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wdprice3
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wow. huge fail.

8/24/2010 10:43:07 PM

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Is driving a motorcycle on a track called "dragging a knee"? As in "hey, lets go drag a knee this weekend"?

8/25/2010 12:20:26 AM

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"Although for the price, beats those stupid camera rigs for the same price that are clunky as hell and requires a third hand to operate."


Having an assistant camera operate focus is pretty much a given on any real film set regardless of the rig.

8/25/2010 8:42:12 AM

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motorcycles are about as boring as Nascar. ride a real bike.

So you're saying I should wait and not get the D90? Because sensor technology has come a long way in 2 years? That's what I was thinking. I have no objection to trying out Canon but I've always been a Nikon fan and have access to Nikon lenses from a variety of sources.

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"first off, AF for video is horrible since it uses the same AF contrast software system that P&S uses so it's very slow, scans slowly and just garbage all away around. It's a worthless feature, you are better off hand focusing and try to keep the subject in the plane of sharp focus yourself."


I think that's why the new Nikon 3100 and 7000 are called, "the first true DSLR's with video" because they offer big leaps in the autofocus department. I'll wait for reviews though.

8/25/2010 9:04:43 AM

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"So you're saying I should wait and not get the D90? Because sensor technology has come a long way in 2 years? That's what I was thinking."

i think he's saying that yes, the sensor in the D7000 is superior to the sensor in the D90...but that 16MP is still kinda high...i think his point is that 12MP on an improved sensor is preferable to 16MP on the same improved sensor

what you should take from this, regardless of MP count, is that the sensor in the D7000 SHOULD be superior

how superior is the question, though...it very likely isn't superior enough to warrant a 33% increase in MP

[Edited on August 25, 2010 at 9:29 AM. Reason : .]

8/25/2010 9:29:05 AM

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"Is driving a motorcycle on a track called "dragging a knee"? As in "hey, lets go drag a knee this weekend"?"

Dragging a knee is just a means to know that you are leaning the bike over pretty far. If you have your body position correct and leaning very far, it lets you know how much further you have left till you low side and wreck. You don't have to drag a knee to lean the bike over as far or further than I did at the oak tree (I was actually keeping it pretty easy where the pics show me touching), it's just that most of the time your body and knee position ends up making you drag your knee.

As for the sensor, I think you have to keep an open mind instead of judging a 16mp sensor before it comes out to being shitty because of the high pixel count compared to a two year old 12mp sensor. Everyone was on the same notion about the 50D compared to the 40D with a jump from 10 to 15, but the 50D image quality at high iso was comparable, if not slightly better than the 40D.

8/25/2010 12:02:17 PM

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"I think you have to keep an open mind instead of judging a 16mp sensor before it comes out to being shitty because of the high pixel count compared to a two year old 12mp sensor."

i don't think anyone said it was going to be shitty...i, for one, said it was LIKELY that it won't necessarily warrant a 33% increase

it's possible it's crazy awesome, too

8/25/2010 12:18:37 PM

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It would be nice if either canon or nikon can make a nice 8mp full frame body for less than 1k with video. plz....

That way I can strap as many as I can fit on my bike or gunship... lol

8/25/2010 12:25:53 PM

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sometimes i wonder how much is "can't" and how much is "won't"

but then everyone always wants better, faster, and cheaper, so...

8/25/2010 12:45:46 PM

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How much better is the D90/D300s sensor (I think they're the same) at high ISO than the 10mp CCD sensor on the d3000? I've been very disappointed about the image quality...even at 400 on the D3000. If you need 800 for an action shot its not even worth taking it, even with the cs5 noise reduction and right now I cant afford a longer lens with a bigger aperture.

8/25/2010 1:33:28 PM

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200mm
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1/250

hand held...

8/25/2010 6:07:34 PM

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hand holding a 200mm with 1/250 isn't impressive, come back to me when you can do it at 1/25 while eating a burrito, been up for two day's and had 8 cups of coffee...

8/25/2010 7:32:11 PM

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i wonder if the guy in the background realizes the helicopter is BEHIND HIM

8/25/2010 7:47:57 PM

JBaz
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what are you retarded?

8/25/2010 8:10:53 PM

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"hand holding a 200mm with 1/250 isn't impressive"

8/26/2010 1:40:12 AM

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wasn't trying to impress... It was a little difficult for me to get a non-blurry one, but shit man I'm an amature.

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"i wonder if the guy in the background realizes the helicopter is BEHIND HIM"


I think he was trying to take picture of the chinook that was in front of this helicopter...

[Edited on August 26, 2010 at 9:04 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2010 9:02:43 PM

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^ what, you didnt go to school for photography only to waste your entire eduction by leaving the profession?

8/26/2010 9:23:05 PM

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$15.49 and free shipping for the Canon 1:1 EF 24-105mm f/4L coffee mug

http://www.focalprice.com/detail_HJ824B.html

8/27/2010 1:12:29 PM

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"^ what, you didnt go to school for photography only to waste your entire eduction by leaving the profession?"


