describing someone by vp$ip/pfr is pretty standard

4/17/2007 7:52:17 PM

Says who?

4/17/2007 8:01:17 PM

everyone on the internet

4/17/2007 8:03:57 PM

Bah! Only professional poker players such as Noid may make such comments towards me. Don't you have better things to do, like driving around Jersey trying to pick up chicks?

4/17/2007 8:28:34 PM

hahaha

i dont troll in jersey

4/17/2007 8:41:47 PM

I should hope not. Where do you troll, Philly?

4/17/2007 8:54:46 PM

yeah

wilmington is small, and ive burned a ton of bridges already =]

4/17/2007 8:56:38 PM

[Edited on April 17, 2007 at 9:00 PM. Reason : yo]

4/17/2007 8:59:51 PM

Ever get a 3am philly cheese at Pat's?

4/17/2007 9:06:01 PM

yeah

if you're back up here

you gotta hit monks

4/17/2007 9:09:40 PM

royal++

4/17/2007 9:24:17 PM

monks? Never heard of it. No way it is better than Pat's or Jim's. Has rita's waterice opened yet?

4/17/2007 9:34:12 PM

monks is just a bar

4/17/2007 10:16:16 PM

what city do you live in again?

[Edited on April 17, 2007 at 10:31 PM. Reason : ]

4/17/2007 10:28:46 PM

north wilmington, de

4/17/2007 10:33:25 PM

Cool, I've got some family in Philly, Richboro, and Featerville

4/17/2007 10:40:38 PM

Quote :

" Most sites count 100% of all bonuses you earn against your MGR(so they pay you less rakeback), but UB only counts 25% of it."

justin

can you explain this again

i made 1k points this week, and am going to cash in for $50, but how will that effect my like $250 in MGR accumulated this month

4/18/2007 12:20:31 AM

Hey David, I had a quick question about your vgr $nv ratio between AC and NC. Does it lean more towards hhs or lms? PM me the in#o, but make sure it's not &p!!

4/18/2007 2:52:19 AM

ooo oo ooo i got one

FYI, IIRC PT's BB/100 was coded for LHE not NLHE, so the BB/100 displayed actually means Big Bets, not big blinds, so the true bb/100 is infact 2x your pt bb/100 so you could use ptBB/100 to imply

4/18/2007 8:17:58 AM

late for work

thanks online poker

4/18/2007 8:57:10 AM

^^ Good point, I've often wondered whether people are using the NL fix when they claim 5+ bb/100. I don't use it, my 4 bb/100 that I claim is actually 8 for all intensive purposes like determining my hourly rate.

4/18/2007 3:46:19 PM

starting a game w/ work buddies should be interesting

4/18/2007 4:12:24 PM

Checking for value:



Hand #40567696-77552 at Juneau (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 18/Apr/07 19:20:39

J Five is at seat 0 with $98.75.
BringurAgame is at seat 1 with $200.
P0NYB0Y is at seat 2 with $431.95.
privells17 is at seat 3 with $542.75.
_-Legend-_ is at seat 4 with $41.65.
Wisclax is at seat 5 with $411.65.
The button is at seat 3.

_-Legend-_ posts the small blind of $1.
Wisclax posts the big blind of $2.

J Five: -- --
P0NYB0Y: -- --
privells17: Ks Kh
_-Legend-_: -- --
Wisclax: -- --

Pre-flop:

J Five folds. P0NYB0Y folds. privells17 raises to
$7. _-Legend-_ folds. Wisclax re-raises to $22.
privells17 re-raises to $67. Wisclax calls.

Flop (board: 4s 5d 8h):

Wisclax checks. privells17 bets $95. Wisclax calls.


Turn (board: 4s 5d 8h 3c):

Wisclax checks. privells17 checks.





Villain is a laggy(25/17) regular(possibly a fellow pro), we have a history. In fact this hand took place earlier in the session: http://www.pokerhand.org/?1012958

He had ~$250 in front of him and the pot was $325 on the turn. Who can tell me what I mean by "checking for value"?





