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OhBoyeee
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Henderson had 21 points! Somebody must have been schooled!

Henderson is the bus driver, he takes everybody to school.

[Edited on January 21, 2009 at 11:33 AM. Reason : .]

1/21/2009 11:33:18 AM

Alfgard
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They are who we thought they were....and we let em of the hook

1/21/2009 11:35:14 AM

gunzz
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that fucking 3 pointer that Smith made to put them up like 53 - 50 or something should not have counted.

that motherfucker took 3 steps from a hand off and sunk the three. i believe that shot changed the game and gave puke the momentum back.

and that was most def. Singler's 5th foul that wasnt called. the fucking refs took this game from us.

1/21/2009 11:54:42 AM

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1/21/2009 11:59:15 AM

bumpintahoe
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I think we played a great game eventhough we lost. My qualm is this - why don't we show up like this against teams that aren't Duke/UNC/Wake? Everybody gets all excited about being competitive w/ a very good Duke team when we all know that we are going to turn around and drop games to the mediocre ACC teams because we don't bring that same intensity.

Anyways, I hope I'm just talking out of my ass and this doesn't happen for the rest of the season, but we've already seen it this season so I'm not banking on it.

1/21/2009 12:14:55 PM

OhBoyeee
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^ oh we will be shitty, you don't worry your pretty little head about that.

1/21/2009 12:18:04 PM

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1/21/2009 12:27:24 PM

JCE2011
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If you wanna crown 'em

Then CROWN THEIR ASS

1/21/2009 1:27:55 PM

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Yeah Smith's shot definitely gave Duke the momentum back - that's when they started their run and the never looked back. We finished with 56 points.

1/21/2009 1:41:47 PM

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I really hope we can rebound and find an identity. Look at Duke Basketball Reports analysis of the game, it gives a pretty good insight from a different angle on the coaching as well as player problems.

1/21/2009 2:01:59 PM

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i just couldnt believe that not one official was watching Smith's feet as he took three steps to take a shot from a hand off screen.

that really blew my mind

1/21/2009 3:54:12 PM

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im shocked that it shocked you

havent you seen how hansborough operates?

1/21/2009 3:57:11 PM

TreeTwista10
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here is the article tcywolfpacke was referring to

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"Duke and State put on an odd game in Cameron Wednesday, one which saw Duke significantly underperform in the first half and then saw State hang tough until falling apart in the closing minutes, losing 73-56.

We’ve been of two minds about State lately, thinking on the one hand that they’re really not that far away but also wondering if what happened last year could happen again.

We’re convinced we were right the first time. State’s not really that far away. They desperately need a leader in the backcourt.

Whatever his virtues, it’s not Farnold Degand. At the beginning of the game, Duke announced their lack of regard for Degand immediately, with Nolan Smith taking him straight to the basket and then not allowing him to even set up State’s offense for the first two minutes of the game. It was really impressive, and it didn’t take Sidney Lowe long to get him out of there, as he sent Javi Gonzalez in and things got better for State.

Duke shot out to an 8-1 lead and kept State from scoring a basket until the 13:10 mark when Duke had a 10-3 lead.

Yet Duke couldn’t hit anything. Despite a number of good looks, they just couldn’t get them to go down and ended up shooting 29% for the first half.

Yet State ended up the better team in the first half and for part of the second as well. Duke had particular problems with Ben McCauley, who proved to be a difficult match-up for Brian Zoubek, and Brandon Costner, who matched McCauley’s 15 points and five boards with his own.

But as we’ve seen with State this year, they can’t manage close games. Though it was a one-point game with 7:14 left, with Duke up 54-53, State only managed three points the rest of the way, with one basket from Courtney Fells and one free throw from Tracy Smith. During the same span, Duke scored 19.

Partly it was because as poorly as Duke shot in the first half, they shot a ridiculous 76.9% in the second, ending up 20-26.

And partly it was because State, despite a great game between the drought they opened the game with and the one they closed with, simply didn’t know what to do with the ball down the stretch. One the one hand, Duke shut State down, almost completely for more than 14 minutes. But despite that, State still could have stayed in this game at the end if they had just held on to the ball long enough to at least get a shot off. They were certainly holding their own on the boards and it’s reasonable to think they could have kept doing so. Duke ended up with 12 steals for the game, forced 19 turnovers, and got 27 points off those turnovers.

