No, I just didn't get payed off. If I got offered that kinda cash I'd say deleting evidence after a subpoena was okay too.

11/2/2016 12:50:30 AM

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"What part about "deleted emails under subpoena" do you not understand??"

I think we do understand, and for the most part, don't give a shit. It's not like Trump hasn't deleted emails or otherwise obscured evidence in his myriad of lawsuits. Bush's administration 'lost' millions. This is American politics, where everyone at the top is a shady little shitbag. Unfortunately for the citizens, it's up to us to pick the most palatable shitbag to 'lead' us for 4 years.

Seriously dude, find a fucking hobby or find a dude/chick and lay some pipe. You come off as frothing at the mouth insane.

11/2/2016 7:37:06 AM

Cares about law and order = frothing at the mouth insane

That's a new one, good to know

11/3/2016 3:10:27 PM

He doesn't know what he's doing according to Trump.

[Edited on November 3, 2016 at 3:19 PM. Reason : He's a negative force.]

[Edited on November 3, 2016 at 3:20 PM. Reason : And a communist brainwashed by Mao]

11/3/2016 3:18:41 PM

Middle class incomes had their fastest growth on record last year
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/13/the-middle-class-and-the-poor-just-had-the-best-year-since-the-end-of-the-great-recession/

U.S. Economy Roars Back, Grew 2.9% in Third Quarter 2016
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-economy-grew-2-9-in-third-quarter-1477657992

U.S. Wages Rising At The Fastest Pace In Years Amid Solid Hiring
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/04/500660432/u-s-wages-rising-at-the-fastest-pace-in-years-amid-solid-hiring

11/4/2016 1:27:52 PM

Came here to post that. Props.

11/4/2016 2:55:10 PM

I may have said it before but it should be an impeachable offense that he hired a complete and utter moron to be the head of the DIA..

11/7/2016 8:56:28 AM

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"I think we do understand, and for the most part, don't give a shit. "

its basically this, or we think its criminal but don't give a shit because there is a real danger of donald trump being elected president.

11/7/2016 9:12:28 AM

not rising enough to keep up woth inflation and obamacare

11/7/2016 9:34:19 AM

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""Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are certifiable traitors to our country," says @ricksantorum, ratcheting it up a bit."

Didn't the GOP lose its shit when a country band talked shit about W? How is this kind of talk deemed acceptable across the entire party now?

Say he sucks. Say his policy fucked up the country. Say you hate him. Don't accuse him of being a traitor with zero evidence. Fuck 2016.

11/7/2016 10:10:57 AM

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"Cares about law and order = frothing at the mouth insane"

Cares about law and order...dismisses a dozen women alleging sexual assault.

11/7/2016 10:27:59 AM

^^That's what I've been saying all along, but I've only been called a hack for it.

Don't think I've ever referred to Obama as a traitor. He wants this country to be great too. His great is just a lot different than my great.

11/7/2016 10:37:07 AM

Honestly I think you get beat up far too much on here for having reasonable disagreements with Obama and Democratic policy.

I rarely agree with you but I also don't think you have any bad intentions whatsoever. It's a bit sad that the tendency on here and really everywhere is to lump in reasonable people with... well, the deplorable people.

11/7/2016 10:46:08 AM

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"That's what I've been saying all along, but I've only been called a hack for it."

What have you been saying all along again?

11/7/2016 11:03:20 AM

the Dixie Chicks thing is one of the most ridiculous things ever

here's what got them blacklisted:

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"We don't want this war, this violence, and we're ashamed that the President of the United States (George W. Bush) is from Texas"

anyways

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"He wants this country to be great too. His great is just a lot different than my great."

how, though?

[Edited on November 7, 2016 at 11:14 AM. Reason : .]

11/7/2016 11:05:24 AM

can we at least get a baseline of when you thought it was great at some point in the past?

11/7/2016 11:37:05 AM

I'll admit where my beliefs are unreasonable, and that mostly centers around the whole trans thing - my mind may be made up on that one, I'm pretty intransigent.

But most other things, 10 years ago I was very right of center, and I've moved closer to moderate. I've never liked Obama's views, not because he is black but I still hear that argument so much it makes me sick. As a matter of fact, when I was supporting McCain, and then Romney, all my Democratic co-workers could ever tell me was that I didn't like him because he was black. No. That has nothing to do with it. I don't agree his ideals.

I didn't want the Bush bailouts of '08. What did Obama do? More of the same. I don't know if I've ever seen a more pro-banking administration. Which makes sense now after the latest Wikileaks.

I was afraid that the promises made during the sell of the ACA wouldn't work out - I feel like I've been mostly vindicated on that part. Yes, there are many more Americans that have healthcare, but at what cost? We might as well have put the Constitution through a paper shredder for that one. Americans being forced to buy something from privately held companies??? And then have the nerve to call it a tax? Thanks Roberts! I'm glad that pre-existing conditions are covered, and I'm glad that the unfortunate have a better option for healthcare, but it is emptying out my wallet and the wallets of many other middle class families.

I was unsure of his foreign policy, and looking back, it hasn't had a great track record.


