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"Now the question you need to ask yourself is... as an atheist (like all communists)... why are you not simply denouncing a shit ideology? Instead you are attacking another religion, that is, by comparison, much more peaceful statistically. "

Is this true? As far as broadly defined terrorism in the last decade it surely is but the most dangerous non war- zone (so throw out Yemen and Donetsk) cities on earth are some in Honduras and other Latin American countries that are majority Catholic. Have been for some time.

6/5/2017 5:56:54 AM

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"The numbers go completely against your bigotry. If anything, the numbers suggest christian nations are the most violent. The top 30 most homicidal nations are all supermajority christian nations. Indonesia is the world's largest muslim nation. It ranks 218th in homicide rate at .5 per 100,000. The US has 8 times more homicide."

That's sort of an apples to oranges comparison. This is religious war/terrorism in the name of Allah, not random murder, rape, robbery types of crimes. That's why it is important to practice isolationism, or at least reduce the number of Muslims entering the US. The Syrians are just going to have to stay in their war torn nation and die.

6/5/2017 8:36:37 AM

They are two different problems with two different reasons/solutions, but it's odd to classify deaths in certain ways like that.

Terrorism in the west disproportionately affects those of affluence which is why people make a bigger deal of it. Society in general doesn't care if a bunch of poor people are getting killed.

^ and this is a far bigger problem in Europe. The US, before Trump, had a ridiculously strong vetting program and took very few actual refugees on a relative basis. You are every bit the caricature of the scared Trump supporter.

[Edited on June 5, 2017 at 9:16 AM. Reason : X]

6/5/2017 9:14:09 AM

^Nah I just don't want all of those Syrians relocated here. We need to quit playing super hero. people in other nations are going to have to take their countries back.

6/5/2017 9:22:37 AM

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"anything, the numbers suggest christian nations are the most violent. The top 30 most homicidal nations are all supermajority christian nations."

Lmao. He moves the goalpoasts from terrorism to homocides, and then acts as if shit hole 3rd world countries having high murder rates is reflective of Western Civilization.

Bruh. You are brainwashed. Islam is a SHIT ideology, get over it.

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"You are every bit the caricature of the scared Trump supporter."

Chalk that one under "you don't agree with me on X, you are a ____phobe".

6/5/2017 10:02:24 AM

on a fundamental level, JCE and Islamist extremists have a pretty common outlook of the world. Good thing a small disagreement over who is the son of God keeps them all separated.

6/5/2017 10:31:22 AM

Leftist Logic Exposed ITT?

*Years of Marxist indoctrination have trained me to hate Western Civilization*

*Christianity = Western = Bad*
*Islam = Anti-Western = Good*

Islamic Terrorists blow up teenage girls at a concert...

INSERT False equivalencies, mental gymnastics.

6/5/2017 10:46:28 AM

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"Chalk that one under "you don't agree with me on X, you are a ____phobe"."

Huh? I called him scared. And he clearly doesn't understand the systemic differences between the US and Europe.

He's worried. It's sad and pathetic.

6/5/2017 11:03:04 AM

Actually that's even better.

Chalk that one under:

"you don't agree with me on X, you are a ____phobe and DUMB".

You leftists really have helped our nations political dialogue with such insightful positions.

6/5/2017 11:07:23 AM

Ignorant to the difference of the UK and mainland Europe versus America. Not dumb.

I mean he might be dumb. I don't know him. But from his recent posts I can certainly conclude he is ignorant. Never said anything about any "phobe" so I guess you're just projecting again.

[Edited on June 5, 2017 at 11:15 AM. Reason : ]

6/5/2017 11:15:12 AM

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""Phobe" - denoting a person having a fear or dislike of what is specified."

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"scared Trump supporter"

6/5/2017 2:00:50 PM

So to summarize

1.

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"notice how what we consider to be the "civilized world" is anywhere where *cough* ISLAM *cough* ISN'T the primary religion..."

"We" as in bigots. That actually is the definition of bigotry.

So to summarize

1. you say places with islam are "statistically" uncivilized
2. when given actual statistics on murder rate, you say you were talking about terrorism as if that makes a difference to the victims.
3. Its hard to see how anyone would consider a place where people run around blowing each other's heads off as "civilized"

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"Non-Muslims make up the majority of terrorists in Europe: There have been over one thousand terrorist attacks in Europe in the past five years. Take a guess at what percent of those terrorists were Muslim. Wrong, now guess again. It’s less than 2%."

