^^^^Now, I'm no expert on gun safety....buuuuuutttt..... i'mma go ahead and guess he's breaking all the rules.

8/20/2014 5:18:53 PM

Couldn't the dead guys friend be charged with accessory to robbery based on the video?

8/20/2014 5:23:17 PM

After the white cop goes free just exactly how bad do you want the riots to be?

Charge more people you say?

8/20/2014 5:28:47 PM

In order for him to "go free," he would first need to be detained, which hasn't happened.


He's free right now.

8/20/2014 5:36:22 PM

There is still the prospect of "something" happening to him however.

When that vanishes it's probably not wise to start rounding up the dead guy's friends.

8/20/2014 5:40:05 PM

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"Couldn't the dead guys friend be charged with accessory to robbery based on the video?"

i've seen a bunch of reports last couple days saying that the actual full video shows him paying for the cigars, and that they didn't steal anything.

8/20/2014 5:41:49 PM

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"In order for him to "go free," he would first need to be detained, which hasn't happened."

He should move to Belgium immediately.

8/20/2014 5:45:37 PM

What do you think the ratio of media to protester down there?

8/20/2014 5:47:38 PM

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" :There is still the prospect of "something" happening to him however"

Based on what? He killed someone ten days ago. He's yet to be charged with anything. There's more than enough to arrest him. He could still be given due process and found not guilty in the court of law. But there's more than enough to arrest him.

8/20/2014 5:55:47 PM

Is there? On what evidence?

8/20/2014 5:57:07 PM

multiple eyewitnesses

8/20/2014 5:59:51 PM

There are plenty of witness statements, some back up the what the officer supposedly said he did, others that don't back up what the officer said (many of which are not supported by the autopsy)

Just because you have witness reports, doesn't mean you have enough to charge. You have enough for an investigation, tell the cop not to go anywhere (person of interest) and maybe enough to bring to the grand jury, but to arrest the guy? Nope.

Isn't the cop basically in protective custody now anyways?

And as far as eyewitness, you don't know shit what's going on the investigation. You have what people are telling the media and news, you don't know what they're telling the cops.



[Edited on August 20, 2014 at 6:04 PM. Reason : a]

8/20/2014 6:02:42 PM

^agreed

There's more than enough for people to demand a fair investigation rather than having this swept under the rug like it otherwise would have, but not enough to charge.

The only "verified" info we have, to my knowledge is:
- Brown was unarmed
- He was hit with 6 bullets, most from the front
- Brown was at some point several dozen feet away from Wilson
- Police overreacted to the initial vigils

Speculations:
- Wilson suffered an orbital fracture
- Wilson possibly had some other injuries
- Brown had his hands up
- Wilson may or may not have known Brown was implicated in an alleged robbery (police have waffled on this)
- Brown was rushing towards Wison before he was shot at

I don't know if it has been confirmed that it was Brown in the recording of the theft and assault from the store

[Edited on August 20, 2014 at 6:09 PM. Reason : ]

8/20/2014 6:04:39 PM

can you name one thing that this police department has done that gives you confidence about their ability to conduct a thorough, non-biased investigation?

an arrest would end protests immediately

[Edited on August 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2014 6:04:53 PM

i thought anytime someone was shot and killed the shooter had to be arrested. i thought that before trayvon.

8/20/2014 6:07:31 PM

^^agree on both your points.

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"i've seen a bunch of reports last couple days saying that the actual full video shows him paying for the cigars, and that they didn't steal anything."

I haven't seen that, but I haven't been following as closely the last couple days. But if that's true, the police department looks even more fucked up than before. They can't quit fucking up.

8/20/2014 6:16:18 PM

According to aljazeera English, prosecutors have claimed they have enough to charge. Whether or not they have enough to convict is another discussion all together. But they claim to have enough to charge.

He killed someone. We have a body, we know the shooter and the weapon. I'm sure that's enough to charge. Whether or not it was justified is different discussion.

8/20/2014 6:16:34 PM

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" A St. Ann, Missouri, police officer is suspended after pointing an assault rifle at a protester in Ferguson, St. Louis County police say. "

Breaking news according to cnn. Wonder if it's the cop from the previous video.

Also, faux news is reporting Darren Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket before shooting Michael? Can't find a story though.

