brady was inaccurate all day FWIW.

arguing over why they lost this one is a little silly. coach is crap and your players are stupid. same for the other 5?.

10/25/2010 12:45:32 PM

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"Keep jacking off to Chargers losses Jbrick"

Kind of easy to do with the way they keep piling up.

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"By the way, why don't you talk about how "clutch" brady was in that game"

He didn't have to be...his team won the game. He was pretty clutch in coming back from down 10 against Baltimore and winning the game in overtime. We're not talking about Brady, but nice attempt in changing topic.

The Chargers have won 2 games in blowouts. Their 5 losses have come in close games where they had chances to win or tie at the end of the game. You can pick apart each one of those losses and put the blame on someone else...but there is the one consistent in each loss...they have the ball at the end with a chance to win/tie and they don't get the job done. The Chargers AND Philip have failed to come through at the end. I don't really see how you can argue against that.

10/25/2010 12:56:08 PM

I still think that fumbled lateral was a "foward pass".

Also, that one fumble where the receiver "handed" the patriots the ball was a amateur mistake sure. Why though did none of the patriots secondary, touch the guy?? Had he not let go of the ball he could have gotten up and kept running. Almost it seemed that the patriots were expecting the guy to assume the play was over and release the ball for a fumble since he was never contacted.

[Edited on October 25, 2010 at 1:10 PM. Reason : s]

10/25/2010 1:09:53 PM

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"Almost it seemed that the patriots were expecting the guy to assume the play was over and release the ball for a fumble since he was never contacted."

You have to be one of the top 5 dumbest posters in the history of t-dub....and that is saying A LOT.

10/25/2010 1:18:27 PM

^^^ You didn't actually address any of my points, so I assume that means you don't understand them or you know I'm right about it.

Rivers would have been just as clutch as brady was against baltimore (actually more so, 17 points down instead of 10) if his kicker was able to do what brady's did.

[Edited on October 25, 2010 at 2:00 PM. Reason : ]

10/25/2010 1:57:02 PM

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"if"

10/25/2010 2:18:51 PM

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"You didn't actually address any of my points, so I assume that means you don't understand them or you know I'm right about it."

You're the one bringing up Brady in a discussion about Rivers. I haven't had anyone directly address my points in this whole topic, so why should I address yours??

Like how Rivers was "clutch" until it came down to the final drive?? Oh..and WR's drop passes, it's part of the game. Maybe he should have looked and/or thrown to a WR that was past the 1st down marker instead of throwing 8 yards short and hoping Gates could break a couple tackles and get the 1st down.

You want to post the "play by plays" when the Chargers consistently dug themselves into a hole in the 1st half?? I'm sure you would just highlight the ones where other players fumbled...would probably exclude the interception and incomplete third down pass attempts.

It only seems like I'm "jacking off to a Chargers loss" because I have to be so adamant when everyone else in this thread has wet dreams about Philip Rivers. Look, Philip Rivers is my favorite player in the NFL, but that doesn't mean he's without fault. You need to take off your red-tinted glasses and see that he's just not coming through at the end of games.

10/25/2010 2:35:43 PM

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"The Chargers AND Philip have failed to come through at the end"

why do you mention them as separate entities? I'm fairly sure that Philip is on the Chargers.

10/25/2010 2:36:45 PM

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"why do you mention them as separate entities? I'm fairly sure that Philip is on the Chargers."

Well I was just going to put "Philip failed to come through in the end", but I didn't want rile everyone up again. It was actually me just trying to spread out the blame a little bit.

10/25/2010 3:03:51 PM

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"Maybe he should have looked and/or thrown to a WR that was past the 1st down marker instead of throwing 8 yards short and hoping Gates could break a couple tackles and get the 1st down."

Did you even watch the game? Gates was Rivers only option as he was scrambling to avoid a sack. That 8 yards was huge as it set up a 45 yr FG instead of a 53 yr FG. Granted #65 then got a false start and made it a 50 yarder, but still that 8 yard play was important at the time.

Blaming Rivers for the Chargers losses is like blaming Pujols for the Cardinals not making the playoffs this past season.



[Edited on October 25, 2010 at 3:09 PM. Reason : bn]

10/25/2010 3:09:34 PM

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"Maybe he should have looked and/or thrown to a WR that was past the 1st down marker instead of throwing 8 yards short and hoping Gates could break a couple tackles and get the 1st down."

