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10/16/2010 11:28:15 AM

For some reason every few months I forgot how terrible these things are, and how they make me feel crazy, and drink one.

10/16/2010 11:30:35 AM

i suppose i should try this. i will stop by a gas station today to see if they have any.

10/16/2010 11:43:50 AM

i would really like to try this but i have to work tommorow

10/16/2010 12:08:44 PM

stick to the vodka/red bull

10/16/2010 12:11:54 PM

I would like to try this with Jen. Lets make this happen

10/16/2010 12:13:07 PM

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"http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/10/15/ramapo-college-bans-alcoholic-energy-drink/"

Quote :

"It’s very dangerous. Students who consume it become intoxicated very quickly, and we know it’s been banned at other colleges so we didn’t wait around for toxicology reports. We just banned it right away"

lol, pussies.

10/16/2010 1:15:31 PM

Quote :

"DO NOT TRY"

10/16/2010 1:27:45 PM

i saw that the frat-mart has 12 pack "cases" of these in all the flavors for 22 bucks


DANGEROUS!!

10/16/2010 1:34:23 PM

20/20 last night was about this beverage.... which I have never tried.

10/16/2010 1:37:51 PM

oh, I would have liked to have seen that... anyone got it online?

10/16/2010 1:45:18 PM

http://abc.go.com/watch/2020/166626

[Edited on October 16, 2010 at 1:59 PM. Reason : I dunno if they have it but it claims to have full episodes]

10/16/2010 1:57:46 PM

shit, it might have been a nightly news. let me check...

It might have just been nightly news, but I was watching 20/20 last night so i really don't remember. This says 15 hours ago and I'm local to college park so it may have just been the local news. woops.

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=115807&catid=158

10/16/2010 2:04:07 PM

10/16/2010 3:38:58 PM

[Edited on October 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM. Reason : look what i found. haha]

10/16/2010 9:51:04 PM

Quote :

"TURN AND RUN"

10/16/2010 9:53:18 PM

i wish i didn't work weekends, i would try this

10/16/2010 11:54:57 PM

such a bad idea

10/17/2010 12:03:41 AM

I am being completely honest when I suggest you save yourself the head/heart/body ache and avoid the four lokos. They taste like shit, they may get you drunk but you'll feel like ass and you will have a nasty hangover waiting for you. DONT DO IT!

10/17/2010 12:33:19 AM

WE ALL KNEW THE RISKS

10/17/2010 12:42:20 AM

so it looks like next weekend may be time to try

10/17/2010 2:20:57 AM

Red Bull and vodka is the way to go if you want to have that energy drink/alcohol mix, I'm telling you. Four Lokos are cheap, and they'll get you fucked up, but the morning after drinking them I feel like I was out of control the night before, even if I wasn't. They just make me feel really weird in a not so great way.

Unless it's a Sunday, go to the liquor store, buy a $10 5th of vodka, go to the grocery store and buy a 4 pack of energy drink, and get to drinking.

10/17/2010 2:51:03 AM

Had a watermelon one this weekend.

It was awesome.

A+++ would buy again.

10/19/2010 8:45:46 PM

i dont understand the hate
4Lokos for life!

GOTTA BE TUFF.

[Edited on October 19, 2010 at 8:53 PM. Reason : YES to watermelon!]

10/19/2010 8:52:40 PM

I picked up a case of the stuff on sunday night- it was a drunken impulse buy

as soon as I walked downstairs and saw the case sitting on my living room floor, I gave myself one of the biggest carl faces palms ever


DRUNKEN IMPULSE BUYS FTL

10/19/2010 8:54:24 PM

Just host a Four Lokos party!

10/19/2010 10:00:04 PM

For some reason I just bought one of these Maybe second time will be better?

10/22/2010 8:57:30 PM

Quote :

"'Blackout in a can' blamed for student party illnesses (CNN) -- Nine Central Washington University students hospitalized this month after an off-campus party were sickened by "Four Loko," a caffeinated malt liquor also known as "blackout in a can," according to a police investigation. Investigators concluded that none of the students were drugged or given alcohol without their knowledge and no sexual assaults occurred, according to a school statement. The findings convinced university President James Gaudino to ban "alcohol energy drinks" from his campus. (read more)"

10/25/2010 11:41:10 PM

LOL...

Man, I think I may hop on the four loko bus for a while. It can be my pregame drink.

10/25/2010 11:42:39 PM

10/25/2010 11:43:09 PM

I have a watermelon one in my fridge atm, its waiting for the right moment

10/25/2010 11:47:42 PM

LOL^^

We'll see how it goes.

[Edited on October 25, 2010 at 11:48 PM. Reason : f]

10/25/2010 11:48:11 PM

i don't know what this hangover talk is. i've gotten sloppy drinking four loko many a time and never had a hangover.