8/20/2014 6:17:46 PM

Look at that upstanding peace officer threatening peoples' lives while pointing a rifle at them because they're following him with cameras. What a model officer you are, Sgt. Gofuckyourself. Die in a fire.

8/20/2014 6:22:58 PM

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"I haven't seen that, but I haven't been following as closely the last couple days. But if that's true, the police department looks even more fucked up than before. They can't quit fucking up."

I can't find that video atm, but I watched it earlier today and all it seems to show is Brown leaning over the counter a bunch...

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"Also, faux news is reporting Darren Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket before shooting Michael? Can't find a story though."

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" a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com."

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"said the insider"

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"According to the well-placed source,"

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"The source also said the dashboard and body cameras, which might have recorded crucial evidence, had been ordered by Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, but had only recently arrived and had not yet been deployed."

What kind of cop car doesn't have dash cams? Can't we make that a fucking federal law or some shit?



[Edited on August 20, 2014 at 6:43 PM. Reason : ]

8/20/2014 6:37:06 PM

Why did the gas station employee follow him out if he paid and nothing happened?

8/20/2014 6:40:07 PM

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"A St. Ann, Missouri, police officer is suspended after pointing an assault rifle at a protester in Ferguson, St. Louis County police say. " Breaking news according to cnn. Wonder if it's the cop from the previous video. "

So the cop that pointed his gun at protesters and said "I'm gonna fucking kill you" only got suspended? How is that not grounds for automatic termination?


[Edited on August 20, 2014 at 6:46 PM. Reason : Well, I guess it could've been a different officer.]

8/20/2014 6:45:57 PM

Yeah who the fuck knows. There's been a shitload of assault rifles pointed at people accompanied by similar threats there lately.

There was one captured by a reporter (gun pointed at him for turning a light on i guess) and the cops supervising officer comes and gives his name (not the officers), so I'd suspect that's the case in question...but who the hell knows.

8/20/2014 6:50:38 PM

what a fun coincidence that the day the feds show up is the same day that "inside sources" leak info about the condition of the cop

also a fun coincidence that the info was leaked to Fox News

pretty weird that it took 10 days for that "info" to come out

8/20/2014 6:54:25 PM

A cop told a protester and her son to "get a job" when in reality she was a financial consultant that likely made more than the officer. Just shows how damaging the stereotypes cops have of the people affect the way they treat them.

Also, fivethirtyeight is reporting that the alleged 400 people shot by cops last year is underreported because there's no requirement to report these deaths to the UCR, and the fact that it's up to agencies to submit these reports likely means this number is lower than the reality.

^ right-wing blogs have been reporting on "sources" for a while, i think Fox is the main ones willing to run with it at this point in time.

[Edited on August 20, 2014 at 6:56 PM. Reason : ]

8/20/2014 6:55:55 PM

right wing blogs aren't as reputable as Fox News

as awful as they can be, there is still a protocol that they have to follow that blogs don't

8/20/2014 7:01:14 PM

bullshit, show me FoxNews issuing a retraction

8/20/2014 7:03:44 PM

my point is that blogs can throw all the shit against the wall to see if it'll stick they want and still cite "sources" even if they don't exist

I'm sure Fox News' "source" really is an inside source and more than likely is complete bullshit, but it's more legitimate than some conspiracy theorist behind a keyboard

it's all about narrative-shifting and the way the police department is going about it

8/20/2014 7:08:11 PM

I don't recall Fox "retracting" their info convincing people that the pre-election polls were skewed, nor did they ever retract all their ridiculously contrived reporting on Benghazi after the congressional panel reported it was not a real issue. Fox News is pretty much the worst when it comes to correcting the misinformation they manufacture.

8/20/2014 7:08:24 PM

Ray Albers is the go fuck yourself cop

8/20/2014 7:30:00 PM

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"an arrest would end protests immediately"

An arrest would end protests yes, but in the event that he was found not guilty, would it make things worse? Rather than he not ever get charged? I don't know.

8/20/2014 7:58:25 PM

"let's not do the thing that we know for sure will end the protesting in fear of what could happen if another thing happens"

how does that make any sense?