[Edited on April 18, 2007 at 9:52 PM. Reason : .]

4/18/2007 9:51:05 PM

Perhaps checking to show weakness, represent overcards.

I am kind of assuming you think he has something between 99 and QQ, and you want him to think you whiffed.

I could be wrong....

4/18/2007 11:35:58 PM

Quote :

"Villain is a laggy(25/17)"

???

4/19/2007 12:29:06 AM

Loose aggressive. 25% vpip, 17% pfr.

4/19/2007 12:56:34 AM

You're fucked. He's got 67 sooooooted and he's playing you like a fiddle.

4/19/2007 12:57:54 AM

I said he was a regular, possibly a fellow pro. I'm not really worried about 76s given the $67 it cost him to see that flop.

4/19/2007 1:03:44 AM

I know, I'm just funning around.

4/19/2007 1:07:43 AM

i think that you're checking to control the pot.

you're both rather deep, and pot control is a major issue.

if he has you beat, you bet the turn again, and he RR all in, you are forced to call, often way behind.

also, your check induces any overpair to the board here to make a sizeable bet on the river that you can call off, and be well ahead of betting range.

[Edited on April 19, 2007 at 6:57 AM. Reason : e]

4/19/2007 6:57:04 AM

also

since he is 25/17, and knows your play

he knows you are capable of even 3 betting here with something like KQ aor QTsuited

that induces even more of a chance of a "steal" with AK, AQ, AJ something of the like

4/19/2007 7:52:27 AM

Okay, my standard play in this hand would have been to shove the turn. Betting any less is illogical and frankly it looks a little stronger than a shove. The problem is, I don't think he's calling a shove with any worse hands. Even though he stacked off in a 175BB pot earlier with jacks, that doesn't mean he will do so in a 420BB pot.

By checking, I'm selling him on AK. He knows I cold called his last 3-bet with a big pair(also KK), and he also knows that AK is a likely holding whenever someone 4-bets. I'm not checking for pot control, I'm checking to get value on the river from hands that wouldn't have called a push on the turn.

I don't really consider it a slow play, I'm playing one pair in a huge pot, not a lock hand by any means. I'm just trying to sell him on AK. It's a good time to do this, because 95% of the time one of us has 2 outs. It could very well be me, but if he AA or a set he's just gonna call a turn push so I'm not losing anything by checking.

The value I'm gaining is whatever amount of his stack I can get him to put in on the river that he wouldn't have put in on the turn, minus the 5% equity of a $820 pot(I'm resigned to calling a shove on the river whether he improves or not) that I'm giving him with his free shot at a 2 outer. There is more value in this check than betting the turn.

Most situations aren't this cut and dry, but 4 betting preflop really narrows down both players ranges and I was willing to make this check. If we were both sitting with one buy-in I would be getting it in on the flop or turn every time with KK, the fact that we were deepstacked is what made things more complicated.

4/19/2007 4:37:01 PM

guess i got a little bit right

nh sir?

4/19/2007 4:43:23 PM

Yeah you and feeble were both on the right track. What I really wanted to get into was the quantitative value in checking. Most situations aren't so cut and dry where you can do that, as in you don't know exactly how much equity you're losing by giving a free card.

4/19/2007 4:48:42 PM

Assuming he does put you on AK

What does he likely do on the river if he holds the following hands:


4-4?

8-8?

A-A?

Q-Q?


Also you said you'd call any bet... what about a small bet... do you raise or just call?

And if he checks to you on the river.... You push and represent AK right?

4/19/2007 5:57:36 PM

I'd just call if he did less than push. I could see him check-calling with 99-QQ, but he's definately going to lead with a set or AA and he might just lead with 99-QQ too, I'm not 100% sure.


And yeah, pushing the river would best represent an AK if he checked to me. Betting $150 is a decent idea just to make sure he's gonna be priced in, but I think a push is prolly better.