But look - I was too young to care about politics during Clinton v1.0, and I was too involved in coursework and weekends to really get involved during the early Bush years, so really, as a close study, Obama is the only president I've paid much attention too.

If Clinton wins, I'm sure I'll be critical of many things, but I'm going to try to keep an open mind. If Trump wins, well, I guess I'll just have to start digging that fallout shelter.

11/7/2016 12:02:05 PM

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" didn't want the Bush bailouts of '08. What did Obama do? More of the same. I don't know if I've ever seen a more pro-banking administration. Which makes sense now after the latest Wikileaks. "

I asked these questions in another thread and the only answer I got was "He didn't throw a bunch of people in jail.". So I'll ask again: What specifically has Barack Obama done to help bankers and if he was so friendly to them, why did the financial sector overwhelmingly support Mitt Romney with their donations in 2012?

[Edited on November 7, 2016 at 12:08 PM. Reason : .]

11/7/2016 12:07:18 PM

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"Yes, there are many more Americans that have healthcare, but at what cost?"

and therein lies the great divide. those who believe in self over selflessness.

11/7/2016 1:09:29 PM

There's selflessness, and then there's having to pay an extra $1000 for premiums, plus larger deductibles.

Have you ever lost an extra 1k/month? That hurts. That's some big charity right there. So don't call me selfish and twist my words.

11/7/2016 1:13:21 PM

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"More of the same. I don't know if I've ever seen a more pro-banking administration."

when did you start looking?

11/7/2016 1:14:09 PM

lets not forget that having health insurance does not = having access to healthcare

ACA helped some people but was it good for the long term or a waste of time and a setback from universal healthcare?

11/7/2016 1:18:57 PM

Let's not forget that - and I'll specifically work with NC here as it is what I know- that the state refused to even think about using a state marketplace.

Now I'm not saying that we would have better rates - we very well might be right where we are now - but by relying on state policies only, we have opened the door to having less options to begin with. Kind of a no-brainer that over a few years we would lose the smaller companies due to being bought out or not being profitable.

Overall - the ACA absolutely needs to be tweaked, if someone actually floats a better possible option (repeal does not count as what we had was antiquated and even more of a quagmire) then I'm all for it as well - but I have yet to see anyone actually produce another option.

[Edited on November 7, 2016 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on November 7, 2016 at 2:49 PM. Reason : proof read!]

11/7/2016 2:30:40 PM

^Now competition is good?

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" those who believe in self over selflessness."

You have to be shitting me. Legally requiring people to buy a service they would otherwise not buy is your definition of selflessness?

[Edited on November 7, 2016 at 2:36 PM. Reason : ACA actually takes away our liberties]

[Edited on November 7, 2016 at 2:37 PM. Reason : 2]

[Edited on November 7, 2016 at 2:40 PM. Reason : 3]

11/7/2016 2:36:38 PM

^the military. police. fire departments. libraries. universities. should we just let people choose a la carte what social services they want to pay for and not pay for? i'm sure there are some quakers who would like to not pay taxes that get spent on the military. or folks with no need for book learnin who don't want to pay for federal research grants. or are those not a removal of liberty (lol)?

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"Have you ever lost an extra 1k/month?"

i don't want to sound like a dick, but i find it hard to believe your premiums went up by over $12,000 a year.

[Edited on November 7, 2016 at 2:42 PM. Reason : .]

11/7/2016 2:40:51 PM

No, mine went up 4800, but the folks that had the better plan, theirs increased about 500/pay period, which is 24 installments. I had to choose a cheaper plan with a higher deductible to come that close to what I was paying.

But hey, I was supposed to save 2500, remember? And don't give me that crap about "well, it woulda went up more..." He was very specific. He didn't tell me that I would save 2500 vs the annual increases we're seeing..." He said I'd save 2500. And now my insurance is increasing nearly half that.

11/7/2016 3:03:46 PM

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"and therein lies the great divide. those who believe in self over selflessness. "

What a load of dogshit.

And this same kind of smug morale posturing with other people's tax dollars is exactly why we are $20 trillion in debt. Pretty selfish to leave our grandkids buried in debt? But hey at least the liberals got to pat themselves on the back and feel better about themselves.

11/7/2016 4:38:16 PM

What are your thoughts on every leading economist out there saying that Trump's policies will add far more to the deficit and the national debt than any other candidate this cycle? It seems like it's an important topic to you.

11/7/2016 4:42:22 PM

^^what are your thoughts on defense spending?

11/7/2016 4:43:02 PM

What does defense spending, or Trump's economic plan, have to do with the unconstitutional ACA forcing people to pay for something they don't want?

11/7/2016 5:40:44 PM

^because i don't want to pay for these wars.

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" If Trump wins, well, I guess I'll just have to start digging that fallout shelter."

Why are so many people confused about which president wants to start a war with russia and which president wants peace with russia. Its crazy.

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"I asked these questions in another thread and the only answer I got was "He didn't throw a bunch of people in jail.". So I'll ask again: What specifically has Barack Obama done to help bankers and if he was so friendly to them, why did the financial sector overwhelmingly support Mitt Romney with their donations in 2012?"