Pretty sure Gates was tackled almost immediately. While I think it would've been great for him to throw a pass past the 1st down marker, the fact that his OL didn't hold up and he had to scramble outside the pocket doesn't really help.

10/25/2010 3:12:49 PM

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"Pretty sure Gates was tackled almost immediately. While I think it would've been great for him to throw a pass past the 1st down marker, the fact that his OL didn't hold up and he had to scramble outside the pocket doesn't really help."

Although he didn't have all day, he had a decent amount of time in the pocket before he had to scramble. And Gates caught the ball about 6 yards short of the first down and ran/fell forward for another 4 yards.

Was listening to the announcer on the nfl.com highlights video and he flat out said, "this is what separates the good from the great quarterbacks in this league...great quarterbacks find a way to keep these drives alive." Which is pretty much what I've been saying in this thread.

Funny thing is that the Chargers still have a decent shot at making the playoffs. Denver and Oakland are barely ahead of them in the standings, and the Chiefs are just a few games ahead and, well, they're the Chiefs. Should be interesting to see if they bounce back this year like they have in the past.

10/25/2010 3:45:52 PM

Can someone make a gif of another rivers tackle. He's got more than jammer this year. Lol

10/25/2010 4:19:24 PM

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" You want to post the "play by plays" when the Chargers consistently dug themselves into a hole in the 1st half?? I'm sure you would just highlight the ones where other players fumbled...would probably exclude the interception and incomplete third down pass attempts."

You're not an elite quarterback if you throw an interception and don't complete every single 3rd down.

Rivers was 4 for 7 on 3rd downs in the first half, all of the completions getting first down yardage (although one was fumbled) which is hardly a bad percentage.

Here's the gamebook http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/54823/SD_Gamebook.pdf

Brady didn't convert a 3rd down in the entire first half.

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"Well I was just going to put "Philip failed to come through in the end", but I didn't want rile everyone up again. It was actually me just trying to spread out the blame a little bit."

That's generous of you, considering almost all of the blame goes to the lineman who false started and the kicker.

[Edited on October 26, 2010 at 3:00 AM. Reason : Can't really blame the kicker all that much either, mostly the lineman]

10/26/2010 2:57:02 AM

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"Brady didn't convert a 3rd down in the entire first half."

Are you fucking retarded?? Why do you keep bringing up Brady? I hate the guy, but he's won three Super Bowls. He's the last person you want to bring into an argument about Philip Rivers.

10/26/2010 7:53:41 AM

Look if you're going to claim someone is or isn't an elite quarterback, you have to establish what elite means. And to do that you have to look at the performance of other supposedly elite quartebacks or else you might attempt to hold Rivers to a standard nobody meets.

10/26/2010 10:14:43 AM

if rivers was any good he'd have hit that field goal

10/26/2010 10:15:27 AM

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"you have to establish what elite means."

Elite means winning at least one or two out of FIVE games where you are in the position to win at the end of the game. And maybe being able to get to the Super Bowl with having some of the best talent in the league for the past 5 years. He's had his excuses in the past (and many of them completely legit), but last year's loss to the Jets was inexcusable.

10/26/2010 10:34:43 AM

His excuse is norv fucking turner as his coach. SD won't win jackshit with that idiot as head coach.

10/26/2010 10:36:40 AM

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"He's had his excuses in the past (and many of them completely legit), but last year's loss to the Jets was inexcusable."

10/26/2010 10:46:54 AM

^ I do love that picture. Sucks that he's having a pretty good year for the Jets so far.

Rivers also had a pretty shitty game against the Jets. Chargers defense wasn't that bad in that game...offense definitely let them down.

10/26/2010 11:01:53 AM

^ you just couldn't post without talking shit about rivers. Honestly, your shit-talking about the guy is getting to be as sad as everyone else's man crush on him.

How about the 20+ carries that LdT took straight into the line for no gain in that game?

10/26/2010 11:08:37 AM

^ I was only responding to someone saying that the defense or Cromartie was the "excuse" for that game. Cromartie has been a shitty run support DB his entire career and was having a pretty sub-par year in general. So him not playing that well in that game or failing to tackle a running back in the secondary was nothing new.

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"How about the 20+ carries that LdT took straight into the line for no gain in that game?"

LT had been doing that shit all year. Rivers had a great regular season. If he had put forth one of his "average" regular season games, then the Chargers win that game.