[Edited on April 19, 2007 at 6:07 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2007 6:05:16 PM

Well I figured he'd lead with a set or AA, but I was curious if you think he'd try to "price you in" or if he'd push with those holdings.

If he really believes you hold AK... wouldn't he be more inclined to check to induce a river bluff from you?

I guess I'm asking if he bets, what do you think his likely holdings are... and is the size of his bet relevant?



[Edited on April 19, 2007 at 6:32 PM. Reason : a]

4/19/2007 6:16:11 PM

Not sure.



I may as well go ahead and post the river action, I'm starting to give away info on it with my answers.

The river was an Ace and my plan was foiled. Check Check, KK > 99 for a nice pot.

Any river other than an Ace or King and I think I get some value from my check. He INSTANTLY checked when the Ace fell and I sensed disgust on his part, I'm pretty sure he thought I just sucked out with AK. Hoping I have AK is the only reason to call that flop bet, and I think I sold him on that with my turn check. It was just an unfortunate river.

4/19/2007 6:30:10 PM

So whats this shit with ePassporte putting a holding charge on your check card for the amount you deposit. I deposited $350 and one posted, and one is left pending and I called them today and they said it should reverse by the end of today....3 days later. Why the fuck they gotta charge my ass twice? I know I get it back and all, but I don't have access to that money in the mean time.

4/19/2007 8:54:04 PM

back from NY....thanks to ben, justin, and karim, i now play and raise with tons of crappy hands...

PokerStars Game #9535155889: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/04/21 - 13:19:38 (ET)
Table 'Mirphak' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: The Hish 24 ($65.60 in chips)
Seat 2: Wii_fund ($22.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Carlito0010 ($24.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Rosha ($32 in chips)
Seat 5: MittStikk ($75.25 in chips)
Seat 6: laborit ($144.45 in chips)
MittStikk: posts small blind $0.25
laborit: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Hish 24 [9c 7c]
The Hish 24: raises $1.50 to $2
Wii_fund: folds
Carlito0010: calls $2
Rosha: folds
MittStikk: calls $1.75
laborit: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [8c 5h 6s]
MittStikk: checks
laborit: checks
The Hish 24: bets $3
Carlito0010: folds
MittStikk: folds
laborit: calls $3
*** TURN *** [8c 5h 6s] [4d]
laborit: checks
The Hish 24: bets $4
laborit: raises $8 to $12
The Hish 24: raises $8 to $20
laborit: raises $119.45 to $139.45 and is all-in
The Hish 24: calls $40.60 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [8c 5h 6s 4d] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
laborit: shows [As 7s] (a straight, Four to Eight)
The Hish 24: shows [9c 7c] (a straight, Five to Nine)
The Hish 24 collected $132.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $135.20 | Rake $3
Board [8c 5h 6s 4d 3s]
Seat 1: The Hish 24 showed [9c 7c] and won ($132.20) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 2: Wii_fund folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Carlito0010 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Rosha (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MittStikk (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: laborit (big blind) showed [As 7s] and lost with a straight, Four to Eight

4/21/2007 1:22:21 PM

i am the greatest...

PokerStars Game #9536453514: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/04/21 - 14:55:00 (ET)
Table 'Thetis III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ethidium1 ($112.90 in chips)
Seat 2: spider8sin ($76.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Like_corona ($51.75 in chips)
Seat 4: paulinio ($15 in chips)
Seat 5: IkeDbla ($66.15 in chips)
Seat 6: The Hish 24 ($78.30 in chips)
spider8sin: posts small blind $0.25
Like_corona: posts big blind $0.50
paulinio: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Hish 24 [Ad Ac]
paulinio: checks
IkeDbla: folds
The Hish 24: raises $1.50 to $2
ethidium1: folds
spider8sin: calls $1.75
Like_corona: folds
paulinio: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [7h 2h 3d]
spider8sin: checks
paulinio: checks
The Hish 24: bets $5
spider8sin: raises $5 to $10
paulinio: calls $10
The Hish 24: raises $10 to $20
spider8sin: raises $54.55 to $74.55 and is all-in
paulinio: calls $3 and is all-in
The Hish 24: folds
*** TURN *** [7h 2h 3d] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [7h 2h 3d Js] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
spider8sin: shows [7s 7d] (a full house, Sevens full of Jacks)
spider8sin collected $13.30 from side pot
paulinio: mucks hand
spider8sin collected $43.25 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $59.50 Main pot $43.25. Side pot $13.30. | Rake $2.95
Board [7h 2h 3d Js Jc]
Seat 1: ethidium1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: spider8sin (small blind) showed [7s 7d] and won ($56.55) with a full house, Sevens full of Jacks
Seat 3: Like_corona (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: paulinio mucked [4c 3h]
Seat 5: IkeDbla folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: The Hish 24 folded on the Flop

