I'm not trolling, but i know it's not happening. I'm just voicing a dream scenario and justifying it to myself. I don't think anyone here actually has any insider information so my nonsensical rambling is as good as anything else that has or will be posted in this thread.

Quote :

"Stevens, who owns two Horizon League Coach of the Year awards, has guided the Bulldogs to 110 wins in his brief career, breaking the previous four-year NCAA Division I record of 107 wins set by Everett Case of North Carolina State from 1947 to 1950. He also holds the NCAA three-year record with 89 victories, and he’s second on the two-year list with 56 wins."

3/11/2011 10:58:21 AM

Stevens is probably waiting on the Indiana job...I recall reading that he has some strong ties to the area.

3/11/2011 11:20:34 AM

Stevens is from Indiana, grew up going to Hoosiers games, and his dad played for the Hoosiers. He has a few ties there.

3/11/2011 11:28:47 AM

Well Rick Barnes is from NC and apparently loves(ed) NC State and we all saw how that worked out.

OK now I'm trolling a little.

[Edited on March 11, 2011 at 11:41 AM. Reason : ]

3/11/2011 11:40:41 AM

And don't say it's because we suck...because Indiana sucks currently. They probably won't in a couple years but that's neither here nor there.

3/11/2011 11:48:45 AM

Indiana has like 6 National Championships, of course, he'd rather wait on that.

We'd be lucky to get Tom Crean after he's let go and after the inevitable Monte Towe era the next 2 years.

3/11/2011 12:11:05 PM

ill be that guy and say that Indiana has 5 titles

and 3 if you disregard everything before the 70s

3/11/2011 12:13:40 PM

we still have 2.

and only 2 final fours since the 1952 one doesn't count since they played with an oval ball back then and you weren't allowed to jump or chest pass.

3/11/2011 12:15:25 PM

i like to disregard everything when there were only white players

3/11/2011 12:17:00 PM

What about the Texas Western title?

3/11/2011 12:25:08 PM

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3/11/2011 1:49:52 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/14797346/nc-state-basketball-finally-has-chance-to-be-great-again

may have missed that posted in another thread... surprised to see Doyel not bagging on us for once.

3/11/2011 1:54:24 PM

3/11/2011 1:54:34 PM

i was tryin to think of who he looked like , thanks for pointing it out and i dunno why i couldnt place it right off the bat

3/11/2011 1:55:15 PM

i would kill a man for sean miller.

3/11/2011 1:56:00 PM

Nice Doyel column

I know this isn't the thread for it, and this point has been beaten to death, but how do people get away with saying stuff like this

Quote :

"Was Herb Sendek the right coach? We don't know, and we'll never find out. "

Ten years!

3/11/2011 1:57:27 PM

i was all like

Quote :

"The ideal coach can win big here, and by big, I mean bigger than Herb Sendek won."

finally!

Quote :

"Maybe as big as Sendek was going to win, had he stayed."

sigh.

3/11/2011 2:00:53 PM

like how the main page's picture for the Doyel article features 2 players that wont be here next

not the article page, but the front of the CBB section

[Edited on March 11, 2011 at 2:23 PM. Reason : ]

3/11/2011 2:23:15 PM

Quote :

" surprised to see Doyel not bagging on us for once"

I don't think we read the same article. That thing was full of backhanded insults. He starts the thing with a caveat that NC State doesn't exist and can't compete with Duke and UNC.

Quote :

" Sendek started slowly but was riding a five-year NCAA streak when he finally got fed up with the unrealistic N.C. State fan base"

It's funny how they always ignore that Sendek's recruiting had basically stalled and the players who were carrying the team had all left. But then, it's Greg Doyle and I should have known not to click the link anyway. I wonder what NC State did to make him so bitter.

3/11/2011 2:36:00 PM

Defenestrate, can you talk about the content of that article a little before I devote 20 mintues to it? ... please. I'm sort of reading it while I eat lunch and type. It looks like he's talking a lot about Herb Sendek (nothing new there) and has some sort of courseware product he/his company made.

