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"@anchormanaustin I know very well so that's why I said it...in due time the truth shall be free!!!!"

7/22/2011 1:37:26 PM

Someone with an Inside Carolina account needs to post that SI article on there.



[Edited on July 22, 2011 at 1:55 PM. Reason : -]

7/22/2011 1:54:42 PM

Article from previous page. It is 2004, but still relevant

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"Former Browns player: 'Guys just didn't trust him, point blank' Updated: Tuesday November 30, 2004 5:11PM Butch Davis compiled a 24-36 record in nearly four years as Browns coach. AP It's a fact of modern day NFL life: Players don't have to like their head coach to play hard for him. But they do have to trust him, and they have to unabashedly buy into his program. Those things never happened for Butch Davis in Cleveland. Not during his honeymoon first season as the team's coach, in 2001. Not in his lone playoff season of 2002. And certainly not in his final, abbreviated 2004 season, which ended when he and the Browns agreed to part ways on Tuesday. When the postmortems are all in, and the dissection of Davis' disappointing 24-36 four-year record in Cleveland is complete, the predominant theme will be one of trust. Simply put, Davis had a credibility problem in his own locker room that he could never overcome. Too many of his players had long since stopped believing that his word was good, and even began having doubts about his competence for the job. That's a deadly combination for any head coach, since motivation is such a large part of the job description. "Guys just didn't trust him, point blank,'' one Browns player told me Tuesday morning, just hours after Davis' departure became official. "With any coach, you have to buy into what the guy's selling. You have to believe in him, no matter what. That's essential. And we never bought into Butch. I never saw any trust coming from the players, because we knew he was full of [crap]. Guys had just tuned him out a long time ago.'' Whenever a head coach loses his job, there are always recriminations and some revisionist history written about what he didn't do well enough. In the end, he didn't win enough football games, and nothing else really matters. But Davis' deteriorating relationship with his players helped to create a backdrop that made winning even more of a challenge than it already is in the NFL. As far back as midseason of 2002, when the Browns squeaked into the AFC playoffs as a 9-7 wild-card entry, I recall a Browns veteran telling me that many players questioned Davis' honesty and felt he did not always deal with them fairly. "You can tell he's lying, because his lips are moving,'' said the player, who is no longer with Cleveland. "That's how guys feel about him. You can't trust what he says.'' The atmosphere Davis created within the Browns team complex had a touch of the Nixon White House. Sources within the Cleveland organization have long told stories of being wary of Davis and his autocratic ways, and some suspected Davis spies were sprinkled here and there. The longer Davis was around , the more power he consolidated into a tight little circle around him -- which mainly consisted of him and his right-hand man, V.P. of player personnel Pete Garcia. "We had to basically watch what we said,'' said a current Browns player. "He had the place filled with his people. Anything you said got back to him. And he has his favorites in the locker room. There are a couple guys who shouldn't be on the team at this point, given their lack of production.'' In time, many Browns players even came to question Davis's credentials, believing his head coaching reputation had well out-distanced his performance. Their thinking? Davis made his name in NFL circles after serving as an assistant on Jimmy Johnson's great staff in Dallas, which became a breeding ground for mediocre head coaches (Dave Wannstedt, Norv Turner, Dave Campo and Davis), and then jumped to the University of Miami -- where the talent is abundant and recruiting isn't all that tough -- to serve as head coach. In fairness to Davis, he was the Miami head coach who restored the Hurricanes program to greatness after the NCAA had slapped UM with probation and a significant loss of scholarships. Davis went 51-20 with the Hurricanes from 1995-2000, going 4-0 in bowl games and finishing No. 2 overall in the nation in 2000. But despite those glitzy accomplishments, many Browns players quite some time ago had begun to view Davis as the man behind the green curtain, not quite measuring up to the great and powerful Oz they had heard about. When that kind of sentiment takes hold in a locker room, you might as well get the resume in order and start picking out a tie for your final press conference. "When I first saw the [stuff] we ran in practice, it seemed like he was in over his head,'' said a Browns player. "He knows what he's doing on defense. He'll probably be a good NFL defensive coordinator some day. But I don't think he'll be a head coach again in this league. I don't know if he gets it to that level.'' Browns players were especially befuddled -- as were Cleveland fans and the media for that matter -- when Davis somehow earned himself a two-year contract extension this offseason, no mean feat coming off a desultory 5-11 record in 2003. Inside the team complex, there were whispers this summer that Davis had gone to team owner Randy Lerner and threatened to take a college coaching job if he didn't receive an extension past 2005. While a source in Davis' camp refutes the notion that the head coach sought a contract extension in the first place, the rumors of Davis' supposed power play fed the perception among Browns players that he put his own self-interest above all else. Again, the mistrust factor hurt Davis in his attempts to get the most out of the players upon whom his coaching success depended. Davis could not be reached for comment on his offseason negotiations. "We knew Butch was going to take care of Butch,'' the Browns player said. "It's sad, because it's a young team with a bunch of talent. But you reap what you sow. He shouldn't have gotten an extension last (offseason). That's for damn sure.'' This offseason turned into a disaster for Davis' reputation, as, one by one, the Browns lost front-office members who were viewed as potential threats to the head coach's power base. Team president Carmen Policy left. So did V.P.s Lal Heneghan (football operations) and Kofi Bonner (business operations), as well as highly respected personnel consultant Ron Wolf, whom Davis all but ignored. The Browns even went through a pair of public relations directors amid this offseason's chaos. From the outside, the purge was viewed as either Davis duped Lerner, who hasn't been on the job all that long after the 2002 death of his father, Al Lerner, or Randy Lerner gave Davis all the rope he needed to hang himself. Wherever the truth lies, the end of the Davis era was rather predictable over the last month. The Browns started 3-3 this season, but are now working on a five-game losing streak. The coup de grace was delivered last Sunday in Cincinnati when Cleveland lost to the Bengals 58-48, and thereby wrote its unpopular coach's epitaph. "Good riddance, man,'' said a Browns player. "I'm not worried about Butch. He got a nice chunk of change in leaving and he'll be fine. But sometimes things are what they seem. We didn't trust him. And it showed.'' It showed, all right. And because of it, the Butch Davis show is over in Cleveland. Don Banks covers pro football for SI.com. "

