how all bernie supporters speak "

sadly, most Bernie Babies these days are alike and stick to the same regurgitated talking points/memes on FB. I have had to unfollow so many of my FB friends it's ridiculous.

3/28/2016 3:13:51 PM

The Bernie supporters (not just in this thread) are about as delusional about his chances to win the primary as they are about the feasibility of his socialist economic agenda.

3/28/2016 3:29:26 PM

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"I don't think the way he speaks is indicative of how all bernie supporters speak"

Correct. Earl is a YOGGGGGGGGE troll on this site. You must not venture into sports talk much.

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"The Bernie supporters (not just in this thread) are about as delusional about his chances to win the primary"

What Bernie supports ITT are you referring to?

3/28/2016 3:49:05 PM

I gained my reputation as a troll in sports talk for saying gottfried couldnt retain players. Most of my so called trolls turned out to be correct.

Also if you think im a troll for calling out our oligarchal political system, youre wrong again unless jimmy carter is also a troll.

[Edited on March 28, 2016 at 4:04 PM. Reason : Face it this is a pretty homogenous site and anyone with a nuanced view stands out as a so called tr]

3/28/2016 4:03:12 PM

FOH dude. Yesterday you were saying the Cuse win wasn't an upset in sports talk. You're either dealing with some type of aphasia or you're a troll.

3/28/2016 4:05:02 PM

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"I gained my reputation as a troll in sports talk long before gottfried was hired"

ftfy

3/28/2016 4:15:11 PM

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"I deserve my reputation as a troll in sports talk "

FTFY synapse

3/28/2016 4:21:55 PM

And see some of you simply have problems with reading thimgs closly. If you go back, i was saying it wasnt a choke just because it was an upset.


Instead of saying "hmm i wonder why this person sees things differently than i do" you go straight to name calling.

[Edited on March 28, 2016 at 4:42 PM. Reason : K]

3/28/2016 4:30:22 PM

aphasia it is.

3/28/2016 4:37:42 PM

Lol then Go find me saying it wasnt an upset.

3/28/2016 4:40:37 PM

i'd tell you to go and look up what aphasia means, but since you have one, it's not going to help

3/28/2016 5:06:26 PM

So again you run away from any substantive discussion and double down on the personal attacks

[Edited on March 28, 2016 at 5:36 PM. Reason : Whose the troll]

3/28/2016 5:35:44 PM

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"any substantive discussion"

LOLOLOLOL

3/28/2016 5:40:33 PM

For those of you interested in a pro-Bernie argument. I will just post articles now since goaliex is wondering if anyone else feels the same sort of bern. It would be silly to put all bernie supporters into one box so have a few reads. I also went to a phone bank event last week and heard a lot more extreme views than the ones I have. Of course, I didn't just start calling those people names but I've heard bernie supporters say things like more people have already voted for bernie than hillary and the un should be called in to monitor the rest of the primaries.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/sanders-campaign-makes-its-case-winning-nomination

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""Her grasp now on the nomination is almost entirely on the basis of victories where Bernie Sanders did not compete," said senior strategist Tad Devine. "Where we compete with Clinton, where this competition is real, we have a very good chance of beating her in every place that we compete with her.""

'
I guess the senior strategist is a troll too
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/27/1506710/-The-state-with-the-lowest-percentage-of-white-people-in-the-union-just-voted-for-Sanders-70-29
woops, so much for the "bernie can't get the non-white vote" false narrative

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"Mr. Sanders is also fighting the perception that as an avowed socialist he can’t win in November. “Don’t let anybody tell you that Hillary Clinton is the strongest Democratic candidate to take on the Republicans,” Mr. Sanders told an estimated crowd of 15,000 in the People’s Republic of Seattle. “It is not true.”"

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"Most Americans still don’t know much about what Mr. Sanders believes, including his desire to return to 1930s tax rates and his sympathy for Communist regimes during the Cold War. His belief in undiluted socialism would be vetted in a general election campaign in a way it hasn’t been in the Democratic primaries."

that sounds familiar. could backfire but usually people learning more information is a good thing
http://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-gets-no-respect-1459117222

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"Andrew Tyndall provided the breakdown by network of Sanders' 10 minutes of coverage, via email [emphasis added]: CBS Evening News: 6.4 minutes NBC Nightly News: 2.9 minutes ABC World News: 0.3 But how can they be? ABC News, for instance, clearly devoted more than 20 seconds to covering the Democratic debates, which featured news of Sanders, right? As Tyndall explained to me, the number "counts stories filed about the Sanders campaign or from the Sanders campaign. Obviously he is mentioned in passing in other coverage of the Democratic field overall, specifically his performance in the debates.""

Also, imagine how much of an impact it could have if they simply reported the actual delegate count instead of showing unfairly skewed graphics to drive home the message that its over before people actually vote.



Most of the clinton supporters I talk to say they just don't want trump as their main reason for voting for Hillary so information is the biggest thing. All they have to know is that Bernie is actually more electable.


http://heavy.com/news/2016/03/new-york-election-fraud-voter-registration-not-enrolled-in-a-party-dropped-sanders-clinton-democrat-what-to-do-how-vote-suppression/
lastly, ny is already experiencing a heavy dose of Arizona style voter suppression.