Haha no! But I can tell some of the other critics in here have...

I picked it up to give me something to do here in Alabama when I'm not trying to keep the greasey side down.

8/27/2010 6:27:34 PM

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8/28/2010 1:48:38 PM

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"what, you didnt go to school for photography only to waste your entire eduction by leaving the profession?"

Not entirely leaving the profession, if you read the other thread. I'm looking to do PR/marketing with the Marines when I go in.

8/28/2010 6:07:24 PM

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I was out testing out my waterproof housing this morning at C-Street.











http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevin-kingston/sets/72157624709246035/with/4938615788/

[Edited on August 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM. Reason : no url]

8/29/2010 1:50:43 PM

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very cool, now you just need to get closer and figure out how to control exposure with one button. :p

I like the first series of shots, looks like he's surfing on top of buildings.

8/30/2010 8:13:18 AM

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Tiger Swallowtails

8/30/2010 4:43:22 PM

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I've got plans to put more holes in it so I can have access to some of the buttons on the back.


The big thing I need to work on is tightening all the screws so it doesn't get water in it. Currently the camera is drying and hopefully will come back to life. I left one of the screws slightly loose when I went out in the afternoon and there was slight water intrusion.

8/30/2010 7:05:27 PM

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What? no kiwi crop?

Sorry to hear about the little water mishap, hope it comes to life too. Good thing its not to expensive, I've seen D40 bodies around 200ish. Shit a friend picked up an old xti with kit lens for 125, had a minor scratch on the rear lcd that was so minor that I told him that he would be stupid to not take it.

8/31/2010 11:16:07 AM

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Well after 2 days sitting in dry rice it still won't turn on. If you know of any one selling a D40 body let me know, I'd gladly buy it.

I managed to find a full dissemblely and reassembly manual online so I might try that. As far as I can tell it is a brick now anyway.

I just wish I managed to tighten everything up. The case would have worked then

8/31/2010 9:32:23 PM

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just be glad it's not expensive. If I had my 5D rigged to my motorcycle when I was on the race track last weekend, that would have really sucked since I wrecked. hehe

I basically got back to the garage and the first thing that came out of my mouth was "good thing I didn't rig the camera to the back again".

9/1/2010 2:46:17 AM

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yeah but it's only a 5D. It's alright to strap mid-range cameras to fast moving vehicles.
D7000 needs to get announced all ready so I don't half ass it and get a D3100.

9/1/2010 9:02:28 AM

JBaz
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It's still worth more than what I paid for the motorcycle... lol

9/1/2010 12:06:31 PM

neodata686
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nice.

9/1/2010 12:11:04 PM

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^^^Why don't you not half ass it right now and get a D90 or a D300 since the 7000 sounds like it will be something in between those. They're not the same class IMO/IIRC.

[Edited on September 1, 2010 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ]

9/1/2010 1:45:55 PM

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^you joking? The d90 and the D300 are 2+ years old and outdated. ISO and especially the video are going to be much better on the D3100 and D7000. I can't justify spending this much money on old technology.

9/1/2010 2:30:39 PM

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the 5DmkII is almost 2 years old, it's still badass... Shit my 30D is what 5 years old now? it still works great and takes awesome pics. Used it once in the past 2 years when I went to deals gap since I wanted something small to use as a happy snap since I don't have a real happy snap.

9/1/2010 3:19:41 PM

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Yeah but I'm a gadget guy and I always get the latest and greatest. If you compare 2+ year old DSLRs to current ones in terms of ISO range it's crazy. Not to mention video capabilities.

Like the D300/D90 has what? 6400 expanded ISO? The much cheaper D3100 is going to have 12,800+ as well as the D7000.

9/1/2010 3:27:39 PM

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my 5DmkII is still king.

And I have no knowledge bout anything Nikon anymore... So my lack of argument sucks.

9/1/2010 3:34:27 PM

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"my 5DmkII is still king."


Ok for comparison your 5D gets 6400 ISO at best. I've been casually shooting with a DS3 that gets 12,800 standard and 102,400 ISO expanded (Hi3). Took some shots at a conference backstage where you could barely see peoples faces and shooting at Hi1-Hi3 gave amazing results with barely any noise. Looked like they were taken in full stage light.

The 5DmkII would spit out something looking like a starry sky with maybe outlines of people at the same shutter speed. Nikon brings low light photography to a whole new level.

So no compared to even some of the newer cheaper DSLR's in many regards your 5D is not king anymore especially shooting in low light and shooting video. DSLR's make huge leaps in only a couple years.

[Edited on September 1, 2010 at 3:52 PM. Reason : s]

9/1/2010 3:45:13 PM

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Cool story.

9/1/2010 3:58:23 PM

JBaz
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My AE-1 is still king.

9/1/2010 4:26:24 PM

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Did a 70 mile hike in Glacier last week got a few good shots.