6/5/2017 8:11:59 PM

I really hate it when during discussions of terrorism, wild figures get thrown out for the world Muslim population.

The actual figure has been 1.6-1.8 billion for the last several years, but in the past couple of years these are the figures I have heard most often, from both sides:

1 billion
1.2 billion
1.3 billion
2 billion

Seriously, the cumulative frequency of those figures is 75-80%, which means I have heard the correct figure far less often than incorrect ones.

Some people can't even do a 2 second Google search.

6/6/2017 1:00:37 AM

the world's fastest growing major religion has had the same number of people for the past few years with no growth? none of these estimates are going to be precise, and i'm curious as to the accuracy. basically, this seems like a silly point to get mad about

6/6/2017 8:54:41 AM

over a billion

there...now we can move on.

6/6/2017 9:05:03 AM

I don't know why people focus so much on the religion or culture. They are all people. A small percentage of any population will do anything given the right circumstances and social/societal pressures.

All mothers want the same things. All fathers want the same things. All people are the same. Its about healthy societies, healthy family structures, populations free of extreme stress and oppression. You remove these factors all populations behave in healthier ways.

If America was surrounded by countries trying to exert their influence across North America we would have the similar problems. We are isolated, self contained, and have the luxury of starting this country very recently without thousand year old stigmas.

people are people are people

6/6/2017 11:57:24 AM

^Not all cultures are equal. That is the fundamental flaw with the leftist/globalist idea of multi-culturalism. Different countries have different borders and different cultures for a reason. The left is against all of these concepts as part of it's endless assault on America.

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""Non-Muslims make up the majority of terrorists in Europe: There have been over one thousand terrorist attacks in Europe in the past five years. Take a guess at what percent of those terrorists were Muslim. Wrong, now guess again. It’s less than 2%.""

Dare to post whatever leftist propaganda source this made up statistic came from?

6/6/2017 12:49:15 PM

i mean there were people, we were just able to forcibly relocate or kill all of them before it wasn't okay to do that

6/6/2017 12:50:12 PM

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"If America was surrounded by countries trying to exert their influence across North America we would have the similar problems."

We haven't really had an issue with La Raza bombing civilian gatherings or piloting trucks of peace through crowds of people. Even the cartels are smart enough to know not to get American civilians involved in their violence if they want to stay in business.

6/6/2017 1:51:21 PM

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"^Not all cultures are equal. That is the fundamental flaw with the leftist/globalist idea of multi-culturalism. Different countries have different borders and different cultures for a reason. The left is against all of these concepts as part of it's endless assault on America. "

the irony of all this is JCE's and the far rights culture and the culture of these islamic extremists is hilariously similar.

- Strong belief in family unit of a man, wife and kids.
- dislike strong women
- hate gays
- thinks global warming and overall care for the environment is stupid
- thinks their culture is superior
- strong scripture based belief system
- need to destroy those who do not believe what they believe.
- early indoctrination of youth.
- very nationalistic

what other weird shit has JCE said on here?

6/6/2017 6:30:03 PM

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"Dare to post whatever leftist propaganda source this made up statistic came from?"

That's from Europol... of course they are a leftist hack echo-chamber of cheese-eating SJWs!!!

You can find links to Europol's yearly reports here:

https://thinkprogress.org/less-than-2-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-in-the-e-u-are-religiously-motivated-cec7d8ebedf6

There is also this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000.html

HuffPost... OMF the horrors!!!

From their article:

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"1. Non-Muslims make up the majority of terrorists in the United States: According to the FBI, 94% of terrorist attacks carried out in the United States from 1980 to 2005 have been by non-Muslims. This means that an American terrorist suspect is over nine times more likely to be a non-Muslim than a Muslim. According to this same report, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism in the United States than Islamic, yet when was the last time we heard about the threat of Jewish terrorism in the media? https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005 "

6/6/2017 6:41:57 PM

lets be serious. Outside of that Scandinavian shit head what terrorst attscks in Europe recently haven't involved radical Islamic nonesense?

The IRA and ETA are pretty much gone.

[Edited on June 6, 2017 at 6:52 PM. Reason : With loss of life ]

6/6/2017 6:51:40 PM

I mean, I thought as well, but I posted the links for you dude.