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"Honestly, your shit-talking about the guy is getting to be as sad as everyone else's man crush on him."

And I'm only responding to people who are responding to me. If you notice, I don't come in here immediately after the game is over and post, "Told you mother fuckers, Rivers can't come through! How many more games is it going to take." First, I'm usually pissed about the game. Second, I only respond to other people's posts. I want Rivers to do well...for Christs sake, I want one of my teams to win something meaningful.

[Edited on October 26, 2010 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

10/26/2010 11:19:24 AM

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" You have to be one of the top 5 dumbest posters in the history of t-dub....and that is saying A LOT. "

Are you that dense and a complete tool? Obviously I had a lot of sarcasm in that post. Did you not watch the game? The patriots players did not "down" the receiver, they were lucky he did not jump up and start running. Also, it is obvious that the WR beleived he was down and released the ball for what he thought was a dead play.

10/26/2010 11:23:46 AM

There is absolutely nothing "sarcastic" about this statement:

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"Almost it seemed that the patriots were expecting the guy to assume the play was over and release the ball for a fumble since he was never contacted."

...just complete retardation. You're also not intelligent enough to be sarcastic.

10/26/2010 11:35:34 AM

This thread reminds me of Soap Box now

10/26/2010 11:37:46 AM

jbrick83 must be the sports lounge troll.





The ultimate look of intelligence. I hope you did not fry to many neurons working on that Business degree paid
for by daddy's trust fund.

10/26/2010 12:22:32 PM

lets start thinking how we're going to get past the titans this weekend

10/26/2010 12:28:47 PM

^^Cute. Can't argue on topic because you have no argument. And while you have to resort to finding drunken pictures of me in my photo gallery, all I have to do is point to any of your past 15,000+ racist/idiotic posts to find examples of your pathetic intellect.

^I like San Diego's chances. Tennessee has a pretty shitty pass defense and at some point the Chargers aren't going to make so many mistakes (knock on wood).

[Edited on October 26, 2010 at 1:28 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2010 1:27:31 PM

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"Elite means winning at least one or two out of FIVE games where you are in the position to win at the end of the game."

That can't be it, since you were already bitching about how much Rivers sucks after they were 1 and 2.

Whatever your definition is, Peyton Manning is the only QB in the NFL that would have given them a better record so far this year. I don't think most people on this board will claim Rivers is better than Manning yet.

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"And maybe being able to get to the Super Bowl with having some of the best talent in the league for the past 5 years."

Really? Outside of 2006, what makes you say they have had some of the best talent in the league?

[Edited on October 26, 2010 at 9:57 PM. Reason : ]

10/26/2010 9:55:47 PM

For at least the past 4 years, that have had at least one expert pick them to make/win the Super Bowl (I say "at least one" because this year I saw one guy on cnnsi.com pick them to win it...which is the least I've seen in the past four years). They have been the "trendy pick" for several years. So SOMEONE (mostly experts) has thought they had some of the more talented teams in the league for the past few years.

To say that they have underachieved would be fairly accurate.

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"Whatever your definition is, Peyton Manning is the only QB in the NFL that would have given them a better record so far this year."

I wouldn't say its a stretch to say that. Rivers is putting up great numbers and throwing the ball well. But maybe other QB's don't start off cold?? And maybe other QB's come through in the final drive.

I'm not arguing that River's isn't play well. I'm just arguing that he is definitely struggling to win the game at the end.

[Edited on October 27, 2010 at 1:05 AM. Reason : .]

10/27/2010 12:56:48 AM

I don't understand the enjoyment of keeping this argument going. Find a new thread, dude.

10/27/2010 1:02:13 AM

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"I don't understand the enjoyment of keeping this argument going. Find a new thread, dude."

It takes two (actually three, four, or five in this instance) to argue. I feel like I've countered about every point that's been made...so I'll bow out.

Hopefully Philip and the Chargers will run the table and will either blow everyone out or Philip can have a few comebacks in addition to the blow out and silence the critics (and me).

10/27/2010 1:08:52 AM

Much appreciated, and I'm not totally knocking your arguments.

10/27/2010 1:25:12 AM

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" I don't think most people on this board will claim Rivers is better than Manning yet."

Oh they would if I claimed otherwise.