Courseware solutions are all over the place. Some are good, some suck donkey balls. Some are prescriptive (automatlicly piece together which objectives the student needs to cover based on a pre-assessment). Some are not and require the student to go through the entire course. Some are meant for review, some are meant for students going through the course for the first time.

The other thing, which he mentions specifically, is that traditional classes have to move on. Time is an issue. Using courseware doesn't change the school calendar. It doesn't change what material needs to be covered within a school year. It'd be great if a student could take as much time as they need to learn material --- some people are faster learners than others. It has nothing to do with HOW MUCH you can learn or your ability to master material, simply how quickly you master the material. --- the problem is that taking as much time as they need isn't practical when you're running a school that is being held accountable based on demonstrated profeciency of very specific objectives. If at the end of the year, you have to know X, Y, and Z... and you've only gotten to Y in the self-paced courseware... what then? Right, the student isn't profecient in Z.

As for the profeiciency stuff he's talking about with specific concepts. A lot of school systems look at that type of data for their specific classrooms (as in like every few days). Most of the school systems in NC have some type of system to look at formative assessments and see where students need reinforcement.

Another problem with courseware is it's ability to teach to a variety of learning styles. It's possible, imo (I've developed online edcuation courses), to teach to different learning styles electronically... but it's very very difficult. Some students learn better through discussion or practice, or reading, etc. Courseware solutions may work extremely well for some students, it may be horrible for others.


Another big thing about using courseware is that a lot of it comes down to student motivation. The students who are motivated enough to sit and go through self-paced courseware usually have no trouble in an instructor led classroom... where they don't need to be in front of a PC (funding required).

I've talked to sales reps about three different courseware solutions over the past few months. They all sound like this guy.. to some extent --- the peer tutoring concept is interesting and one I haven't seen integrated like this before. -- But this guy is selling a product. He's giving us data on his product, like any other sales person... he's bias. I've seen their presentations, their "reports" on performance... and I've seen them in action. Are some of them good... absolutely. But... there are plenty of cons to go along with the pros.

Maybe this one product is the meca of eletronic learning solutions... but I'm skeptical.

Until national standards are in place all around the country, you have to be very careful about which courseware solution you use. One may be aligned with California standards. One may be aligned with NC standards and Florida standarsd because that's where their biggest clients are but not be aligned anywhere else. They may claim to be aligned, but not actually be aligned.

You want the kid to be able to try a concept over and over until they get it, great! --- How deep is you item bank? How many times can they be assessed on that same concept before they see the exact same questions? Maybe the product has 1000's of questions for any one objective. Maybe they have 20.



I've been meaning to come back to your original post about using technology, particularly with modern students.

My initial (and unsubstaniated) thoughts are... I don't think students today LEARN any differently than students from the 60's. I think we are TEACHING differently. Learners from the 60's would have benefited (or suffered) the same way "modern" learners will with those methods.

Technology is great. But you have to use it effectively. We probably all remember when the use of powerpoint got really big in our college classes. Some teachers use it much more effectively than those who used it because it was "the thing to do." We've all had instructors who stand in front of a powerpoint and read it verbatim --- That's shitty teaching. Sitting a kid down in front of a computer isn't enough in and of itself. At least not with any of the products I've seen.

3/11/2011 2:40:02 PM

I can't believe all the idiots who are getting suckered by Doyel. He's just trolling for stupid nc state fans who will agree with his drivel that is really meant to insult us.

3/11/2011 2:41:16 PM

is that a meme i'm not aware of or something

also apparently Boeheim was talking about how the Big East was becoming such a grind and he might be thinking about hanging it up

I say, come down to Raleigh

3/11/2011 2:41:44 PM

I'm trying it out, seeing how it fits. It just got posted in the lounge

message_topic.aspx?topic=609844&page=2#14635562

I mostly like how its all "please give me a run down before I waste 20 minutes on it" followed by a huge epic post that probably ran out of the 10,000 characters before he was finished

3/11/2011 2:43:32 PM

Chris Wright = stalled?

3/11/2011 2:44:39 PM

^^lol

3/11/2011 2:46:06 PM

I must have missed that season Wright played at NCSU or ASU.