[Edited on October 26, 2010 at 12:19 AM. Reason : and i get hung over very easily]

10/26/2010 12:19:22 AM

if it weren't for the caffeine I'd be all over that

but I dont mix my uppers and downers

10/26/2010 12:25:30 AM

I really wanna try this.....like REALLY

10/26/2010 12:59:53 AM

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"but I dont mix my uppers and downers"

yeah, this doesn't seem like a good idea

10/26/2010 7:50:14 AM

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/25/1786403/drink-not-drugs-sickened-central.html

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"Police first responded to a report of an unconscious female in a grocery store parking lot and learned about the party from her friends. At the home, officers found a chaotic scene, with students from nearby Central Washington University passed out and so intoxicated that investigators thought they had overdosed on drugs."

So is this shit really that bad or were these a bunch of lightweights?

10/26/2010 8:40:44 AM

^ probably a combination of both...relatively high alcohol content, caffeine, and a flavor akin to fruit punch without much alcohol taste is a recipe for disaster among stupid people

combining uppers and downers is just a dumb idea in general, but i'm not surprised people "enjoy" it

10/26/2010 8:43:58 AM

If you drink more than 2 of these in a few hours you have only yourself to blame. If you are near death after 2 you should probably stop drinking (unless you are under like 130) then you should stop at one probably.

10/26/2010 9:12:40 AM

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"Some students admitted drinking vodka, rum and beer with Four Loko, which is made by Phusion Projects Inc., of Chicago."

oh come on.
You can't drink liquor and then blame 4Loko when you get drunk.

10/26/2010 9:34:28 AM

I can't believe so many places are actually banning these beverages. I mean, it's embarrassing to have our kids running around, drinking like the worst of the winos, but that's no reason to stifle good ol' American business.

^^^Quit acting like you know anything about drugs. Caffeine is barely an upper. When you talk about combining uppers and downers, you ain't talking about caffeine. "Oooo, I drank some coffee before I tied off. I'm combining drugs!"

10/26/2010 12:14:35 PM

I am gonna break into my case this weekend... hopefully I can talk some folks into joining me (it will be our drink for our whitehorse ride to the costume party we are attending)

10/26/2010 12:33:12 PM

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"Quit acting like you know anything about drugs. Caffeine is barely an upper. When you talk about combining uppers and downers, you ain't talking about caffeine."

aww, you're cute...you think you have a clue! feel free to look up any of the complex words and concepts below...i'm betting you'll need to

metabolization of alcohol (a "downer") reduces the liver's ability to distribute glucose to the brain and so it makes you tired...caffeine (an "upper") as a stimulant inhibits the brain's adenosine (a nucleoside that acts as a sedative) receptors

until a certain point, you can quite easily tell that you're drunk by the level of fatigue that you feel as the alcohol takes effect...the caffeine counteracts this and significantly reduces your ability to gauge drunkenness...which in turn can lead to drinking too much ("dude, i don't FEEL drunk!")

i've never looked at a can of four loko, but i'm betting that they don't list how much caffeine is in a can (because they're not required by law to do so)...i'll bet that they've got at least 200mg (and likely closer to 300mg)...200mg (a large cup of coffee) is PLENTY to significantly block neuroreceptors

this is all independent of the fact that mixing them causes an increase in blood pressure and heart rate...oh, and both alcohol and caffeine have significant dehydrating effects

i'm not saying that alcohol or caffeine are bad, nor am i saying that this stuff is "bad," per se...i'm pointing out that mixing uppers and downers is stupid, as a general rule, because it eliminates your ability to judge...obviously enough alcohol will the same thing, but 2 cans of four loko can knock you the fuck out before you even have a chance to realize that you're toast in the first place...it's just a bad idea

of course the kids are responsible for their own actions

[Edited on October 26, 2010 at 1:08 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2010 12:40:38 PM

the Central Washington University event is a freaking media zoo here.

first off it was reported that these students that got hospitalized were young women and were victims of being spiked with date rape drugs.

then it comes out that it was just alcohol. seems Four Loko mixed with vodka and rum.

and these students (about 11 total out of 40-some at a party) got so hammered they had to be hospitalized for acute alcohol poisoning.

most of those hospitalized were young college girls who weren't old enough to legally drink. some had BAC as high as 0.35.

now the witchhunt has turned from would-be date rapers to Four Loko. the Governor and state Attorney General is determined to ban caffeinated alcohol drinks from the state.

10/26/2010 1:53:16 PM

^ yeah, that's all retarded...it comes down to a bunch of stupid kids who should have the stupid slapped out of them

10/26/2010 2:01:10 PM

that's stupid. can they not make redbull and vodkas? it was probably not a good idea to mix a drink that already has 12% alcohol with more alcohol. if anything, it's whoever threw the party's fault, not any drink-maker.