7/22/2011 1:57:33 PM

my favorite part of the article:

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"You can tell he's lying, because his lips are moving"

7/24/2011 8:11:03 AM

this should probably go on the IC thread since Swofford The Alum is saying it but, seems good here too:

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"ESPN_ACC ESPN ACC JS: "It has to be about programs that win, yes, but also about programs that play by the rules and grad. their players." #ACCfbk ESPN_ACC ESPN ACC JS: "I think winning is really important. But if you have to cheat to win, you really haven't won at all." #ACCfbk "

Where has this dude been... "letting it play-out" i guess?

[Edited on July 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM. Reason : ]

7/24/2011 1:04:26 PM

What about cheating and not winning? Hows he feel about that?

7/24/2011 1:12:45 PM

gold just asked butch if he really didn't know about blake's reputation.

butch dodges to the left saying no flags from compliance

[Edited on July 25, 2011 at 5:05 PM. Reason : ovies presses the matter]

7/25/2011 5:04:33 PM

butch sounds agitated

7/25/2011 5:06:38 PM

gold and ovies asking about tutor

7/25/2011 5:08:48 PM

Gold and Ovies asked some legitimate questions and they got the standard Butch answers: "No, I had no knowledge any indiscretions by Blake or Wiley and do not know why I should have known."

I don't at all want Butch fired, but if he ever was a small part of me would be happy simply because someone finally held this asshole accountable.

7/25/2011 6:44:08 PM

^I think BD should be fired. Not now, but back when the NCAA news started to break. It's too late now unless they wait until after the season (and punishment is handed down). I want him to be fired just to add to the chaos surrounding their football program. It makes the whole situation look worse if the HC gets fired. But I don't really care if they fire him...we're 4-0 against him.

7/25/2011 8:30:42 PM

I'd rather he get fired. Lot of talent over there, and it took an act of god for us to beat them last year, even with their depleted roster. Hell, we beat Mack Brown five times in a row to start his career. (Of course, the losing trend also started when Sheridan retired and Mike O'Cain took over...)

7/25/2011 11:22:43 PM

If Blake wasn't on their staff and convincing their players to stick around, their depleted roster would have pretty much equaled their real roster. Let him stick around. Show me it wasn't all John Blake and his crooked recruiting that was bringing in all of these 4 and 5 star recruits. B/C IMO, without Blake as Butch's right hand man, he's not convincing half of these players to come to UNC.

7/26/2011 1:20:15 AM

^ i see what you're saying, but they (UNC) are having the best recruiting year since 2009 under Butch, with regards to Star ratings.

now whether they become good players or stay around for their senior season because they are good players is a different story.

7/26/2011 9:20:57 AM

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"If Blake wasn't on their staff and convincing their players to stick around, their depleted roster would have pretty much equaled their real roster. Let him stick around. Show me it wasn't all John Blake and his crooked recruiting that was bringing in all of these 4 and 5 star recruits. B/C IMO, without Blake as Butch's right hand man, he's not convincing half of these players to come to UNC."

Yep. I was driving home when I heard on the radio the announcement that all the seniors were coming back--a red flag was immediately raised in my head. Not too long after, all that shit comes out.