3/11/2011 2:46:57 PM

ThePeter's gotta be one of the worst posters.

3/11/2011 2:52:49 PM

I do what I can. Sometimes its a hit, sometimes its a miss.

3/11/2011 2:54:19 PM

Doyle is being serious. That's a legit article, and he's not trolling. If he was he would be talking about our delusional fan base, and not our restructured athletic administration.

3/11/2011 2:54:59 PM

agreed that you could take it as backhanded insults...

but on the surface you could interpret as a legitimate point....

Quote :

"watch out for the N.C. State men's basketball program, because that program is a sleeping giant."

He compliments our new administration as being competant (can't hurt to have that perception out there).

obviously the next coach could swing the momentum of the program significantly. Doyel's probably just setting up his next article, where he bashes our coaching search or the candidate we settle on.

Overall I find it interesting that the media seems to have moved on from the direct State/Sendek bashing... and doesn't seem to fault us for wanting a new coach.

makes me feel slightly more vindicated compared to the last coaching search....

3/11/2011 2:55:21 PM

Why didn't Wright come to state?

3/11/2011 2:56:17 PM

Incompetent AD didn't try and retain recruits when Sendek left.

3/11/2011 3:00:30 PM

This is the best part of the Doyle article.

Quote :

"Yow is not Lee Fowler, which means the media might not have a clue who N.C. State is targeting until it's a done deal."

3/11/2011 3:02:23 PM

Lowe to Georgia Tech

Hewitt to NC State

MIX IT UP

3/11/2011 3:04:12 PM

Quote :

"ThePeter's gotta be one of the worst posters."

In other news, water is wet

3/11/2011 3:06:26 PM

3/11/2011 3:08:05 PM

That Doyel article was pretty good actually... Only 6 NCAA appearances in 20 years is just crazy

3/11/2011 3:17:37 PM

Quote :

"Lowe to Georgia Tech Hewitt to NC State MIX IT UP"

I lol'd

3/11/2011 3:23:06 PM

Quote :

"Why didn't Wright come to state?"

He's a PA native, wife is from Philly (was a cheerleader at Nova), they are already paying him a couple million.
Ahh, you meant Chris Wright... Sendek leaving reopened his recruitment. Not having a coach for several weeks killed us.

[Edited on March 11, 2011 at 3:35 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2011 3:33:49 PM

yeah i know, i was trying to respond to this:

"I must have missed that season Wright played at NCSU or ASU."

I don't think herb was a great coach, but some of the reasons people disparage him are just simply incorrect.

3/11/2011 3:44:37 PM

Since there is only like 1 black coach left in the ACC, will there be pressure to hire another?

3/11/2011 6:08:22 PM

Just get Dereck Whittenburg or Kenny Carr or Jordan Collins. Keep up with this DeMatha tradition.

3/11/2011 6:13:05 PM

Vinny

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The

Black

3/11/2011 6:37:50 PM

I'm pretty sure Doyel is just using this article as a setup to his next one, entitled: "10 Reasons NC State should re-hire Herb Sendek"

3/11/2011 6:47:47 PM

Quote :

"Only 6 NCAA appearances in 20 years is just crazy"

slightly more crazy than tennessee's 8 in teh past 20 years

3/11/2011 8:53:24 PM

I think it's funny how Doyel is a censored word over at PP. That said, I loved his Carolina article last year and calling out Bill "Homer" Leslie.

3/11/2011 10:01:13 PM

I'm not endorsing the source or anything...but these guys think Sean Miller is likely the top target right now. They also admit the WPC/athletic department is being tight lipped as hell though, so you have to question how much inside info their sources have.

http://packinsider.com/2011/03/the-rumor-mill-if-lowe-is-out-who-will-it-be/

[Edited on March 12, 2011 at 12:47 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2011 12:46:50 PM

so basically we should be rooting against Arizona, Texas, Norte Dame and Florida in the NCAA tourney.

3/12/2011 12:55:52 PM

are we more attractive than GT right now?

3/12/2011 1:20:37 PM