[Edited on October 26, 2010 at 2:07 PM. Reason : ^ exactly.]

10/26/2010 2:06:54 PM

^^^^It should be evident from my post that I get all that.

But your language, "combining uppers and downers," connotes something way more serious than drinking Four Lokos. Like I said, caffeine is barely an upper (it's a very mild stimulant). According to your logic, it's "just a dumb idea in general" to drink Irish coffee and have a piece of chocolate (OMG, it's an upper!) cake after dinner.

And, in some cases, alcohol can also act as a stimulant. So if you were to drink Irish coffee, eat a piece of chocolate cake, and smoke a cigarette afterwards, you could be consuming four sources of stimulants: whiskey, coffee, chocolate, and tobacco. And then if you have a rum and coke after your cigarette, the alcohol may act as a depressant and the caffeine as a stimulant again. So...in two drinks, a piece of cake, and a cigarette, we'd have:

depressants: rum
stimulants: whiskey, chocolate, tobacco, coca-cola, coffee

Can you imagine what would happen if you had a second rum and coke or another Irish coffee after all of those drugs!?!?!? CALL 911--SOMEBODY'S BEEN COMBINING THEIR UPPERS AND DOWNERS!!!! WE SHOULDA LISTENED TO quagmire02!!!

[Edited on October 27, 2010 at 1:31 AM. Reason : ]

10/27/2010 1:22:01 AM

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"It should be evident from my post that I get all that."

exactly the opposite...it's obvious that you don't really understand how alcohol or caffeine works (or, rather, that you have a limited google-search understanding)...see below

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"But your language, "combining uppers and downers," connotes something way more serious than drinking Four Lokos."

not at all...it connotes exactly what it says: "combining uppers and downers is just a dumb idea in general"...maybe if i put it a different way, you'll understand?

IN GENERAL, combining uppers and downers is a dumb idea because it inhibits one's ability to judge their intake more quickly than using one of the same independently of the other

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"Like I said, caffeine is barely an upper (it's a very mild stimulant)."

of course it depends on what you're comparing it to (yeah, it's barely a stimulant compared to crack or meth or coke or ecstasy), but it's not "barely" an upper...a relatively low dose (200mg or what you would find in a large cup of coffee) has a measurable effect (jeebus, how many people "must" have their coffee in the morning?)...which is exactly the reason that they include in these drinks...are you really not getting that?

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"According to your logic, it's "just a dumb idea in general" to drink Irish coffee and have a piece of chocolate (OMG, it's an upper!) cake after dinner."

hence the "in general" qualifier...i figured most people were smart enough to realize that my criticism of the combination of uppers and downers was to be kept in the context of this thread and in regards to significant levels of the relevant compounds (200-300mg of caffeine and 12% ABV), but i forgot that you sometimes post and i sometimes need to dumb it down

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"And, in some cases, alcohol can also act as a stimulant."

this is how i know that your opinion is based on a half-assed understanding of alcohol interaction and not actual education...alcohol is NOT a stimulant in the technical sense of the word and its stimulating effects are extremely limited...the stimulating effects are temporary as they are quickly counteracted

alcohol interacts with the adrenal gland BEFORE being metabolized by the liver...alcohol stimulates the production of adrenaline which in turn actually increases the rate at which alcohol is absorbed (which is why mood can affect the rate of alcohol absorption)...sure, this release of adrenaline causes the liver to release sugar into the bloodstream giving you that initial high, but it is inevitable that once the alcohol is metabolized by the liver that the release of glucose will drop below normal

the increase of glucose in the brain provides the high, but once the glucose is used up and the brain starts to use the sugar in alcohol, the levels of compounds like choline and creatine (among others) are reduced (which in turn leads to loss of motor control and cognitive abilities in general)

this not an opinion, this is fact...alcohol is metabolized fairly evenly across the board and the level of glucose reduction as a result of metabolization by the liver is substantially higher than the level of glucose release as a result of adrenal gland stimulation...in short, it doesn't matter whether you have half a beer or four, the amount of "down" will far outweigh the "high"

let me go ahead and say that yes, alcohol and caffeine affect people differently, but it doesn't change the fact that outside of unique cases, they affect everyone the same (chemically)...feel free to read about it from people smarter than either of us, if you want: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16085426

10/27/2010 8:02:10 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/27/us/27drink.html?_r=1&hp

Times is weighing in as well.

10/27/2010 9:26:20 AM

the whole "these aren't safe!" argument is stupid...it's not UNSAFE unless you're stupid about it...which these kids were...it's another case of blaming the company for misuse of the product

that said, i stand by my assertion that mixing the two compounds is asking for trouble...i generally use my internal "how drunk am i" meter to judge how much i can handle safely and for the most part it works really well...intentionally taking away my ability to interpret my level of impairment is just stupid

10/27/2010 9:32:32 AM