[Edited on March 28, 2016 at 6:17 PM. Reason : v]

3/28/2016 6:08:58 PM

a bunch of people being lazy and putting off changing their party alignment until the last minute and then not being able to get it done because the servers couldn't handle it isn't voter fraud. it's bernie babies looking to blame anyone but themselves for their fuckup

and 3 or 4 anecdotes doesn't prove systemic fraud, either

[Edited on March 29, 2016 at 12:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2016 12:49:59 PM

fuck off already. in the hearing yesterday, the Arizona SoS admitted it even happened to one of her staffers.

It happened to people who have been Democrats or Republicans their entire adult lives.

"3 or 4 anecdotes": https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4boc9t/new_york_check_your_voter_registration_few/

[Edited on March 29, 2016 at 1:36 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2016 1:30:48 PM

you keep linking to reddit as if I will ever that that seriously. you should just save yourself some time.

3/30/2016 8:30:33 AM

you keep posting as if anyone takes you seriously

3/30/2016 8:36:40 AM

the disdain of Bernie Babies is my ambrosia

3/30/2016 9:09:29 AM

yuuuuge

3/30/2016 9:10:57 AM

i win

3/30/2016 9:19:57 AM

What's all this about "Bernie Babies"? Is that a thing? What's it mean? Seems like a silly term to constantly use.

3/30/2016 10:40:36 AM

it's the natural evolution of a BernieBro. The BernieBros were the ones all up in your face with half a dozen memes a day on facebook.

Now, they've evolved in to the people who complain daily about how there is widespread voter fraud. Or that large swaths of the country shouldn't have a voice in selecting the nominee for the party. Or that the order of the primaries were unfairly slanted against the guy they like. The list of "injustices" goes on and on.

Sure, they can still bro up, like when Bernie wins Washington State or a bird lands on his podium.

But for the most part, they spend their days crying about shit. Hence, Bernie Babies.

3/30/2016 10:57:05 AM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-really-hard-to-get-bernie-sanders-988-more-delegates/

so you're saying there's a chance?

3/30/2016 11:22:40 AM

It's sad how completely consumed goalielax is by the supporters of a candidate he dislikes.

3/30/2016 11:30:07 AM

hey I'm glad he has something that makes him happy

3/30/2016 11:55:21 AM

I don't look at polls but I would have thought California would love Bernie

3/30/2016 11:58:17 AM

no way, waaay too much wealthy establishment

3/30/2016 11:59:44 AM

The good thing about the rest of the states is they're spread out, plenty of time to campaign and plenty of time for Clinton's favorability ratings to drop further

I mean damn, she'll be in the 30s next month. Already the lowest ever for a Dem presidential candidate.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating


[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 12:05 PM. Reason : .]

3/30/2016 12:03:18 PM

Californians aren't as progressive as people think. Lots of NIMBY's and BANANA (build absolutely nothing anywhere near anyone) folk. Also, the Central Valley might as well be Kansas given how redneck and ignorant most folks out there are. People rag on the Bay Area for being super liberal, but it's really not. Most people here love money and are pretty OK with the status quo, myself included.

3/30/2016 12:06:27 PM

Kansas might not have been the best example considering what happened there

3/30/2016 12:08:19 PM

Who cares if Sanders won Kansas? That state is going bright red.

[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 12:11 PM. Reason : .]

3/30/2016 12:11:06 PM

seriously? all the sam brownback stuff?

you should pay attention to kansas, it's what north carolina will be in a few years unless major changes are mad

Edit:
This was posted when the above post was "What happened in Kansas" or something to that effect

[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 12:13 PM. Reason : .]

3/30/2016 12:13:13 PM

are you agreeing that Kansas will be bright red or...?

3/30/2016 12:15:17 PM

Quote :

"Who cares if Sanders won Kansas? That state is going bright red"

BC we're talking about the primary

3/30/2016 12:16:50 PM

One of the problems is that everyday people seem to think they would personally lose money under bernies tax plan. Ujustwait just hinted at it but its simply not true unless you make 250k. Once people find that out, they will switch to bernie. Its a shame elections dont start with everyone knowing the facts.

3/30/2016 12:21:24 PM

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"BC we're talking about the primary"

Neither Clinton nor Sanders will win Kansas. You can take that to the bank.

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"Ujustwait just hinted at it but its simply not true unless you make 250k"

Using the calculator on VOX, my taxes wouldn't really change with Clinton, but they'd go up slightly with Sanders. And no, I don't make anywhere near 250k.

[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 12:27 PM. Reason : .]

3/30/2016 12:26:02 PM

have you subtracted your current healthcare premium from that change?

3/30/2016 12:32:35 PM

^^
your taxes would only go up if Medicare for all went into effect. And then you would not be paying for insurance, deductibles, copays, or prescriptions.

[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 12:33 PM. Reason : .]

3/30/2016 12:33:28 PM