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"In 2013, there were 152 terrorist attacks in the EU. Two of them were “religiously motivated.” In 2012, there were 219 terrorist attacks in EU countries, six of them were “religiously motivated.” In 2011, not one of the 174 terrorist attacks in EU countries in 2011 were “affiliated or inspired” by terrorist organizations. 2010, 249 terrorist attacks, three of them were considered by Europol to be “Islamist.” In 2009, of 294 terrorist attacks, only one was related to Islamist militancy"

That's straight from the Europol's mouth, and Europol's reports for those years are linked inside one of my links earlier.

I mean, just like Christian terrorist attacks don't get much air time in the US, neither do they in Europe, and nor do terrorist attacks by separatist groups. Their attacks are small ones which only kill or injure like 2 or 7 people, or none.

Aside from the frequency analysis, they should also do one by number of deaths and injuries. Pretty sure it exists, or anybody can do it themselves easily, assuming Europol's reports contain data on casualties, which they should.

6/6/2017 7:53:46 PM

LOL ThinkProgress and HuffingtonPost... might as well have been a DNC flyer... Fake News

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"what other weird shit has JCE said on here?"

LOL at you creating like 10 straw men. You guys have become unhinged lately with all this fake news working you up. Sad!

6/6/2017 8:51:11 PM

I'm feeling pretty hinged. I just ate a burger.

6/6/2017 8:59:12 PM

^^ no you goddamn illiterate

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"ThinkProgress and HuffingtonPost Europol and FBI"

can you even read?

6/6/2017 9:14:04 PM

There is no actual link to methodology or numbers, just leftist propaganda sites referencing screenshots from a non-existent report.

They obviously did a deliberate sleight of hand when it comes to categorizing "terror attacks"... I'm guessing in typical leftist fashion, they tried to blend it in with homicide data. Which I'm pretty sure the other leftist did in the other thread.

6/7/2017 10:29:45 AM

No you loon, this paragraph which I quoted earlier from the thinkprogress site:

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""In 2013, there were 152 terrorist attacks in the EU. Two of them were “religiously motivated.” In 2012, there were 219 terrorist attacks in EU countries, six of them were “religiously motivated.” In 2011, not one of the 174 terrorist attacks in EU countries in 2011 were “affiliated or inspired” by terrorist organizations. 2010, 249 terrorist attacks, three of them were considered by Europol to be “Islamist.” In 2009, of 294 terrorist attacks, only one was related to Islamist militancy""

contains 4 links to Europol's site, one for each year, to download Europol's PDF report on terrorism trends. Of course, you will have to go to the thinkprogress article first to get access to the links, but that is too much to ask of you because you don't want to infect yourself by clicking on a leftist site.

And the HuffPost article contains a link to the FBI's report on US terror attacks, which I already directly linked earlier.

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"just leftist propaganda sites referencing screenshots from a non-existent report"

Do you want me to hold your hand and teach you how to point and click??? Or are you saying that FBI and Europol are "leftist propaganda sites"?

6/7/2017 10:36:52 AM

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"Or are you saying that FBI and Europol are "leftist propaganda sites"?"

The FBI was rightest during the Clinton investigation and could be trusted. But it's now leftist because it's investigating Trump.

[Edited on June 7, 2017 at 10:39 AM. Reason : a]

6/7/2017 10:38:55 AM

6/7/2017 10:45:32 AM

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"contains 4 links to Europol's site, one for each year, to download Europol's PDF report on terrorism trends."

No it doesn't. Not a single link on the propaganda site to the actual source.

6/7/2017 10:55:00 AM

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"In 2013, there were 152 terrorist attacks in the EU. Two of them were “religiously motivated.” In 2012, there were 219 terrorist attacks in EU countries, six of them were “religiously motivated.” In 2011, not one of the 174 terrorist attacks in EU countries in 2011 were “affiliated or inspired” by terrorist organizations. 2010, 249 terrorist attacks, three of them were considered by Europol to be “Islamist.” In 2009, of 294 terrorist attacks, only one was related to Islamist militancy?—?though Europol added the caveat, “Islamist terrorists still aim to cause mass casualties.”"

There are four underlined words in these paragraphs that link to Europol.

6/7/2017 10:57:01 AM

No they don't. Prove it

6/7/2017 11:01:49 AM

FFS, stop feeding it.

6/7/2017 11:08:13 AM

I'm just trying to avoid clicking ThinkProgress, and forcing you gullible hacks to actually look at your sources to realize they don't prove what your propaganda headline says.

Obviously Europol uses their own definitions of "terrorist act" and "Islamist" to try and muddy the waters.

6/7/2017 11:16:42 AM

what's a good source then?