4/21/2007 2:57:49 PM

Quote :

"laborit: raises $119.45 to $139.45 and is all-in"

The n00bs still make this play with one cards straights? Damn I need to get back to playing online.

4/21/2007 4:44:58 PM

lol, that is nothing.. look at what these two noobtards did against me at 1/2 earlier this week



Hand #40567666-97000 at Bellville (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 20/Apr/07 01:19:08

Red Hawg is at seat 1 with $48.40.
ACEJC111 is at seat 2 with $93.90.
privells17 is at seat 3 with $266.25.
Ace-Train is at seat 4 with $102.25.
daluchy is at seat 5 with $218.05.
The button is at seat 2.

privells17 posts the small blind of $1.
Ace-Train posts the big blind of $2.

Red Hawg: -- --
ACEJC111: -- --
privells17: Qc Qd
Ace-Train: -- --
daluchy: -- --

Pre-flop:

daluchy raises to $7. Red Hawg calls. ACEJC111
calls. privells17 re-raises to $35. Ace-Train
folds. daluchy calls. Red Hawg calls. ACEJC111
calls.

Flop (board: 9h Jc 3s):

privells17 bets $97. daluchy folds. Red Hawg goes
all-in for $13.40. ACEJC111 goes all-in for $58.90.
privells17 is returned $38.10 (uncalled).

Turn (board: 9h Jc 3s 8d):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 9h Jc 3s 8d 2c):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

privells17 shows Qc Qd.
privells17 has Qc Qd 9h Jc 8d: a pair of queens.
Red Hawg shows 5s As.
Red Hawg has 5s As 9h Jc 8d: ace high.
ACEJC111 shows 3h 7h.
ACEJC111 has 3h 9h Jc 3s 8d: a pair of threes.


Hand #40567666-97000 Summary:

$2 is raked from a total pot of $273.20.
$2 is raked from the main pot of $182.20.
$0 is raked from side pot #1 of $91.
privells17 wins the main pot $180.20 with a pair of queens.
privells17 wins the side pot $91 with a pair of queens.
----------------------------------------------------------------





Both of them: It was sooooted



[Edited on April 21, 2007 at 6:19 PM. Reason : .]

4/21/2007 6:18:02 PM

Niceeeeeeee

4/21/2007 7:00:06 PM

River (board: Ks Kc As 5h 7d):

punko shows Qh Kh Kd Ah.
punko has Kh Kd Ks Kc As: four kings (high).
punko has no qualifying low hand.
CWiggum shows 2c 4d 3s 3c.
CWiggum has 3s 3c Ks Kc As: two pair, kings and threes (high).
CWiggum has 2c 3s 5h As 7d: 7 5 3 2 A (low).
The Gooooch shows 8s Ad Ac 7s.
The Gooooch has Ad Ac Ks Kc As: full house, aces full of kings (high).
The Gooooch has no qualifying low hand.




WEEEEEEEEEEEE

4/21/2007 7:41:47 PM

n1. I coolered the hell outta somebody yesterday:




Hand #40567693-83227 at Gillette (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 21/Apr/07 00:47:16

BringurAgame is at seat 0 with $104.85.
DD666 is at seat 1 with $405.90.
frostysnuggle is at seat 2 with $220.
SicklyTired is at seat 3 with $241.25.
Ace-Train is at seat 4 with $71.65.
privells17 is at seat 5 with $200.
The button is at seat 3.