You answered the question already. Letting the industry get away with destroying the economy is enough evidence. With all of the crimes committed, most of them were paid off in fines. I think one person went to jail. Its absurd and still happening this year. Obama's DOJ has zero credibility. Holder was a lawyer for the banks before being appointed for heavens sake. WAKE UP.

11/7/2016 6:31:33 PM

You just don't like Obama because he's black and you're a racist

11/7/2016 7:16:08 PM

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"Overall - the ACA absolutely needs to be tweaked, if someone actually floats a better possible option (repeal does not count as what we had was antiquated and even more of a quagmire) then I'm all for it as well - but I have yet to see anyone actually produce another option."

medicare for all...

11/7/2016 9:13:56 PM

obama also needed to take emergency action on water crises throughout the country. his doj needed to at least try to take action on criminal activity in flint. no sense of urgency when it comes to poor people's drinking water but he was like OMG WE HAVE TO SAVE THE CAR COMPANIES AND BANKS ASAP OR ELSE.

11/8/2016 12:53:06 AM

^^ Fair point - though in the current climate not a possibility either. I do think it will absolutely be an option in the future but it will most likely be a progression as opposed to a sweeping change - hence the tweaking to the ACA first.

I wouldn't at all be upset if I were wrong on that last bit though.

11/8/2016 8:53:40 AM

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"What does defense spending...have to do with the unconstitutional ACA forcing people to pay for something they don't want?"

lol you have got willful ignorance down pat

11/8/2016 11:19:20 AM

No matter who's the next president, Obama is nearly OUT now. Hopefully America's nightmare will be over soon.

11/8/2016 11:32:51 AM

^lol

http://prospect.org/article/obamas-plan-destroy-america-has-failed-miserably

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"Barack Obama will be president for only two more months, and any judgment of his presidency will have to account for all he failed to accomplish. Consider this partial list of things Obama was supposed to do but never did: Destroy America's image and influence in the world Dismantle our military Send us into a Greece-like debt spiral that would crash the economy Institute a government takeover of all health care Kill elderly and disabled people who had become a drain on the system Transition the U.S. to communism Outlaw Christianity Reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine then use it as a tool to silence conservative media Force gas prices up to $8 or $10 a gallon to make driving impossible Open the borders to a flood of undocumented immigrants Confiscate Americans' guns Throw dissenters into concentration camps Force whites to pay reparations to blacks in order to wreak vengeance for the sins of the past Declare martial law and cancel the 2016 election so he could stay in office"

11/8/2016 11:35:00 AM

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"Declare martial law and cancel the 2016 election so he could stay in office"

There is still time!!!

11/8/2016 11:37:35 AM

im down if yall are

11/8/2016 11:40:29 AM

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"Transition the U.S. to communism"

Particularly true. He himself is a communist and a Maoist.

11/8/2016 11:42:52 AM

right shoot, right.

11/8/2016 11:54:19 AM

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"lol you have got willful ignorance down pat"

Says the guy that has to change the subject to deflect criticism of another failed liberal policy.

11/8/2016 12:50:55 PM

whatever you need to tell yourself to have to not answer questions on whether it's a removal of our liberties to be forced to pay for any government institution we don't like, such as the military.

should bible thumpers be able to veto funds going to genetics labs? should atheists be able to veto funds going to schools with seminary programs?

nah. only obummercare is the anti-constitutional government program, right?

IBT Neuse dropping a load of libertarian bullshit ITT

11/8/2016 12:53:51 PM

obamacare doesn't even work though. obamacare is to welfare what the iraq war is to global security.

11/8/2016 1:51:48 PM

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"Particularly true. He himself is a communist and a Maoist."

Actually the problem is that he wasn't enough of one.

11/8/2016 1:53:52 PM

^^ Obamacare is his biggest achievement indeed. He changes lives of millions of people. He thought he was like the creator, the God, but American people don't feel in that way. This is very similar to what Mao did during his era.

[Edited on November 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM. Reason : grammar]

[Edited on November 8, 2016 at 3:28 PM. Reason : ^ Oh, yeah. He's half-half, still white dignity inside.]

11/8/2016 3:15:51 PM

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"whatever you need to tell yourself to have to not answer questions on whether it's a removal of our liberties to be forced to pay for any government institution we don't like, such as the military. should bible thumpers be able to veto funds going to genetics labs? should atheists be able to veto funds going to schools with seminary programs? nah. only obummercare is the anti-constitutional government program, right?"

Interesting. The constitution explains war, the state constitutions cover public education?

Where does the constitution say the government can force people to purchase a product they don't want or need, at increasingly stupid prices?

Oh wait, you're a leftist and you probably interpret "welfare in general" as "turn America into a dependent socialist hell hole".

11/8/2016 3:49:52 PM

^so, you voting Trump or what?

11/8/2016 4:19:26 PM

where does the constitution say the government can force people to pay for the munitions for the USS Zumwalt guns, which cost $800K a pop (easily something the public doesn't need or want)? or is that not a stupid price?

oh you must be one of those people who interprets "provide for the common defense" as "give a blank check to the government to waste hundreds of billions in an un-audited defense spending"

[Edited on November 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2016 4:23:21 PM