Got lucky and caught a storm forming right at sunset over Fifty Mtn; produced some of the best light I have ever seen.

9/1/2010 5:32:24 PM

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what is that shot with?

9/1/2010 5:34:22 PM

JBaz
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I like your panos, but wished they were wider field of view to show more of the area.

9/1/2010 5:38:30 PM

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Two of the shots are panos stitched with photoshop. All were shot with a d300 and 18-200mm

^Jbaz I shot them all hand held at 18mm. I thought the same thing when I stitched them together. Could I do a two level pano (lack of better word)?

[Edited on September 1, 2010 at 5:43 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on September 1, 2010 at 5:50 PM. Reason : .]

9/1/2010 5:38:50 PM

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if you do pano stiches, it's a good idea to shoot vertically so you can capture more height to retain more land and sky. Once you start getting into crazy pano's of more than 5 pics or so, just to correct the perspective, you end up loosing image height really fast, unless you shot in rows.

9/1/2010 5:44:19 PM

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^ Yea shot vertically, may try rows next time but Im not sure if I can do it handheld.

9/1/2010 5:47:55 PM

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"Ok for comparison your 5D gets 6400 ISO at best. I've been casually shooting with a DS3 that gets 12,800 standard and 102,400 ISO expanded (Hi3). Took some shots at a conference backstage where you could barely see peoples faces and shooting at Hi1-Hi3 gave amazing results with barely any noise. Looked like they were taken in full stage light.

The 5DmkII would spit out something looking like a starry sky with maybe outlines of people at the same shutter speed. Nikon brings low light photography to a whole new level.

So no compared to even some of the newer cheaper DSLR's in many regards your 5D is not king anymore especially shooting in low light and shooting video. DSLR's make huge leaps in only a couple years. "


how much experience do you have with a 5DMkII?

9/1/2010 5:54:21 PM

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Didn't you hear, that's Canon just used the advanced "Van Gogh" noise reduction filter for their H1 and H2 settings.

Btw, I rarely ever go above ISO3200, maybe 6400 a few times, but most stuff I shoot will be with flash so mostly shoot in the ISO50-400 range. Ambient mostly around the 100-1600 range. If I need more light then what the night is giving me, I'll bring a tripod. I don't shoot night stuff or paparazzi stuff either.

[Edited on September 1, 2010 at 6:21 PM. Reason : ]

9/1/2010 6:19:09 PM

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^yeah I figured. It all comes down to what you shoot.

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I've used one a few times. One of my good friends uses one quite a bit and he has a thing for shooting at concerts/bars with it in Charlotte. I probably only get access to the DS3 once a week but in regard to ISO range it pretty much demolishes the 5DmkII and in my experience is a couple stops above the Canon 1DmkIV (only used a couple times). That's pretty easy to tell here:

http://www.prophotohome.com/news/2010/01/23/high-iso-comparison-canon-1d-mark-iv-nikon-d3s-canon-7d-nikon-d300s/

That's the first review that came up on Google. I'm sure there's better ones. That's only at 12,800 standard. If you compared the DS3 at extended Hi3 102,400 ISO to other cameras it just kills them straight out.

Obviously they get a little noisy at that range but just being able to get an image when it's close to pitch black out is amazing. Most reviewers have said it's "night vision".



An alright example. 700mm ƒ5.6 1/1600sec | ISO 102400

Now when you can shoot at 1/1600th with a 700mm in almost pitch black and get waves at a beach with anything else than get back to me. That's before a CS5 noise reduction I think. (found that online).

Just in my experience it's pretty amazing. Of course i've always been a low light guy and I don't like using a flash unlike JBaz so to each his own.

9/1/2010 7:14:36 PM

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Show us some of your night vision photos where you required ISO 85,000

9/1/2010 7:23:28 PM

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I've shot tons of nightlife stuff and honestly never went past 1000 iso ever... Drag your shutter to get ambient with a flash and your golden. Personally I can't shoot without a flash because it gives me so much more control then what I have to muster with ambient. Shit, I've been happy with shooting with my 30D back in the day and still got clean pictures. Besides, for most club/bars/concert pics, 99% of the time you pics will be downsized for web use so no matter how nice or clean the pics are at 100%, web size will never show it.

Honestly, that photo above could have been accomplished with a much slower shutter speed like 1/250 or even 1/125, shit maybe slower if the bird doesn't move a lot and you and keep the supertele still. High ISO is nothing more than bragging rights, sure it's neat, but I'd say 90% of photographers are never going to use that feature more than a few times.

When the D3 first came out and was shooting NHL, some dumbass photographer for a local paper up in philly saw one of the getty shooters had it and was like "you should only be shooting at ISO 6400" disregarding the fact the shooter used strobes and shot at ISO 100 at the arena... If you get the shot, it doesn't matter how you shot it or created it.

[Edited on September 1, 2010 at 8:17 PM. Reason : ]

9/1/2010 8:17:04 PM

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