Ace-Train posts the small blind of $1.
privells17 posts the big blind of $2.

BringurAgame: -- --
DD666: -- --
frostysnuggle: -- --
SicklyTired: -- --
Ace-Train: -- --
privells17: 9c Qc

Pre-flop:

BringurAgame calls. DD666 folds. frostysnuggle
folds. SicklyTired folds. Ace-Train calls.
privells17 checks.

Flop (board: Kd Kc Jc):

Ace-Train checks. privells17 bets $4. BringurAgame
folds. Ace-Train calls.

Turn (board: Kd Kc Jc Tc):

Ace-Train checks. privells17 bets $9. Ace-Train
calls.

River (board: Kd Kc Jc Tc Td):

Ace-Train checks. privells17 bets $20. Ace-Train
goes all-in for $56.65. privells17 calls.



Showdown:

Ace-Train shows Ks 6d.
Ace-Train has Ks Kd Kc Tc Td: full house, kings full of tens.
privells17 shows 9c Qc.
privells17 has 9c Qc Kc Jc Tc: straight flush, king high.


Hand #40567693-83227 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $145.30.
privells17 wins $142.30 with straight flush, king high.
----------------------------------------------------------------



That was by far the most I've ever made out a straight flush.

4/21/2007 7:58:39 PM

God I hate MTT's. $50+5 with a 26k prize pool - 58 left, 54 get paid.



PokerStars Game #9540944523: Tournament #47726468, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (800/1600) - 2007/04/21 - 20:02:57 (ET)
Table '47726468 18' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: mrlimp (19271 in chips)
Seat 2: bloFISHmee (58497 in chips)
Seat 3: gambler2k4 (13514 in chips)
Seat 4: superseba (12537 in chips)
Seat 6: noidroid (22769 in chips)
Seat 7: champepa (15949 in chips)
Seat 8: Deltoid1 (62308 in chips)
Seat 9: fratzner (38365 in chips)
mrlimp: posts the ante 75
bloFISHmee: posts the ante 75
gambler2k4: posts the ante 75
superseba: posts the ante 75
noidroid: posts the ante 75
champepa: posts the ante 75
Deltoid1: posts the ante 75
fratzner: posts the ante 75
noidroid: posts small blind 800
champepa: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to noidroid [Jc Js]
Deltoid1: folds
fratzner: folds
mrlimp: folds
bloFISHmee: raises 3200 to 4800
gambler2k4: folds
superseba: folds
noidroid: raises 17894 to 22694 and is all-in
champepa: folds
bloFISHmee: calls 17894
*** FLOP *** [8h Ah 9h]
*** TURN *** [8h Ah 9h] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [8h Ah 9h Qc] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
noidroid: shows [Jc Js] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
bloFISHmee: shows [2s As] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
bloFISHmee collected 47588 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 47588 | Rake 0
Board [8h Ah 9h Qc 9c]
Seat 1: mrlimp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bloFISHmee showed [2s As] and won (47588) with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 3: gambler2k4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: superseba (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: noidroid (small blind) showed [Jc Js] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 7: champepa (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Deltoid1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: fratzner folded before Flop (didn't bet)




The most appauling part was how INSTANT his call was. Like he couldn't be happier to put 40% of his stack in this spot. Would have been 11th in chips if I won.

LOL, DONKAMENTS



[Edited on April 21, 2007 at 8:17 PM. Reason : .]

4/21/2007 8:11:55 PM

^what a douche

on a lighter note, I just won $120

4/21/2007 8:26:42 PM

I won a $100 tournament entry chip at UB just in case I want to spend another afternoon playing MTT's and hating poker.

4/21/2007 8:31:22 PM

i hate poker so goddamned much

ahahahahah

4/21/2007 8:54:12 PM