One of the other real turning points in this game was when Kyle Singler got his fourth foul late in the second half and Coach K opted to leave him in. When he took him out with two first-half fouls, State ran off about 10 straight points: lesson learned. Singler made it through without fouling again and Duke dominated the closing run.

For the Devils, Nolan Smith played well, hitting two key back-to-back threes in the second half surge, Singler was very solid with 17 points, and Gerald Henderson continued his spectacular recent play. He had an absolutely incredible first half block against State. He’s only 6-4, but Henderson has become an amazing shot blocker. He’s knocking them down from further away than almost anyone we can remember. Most people go up next to a shooter and more or less at the same time. Henderson is going up after and not necessarily close to the shooter at all. It’s truly remarkable.

He ended up shooting 10-16 for 21 points, had seven boards and five steals, with a number of them coming in the closing surge. He absolutely destroyed State. And Lowe knew it, and knew that he was giving Duke what his team so desperately needs:

“He’s a unique player in that he’s strong enough to put it on the floor and get by you and use his body, he can jump over you and he’s really knocking that jump shot down which makes him even tougher. You get up on him, he’s got that first step. He’s playing three or four. He can cause you a lot of problems as you saw tonight. He did exactly what a player of his caliber is supposed to do. He took over the game for a period there and that’s the one guy I talked about in pre-game to the media. He can change the game and he did it again tonight. That’s what he expects of himself and I’m sure that’s what his team expected. He did exactly what a leader is supposed to do. He took over.”

And that’s exactly what State doesn’t have. As admirable as McCauley and Costner can be, neither one is truly a leader. Last year, when they both basically sulked as J.J. Hickson proved to be a better player and took their minutes, and at any rate, neither of them can really alter State’s main flaw, because neither of them bring the ball up and neither is going to ever control it in the halfcourt game, even though McCauley is a more than adequately rounded big man.

It must be the most frustrating thing in the world for Lowe, who wore his big-game red jacket to Cameron. If you look back at his stats when he was at State, they were never overwhelming. Yet he was a superb leader for his team who got his guys to be steady and when they were in a close game hell would freeze over before he made a critical mistake. He was not just a good leader, he was an excellent leader.

He sits there and he is bound to see the mistakes coming, and he’s surely told his guys what to do and not to do. And they are effective for most of the game. But at the end, when his knowledge and experience should be most valuable, they simply can’t do what he has tried to teach them. They rush, they dribble too far, they try to make passes that are a stretch, and slowly, his team crumbles under the pressure and fails.

You can think back to any number of reasonable point guards in the past (or contemporaries for that matter), and they don’t have to be great ones, just good ones, and imagine them at State. How much better would they be? What about Terrell McIntyre? Bobby Frasor? T.J. Bannister? Charlie Ward? Keith Gatlin? Larry Drew II? For that matter, Sidney Lowe?

Just one steady guard who knew what to do in the clutch would make this team a viable tournament team. One steady guard and one reliably intelligent small forward could put them deep into the tournament.

For a competitor like Lowe, sitting and watching incompetence, when he sees the error almost every time, must just eat him alive. After this game and a number of close shaves this season, we have to say this: he’s staying in games despite a critical flaw in his team. We’d have to say that’s the mark of a good coach.

Back to Duke: while Greg Paulus is improving a great deal now and becoming a more valuable player as his injuries recede, and while Dave McClure is just a rock defensively, Jon Scheyer had one of his least impressive games at Duke. He typically influences the game in any number of ways aside from scoring, but against State, Scheyer almost got shut out. He hit a late three, and typically for Scheyer, it was a knife to State’s hopes. But that aside, he had four assists almost negated by three turnovers and was almost invisible for a lot of the game. You wonder if he was sick or something. "


check the 3rd to last and 2nd to last paragraphs...still credible

[Edited on January 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM. Reason : .]

1/21/2009 3:58:54 PM

Ernie
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Who wrote it?

1/21/2009 4:06:09 PM

TreeTwista10
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some Duke fan named "DBR"

here's the link http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=26541

[Edited on January 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM. Reason : i'm guessing DBR is Duke Basketball Report...some fan site]

1/21/2009 4:10:57 PM

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I generally respect DBR's analysis. They are pretty spot on with everything and not too biased despite being a site devoted to Duke basketball. God I can't wait for Brown and Harrow to get here. If John Wall was on this team we'd probably be in the top 4 of the ACC with WF, UNC, & Duke.

1/21/2009 4:24:53 PM

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