8/20/2014 8:02:03 PM

an arrest isn't going to end protests if riot police stay there presenting themselves as targets

8/20/2014 8:03:13 PM

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"An arrest would end protests yes, but in the event that he was found not guilty, would it make things worse? Rather than he not ever get charged? I don't know. "

I keep seeing people saying this, but there's no real evidence these people are just looking for a reason to cause trouble.

When Zimmerman was acquitted, there was no real violent fallout, and Zimmerman eventually got what was coming to him. People were contented that he faced a jury, even though they disagreed with the verdict.

The people who say these types of things, I suspect, are older people who grew up with Rodney King and OJ Simpson. Times have changed. If due process is merely followed, this tends to satisfy people.

Right-wing media likes to paint these people as violent thugs who just hate whitey and are looking for the thinnest excuse to break things. This is not now, nor has it ever been the case.

8/20/2014 8:04:11 PM

it's the same line of thinking that has people conflating the terms "protestors" and "rioters"

8/20/2014 8:08:02 PM

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10100693122294611&id=45000595

8/20/2014 8:49:03 PM

Thunderstorms are moving through. Not sure what will happen after that.

Does anyone know who has the photographer on the crane way up in the air? Is it police or media?

8/20/2014 8:50:02 PM

why stop at just arresting the officer to appease an angry mob when we could just go ahead and lynch him while we're at it.

8/20/2014 8:56:03 PM

They could try real reform throughout the criminal justice system, but scapegoating 1 cop is a lot easier.

however, something tells me that won't really work in this case. A lot of the message has been about general treatment of the community by long-corrupt and prejudiced police. AG Holder is certainly not simply looking for a scapegoating of wilson.

It's hard to say what the outcome will be. Most likely, once he's cleared or prosecuted, this will just fade away. Quite possibly, it'll result in using police cameras and stopping transfer of military equipment to the police.

8/20/2014 9:00:30 PM

^^ Yes, what a fine idea.



[Edited on August 20, 2014 at 9:01 PM. Reason : ^^]

8/20/2014 9:00:58 PM

doesn't do much good to stop the transferring of military equipment after every department in America is stocked up. They still have the ability to buy stuff the public at large can't buy, which flies in the face of the purpose of the second amendment.

8/20/2014 9:03:23 PM

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" And get Social Justice Points on Facebook for their efforts."

Yes, they drove out there just for Facebook cred.

8/20/2014 9:20:47 PM

I don't quite understand the deal with the suppression of the media

8/20/2014 10:38:53 PM

8/20/2014 10:47:11 PM

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"EXT. HENRY'S DRIVEWAY - NIGHT WE SEE HENRY and JUDY get into his car. As they start to move out of the driveway, HENRY notices that there is a traffic jam in front of his property. PEOPLE are walking around with flashlights. It looks like an accident. Suddenly, a MAN in windbreaker appears at HENRY'S window and jams a gun against HENRY's head. MAN One move, motherfucker, and I'll blow you away. HENRY (V.O.) For a second I thought I was dead, but when I heard all the noise, I knew they were cops, only cops talk that way. If they had been wiseguys, I wouldn't have heard a thing. I would have been dead. "

8/20/2014 10:57:02 PM

I didn't want to get blood on your floor

8/20/2014 11:01:29 PM

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"I don't quite understand the deal with the suppression of the media "

The anger and contempt the cops have for all involved, even after this new supposed leadership of the police, is really startling.

I still don't fully understand the legal basis of their suppression actions, which is really terrifying. Seems like anywhere cops have even the tiniest reason to bring out the big guns, they'll use this for broad abuses of human rights with seemingly total impunity.

I get crowd control, wanting to keep people off streets, but it seems to go way beyond that.

8/20/2014 11:07:55 PM

They are now arresting anyone with any sort of mask or teargas protection.

The Vice kid pussied out and went back to New York. Mustafa is still doing his thing but they've not allowed him to get close enough to film anything lately. And, of course, the russians are still doing more to protect U.S. liberties than any American

Mustafa's Livestream
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

Russian Livestream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58eILPc8lDQ

Police Radio
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner

[Edited on August 20, 2014 at 11:20 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2014 11:14:22 PM

Fuck this thread I'm out. I'll just read about this on wikipedia in 2 years

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

8/20/2014 11:49:11 PM

Seems like people are just milling around now... like a modern-day sit-in.

8/21/2014 12:16:33 AM