10/27/2010 2:11:28 AM

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"I wouldn't say its a stretch to say that. Rivers is putting up great numbers and throwing the ball well. But maybe other QB's don't start off cold?? And maybe other QB's come through in the final drive. I'm not arguing that River's isn't play well. I'm just arguing that he is definitely struggling to win the game at the end."

Rivers got the Special Teams in position to kick a field goal. How is it his fault that they got a false start and missed the 50 yarder? You are a troll. Rivers is a top 5 QB and has had one of the best starts to a career in the history of the game.

10/27/2010 7:43:14 AM

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"Rivers is a top 5 Current QB and has had one of the best starts to a career in the history of the game. "

10/27/2010 8:10:41 AM

Ok....I swear....last one (maybe because this is a new guy arguing):

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"Rivers got the Special Teams in position to kick a field goal."

The Chargers got the ball in New England Territory, with 2 minutes to play, with all three timeouts. And they had to settle for a 45 yard field goal (before penalty)?? Not good enough...sorry.

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"Rivers is a top 5 QB"

I agree.

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"and has had one of the best starts to a career in the history of the game."

Is that in reference to his record?? Because he wasn't thrown to the wolves like a lot of young QBs drafted high (Manning, Leaf, Russel, Stafford, Bradford, any Browns QB, etc)...he got three years on the bench to learn and adapt while the team continued to improve without him. Then his first couple years he had one of the best running backs in the history of the league in his prime (or on his slight decline) and also one of the best TEs. He was a game manager his first year or two.

Now he is essentially their whole offense (as he basically was the last two years). I'm a little disappointed in San Diego's run game this year. Last year I thought it was just an aging LT that was holding them back. I expected Matthews to be doing a lot more. I think Philip can carry the team, but the rest of the team (sans the running game) has to be perfect. Zero mistakes. I don't know if they're capable of that.

10/27/2010 8:36:47 AM

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"I wouldn't say its a stretch to say that. Rivers is putting up great numbers and throwing the ball well. But maybe other QB's don't start off cold?? And maybe other QB's come through in the final drive. I'm not arguing that River's isn't play well. I'm just arguing that he is definitely struggling to win the game at the end."

As long as only 1 QB is elite under your definition I've got no problem with you saying Rivers isn't elite.


As for the last drive, it was Norv's call to try that 45 yard FG, I'm sure Rivers wouldn't have minded going for it.

The first down play was as clutch a throw as you can get, dropped by Crayton. Second down nobody was open, he had to throw it away since taking a sack would have pushed them well out of FG range. 3rd down he hit the only open man (remember his top 3 recievers aren't playing) who got them in position to pick up a very short 4th down conversion, I think they were 1 and 1 on 4th down this game, but Norv decided to kick the FG.

[Edited on October 27, 2010 at 11:26 AM. Reason : ]

10/27/2010 11:25:43 AM

Move on.

10/27/2010 11:33:00 AM

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"he got three years on the bench to learn and adapt while the team continued to improve without him"

Philip only sat on the bench 2 years retard.

10/27/2010 11:47:02 AM

^Thanks. Glad you could finally get something right.

Currently moved on...

10/27/2010 12:01:20 PM

Phillip is in the third tier of quarterbacks.

Tier 1

Peyton
Brady
Brees

Tier 2

Rodgers
Ryan
Romo

Tier 3

McNabb
Favre
Rivers
Eli
Schaub

10/27/2010 12:07:06 PM

Haha, we all know you're the oldest Rivers' troll. Hopefully no one bites on that bait. But the idiocy already displayed in this thread makes me feel otherwise.

10/27/2010 12:12:27 PM

^^ You are trolling pretty hard.

Obviously Carson Palmer belongs on the list of tier 2 QB's.

10/27/2010 12:17:51 PM

Don't forget about Jason Campbell in Tier 3!

10/27/2010 1:35:02 PM

[quote]Phillip is in the third tier of quarterbacks.

[QUOTE]Tier 1

Peyton
Brady
Brees

Tier 2

Rodgers
Ryan
Romo[/QUOTE]

I'd say it was a stretch calling Romo even a "3rd Tier" QB.

BTW as much as i hate the guy, how can your list neglect Ben Rapelesburger.

10/27/2010 1:52:46 PM

Dude he's just trolling. Nobody would list Romo or Ryan in tier 2.

10/27/2010 2:06:10 PM

I'm also starting to doubt HUR's intelligence.

10/27/2010 2:09:24 PM

starting???

10/27/2010 2:19:24 PM