6/7/2017 11:57:20 AM

I was wrong. There were five links, not four.
https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/te-sat-2014-eu-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report

https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/te-sat-2013-eu-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report

https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/eu-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report-te-sat-2012

https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/te-sat-2011-eu-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report

https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/te-sat-2010-eu-terrorism-situation-trend-report

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"The definition of the term ‘terrorist offences’ is indicated in Article 1 of the Council Framework Decision of 13 June 2002 on combating terrorism (2002/475/JHA),44 which all EU Member States have implemented in their national legislation. This Framework Decision specifies that terrorist offences are intentional acts which, given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or an international organisation when committed with the aim of: ¦¦ seriously intimidating a population, or ¦¦ unduly compelling a government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing an act, or ¦¦ seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation."

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"In cases in which the wording of Article 1 of the Framework Decision leaves room for interpretation, the TE-SAT 2014 respects Member States’ definitions of terrorist offences on their territories. At times, it can be difficult to assess whether a criminal event should be regarded as an act of ‘terrorism’ or as an act of ‘extremism’. Contrary to terrorism, not all forms of extremism sanction the use of violence. Nevertheless, extremism as a phenomenon may be related to terrorism and exhibit similar behavioural patterns. Therefore, the TE-SAT 2014 mentions criminal acts with the potential to seriously destabilise or destroy the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country, when they were reported by the Member States as extremism, in an effort to provide a clearer picture of the phenomenon and its relation to terrorism. However, these cases were not considered in the statistical data of this report, which exclusively reflect incidents reported as terrorism by EU Member States."

[Edited on June 7, 2017 at 12:01 PM. Reason : a]

6/7/2017 11:58:57 AM

you guys are getting trolled hard

6/7/2017 12:01:54 PM

Sometimes it helps pass the time honestly. I have zero work to do today.

6/7/2017 12:02:12 PM

^^^ So they categorize as "extremist" when needed to distort their numbers and downplay Islamic terrorism for the purposes of their agendas.

We have seen how unwilling these EU types are to actually call out Islam, between Sweden not reporting migrant rape, UK's "hate speech" laws and not arresting known terrorists (one of the stabbers was in a documentary on jihadism and on every watch list), Germany having the chief of police in Cologne cover up mass migrant sexual assault... if you don't take this politicized "data" with some skepticism you are being naïve

[Edited on June 7, 2017 at 2:23 PM. Reason : ^^^]

6/7/2017 2:23:25 PM

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"No they don't. Prove it"

=!

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"I'm just trying to avoid clicking ThinkProgress, and forcing you gullible hacks to actually look at your sources to realize they don't prove what your propaganda headline says. Obviously Europol uses their own definitions of "terrorist act" and "Islamist" to try and muddy the waters."

Day and night difference between saying the links are not there, and saying the links don't show what we think they do. Jesus dude, stop fucking contradicting yourself... oh wait, you are a Trumpster, so you have to ape your idol.

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"However, these cases [of extremism] were not considered in the statistical data of this report, which exclusively reflect incidents reported as terrorism by EU Member States.""

Did you even fucking read that?

Jesus man, you need some goddamn literacy and basic internet navigation classes.

6/7/2017 2:42:58 PM

My point was that they are classifying cases as extremism or terrorism based on whatever is politically convenient for their agenda.

Sorry I was replying to someone else so I didn't take the time to dumb it down to Occupy Democrats IQ level.

6/7/2017 5:24:38 PM

Why are you so much more comfortable with being murdered by homicide than "terrorism"

6/7/2017 8:01:18 PM

Most homicides aren't random.

6/8/2017 9:54:03 AM

terrorism isn't random.

Its very calculated.

6/8/2017 11:13:13 AM

Most terrorist victims dont know their attacker. Most murder victims do.

6/8/2017 11:15:34 AM

That is correct

6/8/2017 11:52:13 AM

The number of murder victims who don't know their attacker is much much higher than the number of terrorism victims.

6/8/2017 2:03:33 PM

that's likely correct for the US, but probably not for Iraq and Syria assuming you include terrorist victims that don't die in your count; otherwise it's just a subset of homicide victims. Terrorism doesn't always kill, so you can't just compare it to homicide alone. The Boston bombers only killed 3 people, but hundreds were injured. There are plenty of efugees that are technically victims of terrorism also.

6/8/2017 2:36:00 PM

We're talking about a war now.

It's a war zone.

6/8/2017 2:52:43 PM