7/26/2011 10:58:50 AM

Nine times out of ten, Carolina is going to hire a really good coach

They have a shit ton of money and pride and there are only so many John Buntings in their family tree

Butch is shitting the bed epically, wanting him gone is a mistake

7/26/2011 11:09:11 AM

hot damn, the wheels may just about be ready to come off the fucking train

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"Breaking Statement: Agent Carl Carey on legal case involving Robert Quinn: "In the best interest of Robert Quinn, given that he lost a year of eligibility at UNC already for NCAA violations for accepting extra benefits from agents and jewelers, and in the interest of the investment I put in him in the amount of about $300,000, I am seeking a temporary restraining order against Impact Sports to prevent them from negotiating on Quinn's behalf." ---Agent Carl Carey on taking legal action against Impact Sports & Robert Quinn."

7/26/2011 2:37:58 PM

woah

over/under on how long before that quote is taken offline

7/26/2011 2:40:18 PM

in all fairness, im going to temper excitement because its POSSIBLE that this was all done AFTER he was declared ineligible, but its highly unlikely, we'll see.

7/26/2011 2:47:04 PM

From WaffleIron on PP:

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"It appears the North Carolina Secretary of State and the NCAA has really dropped the ball on the pay for play angle. Todd Amis testified to the NC SOS and admitted to being a go between (and money man) between Wichard/Blake and Marvin Austin. The SOS hasn't release any other details on Amis' testimony other than what was issued in the warrant to Wichard. We've got an omission from Amis himself, a cancelled check, lengthy damaging phone records, yet no real story on this yet?"

Does anyone other than pissed-off State fans do their jobs around here?

7/26/2011 2:50:37 PM

WOOH!

7/26/2011 2:51:15 PM

no mention on my twitter follows yet, I'll keep my excitement until then on any new information

7/26/2011 2:58:53 PM

Ok just came across on twitter with link on the agent thing.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-report/article_aad02bf4-b7a7-11e0-9e13-0019bb30f31a.html

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"Carey maintains that he has spent about $300,000 on Quinn since December, citing expenses for training, lodging, meals, etc., plus loans he made to Quinn."

[Edited on July 26, 2011 at 3:09 PM. Reason : Seems to be all since end of the season, doubt the agent would cop to paying while student anyway.]

7/26/2011 3:05:06 PM

this article suggests the $300k is from december 2010 and onward....probably not an issue w/ NCAA. issue seems to be more quinn changing agents post-lockout after previous agent did the typical agent thing of hooking them up pre-contract but post-college

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-report/article_aad02bf4-b7a7-11e0-9e13-0019bb30f31a.html

[Edited on July 26, 2011 at 3:09 PM. Reason : ^ d'oh ]

7/26/2011 3:08:39 PM

did Quinn graduate in or before December 2010?

7/26/2011 3:09:58 PM

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"@ArmstrongWTVD Mark Armstrong South Johnston FB coach under investigation. They no-showed the recent Beast of the Hill 7 on 7 event at UNC."

Don't think this means anything but who knows.

7/26/2011 3:11:27 PM

I don't think there's much to this story. Looks like all the payments were made after he was off the team

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-report/article_aad02bf4-b7a7-11e0-9e13-0019bb30f31a.html

7/26/2011 3:12:07 PM

^^^Doesn't matter about graduation just end of eligibility.

Also I believe seniors can have "advisers" as long as they don't accept anything.

[Edited on July 26, 2011 at 3:12 PM. Reason : ^]

7/26/2011 3:12:19 PM

graduation date doesn't matter. so long as he wasn't a player on the team anymore (and he wasn't after the permaban hit him), you can get whatever money you want from whomever you want.

^for real fuck you

[Edited on July 26, 2011 at 3:13 PM. Reason : ,]

7/26/2011 3:12:39 PM

7/26/2011 3:16:12 PM

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"South Johnston FB coach under investigation..."

I wrote a column for The Kinston Free Press criticizing that guy a couple of years ago when his team ran up the score on North Lenoir by kicking and recovering onside kicks and throwing in the fourth quarter of a 70-plus point blowout.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

7/26/2011 4:41:32 PM

But who didn't run up the score on North Lenoir?

7/26/2011 4:43:28 PM

Haha. True.

They have been horrible ever since I moved to Lenoir County.

7/26/2011 4:48:21 PM

So you guys heard Butch Davis mention his second favorite sport to coach would be Track right?

Ya'll heard that right? K. Cool.

7/27/2011 12:53:21 AM

I can't blame Davis if a track scholar athlete wants to play football too, theres less money in track and field than the NFL, I dunno why thats a problem

7/27/2011 1:47:55 AM

also, knowing that track athletes make significantly less, his arranged payments during college can be much lower than someone expecting to make it in the NFL....

7/27/2011 2:34:16 AM

Oh lawd killpups is back

7/27/2011 4:21:37 AM

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"^ i see what you're saying, but they (UNC) are having the best recruiting year since 2009 under Butch, with regards to Star ratings. "

So far they have 0 4* or 5* commits so I am not sure what you are basing that statement on.

7/27/2011 6:51:44 AM

^ UNC's 2011 class was ranked 24th and had (1) 5 star and (3) 4 stars. I was looking at last years rankings. But this year they still have a few top 30 guys at their position.

7/27/2011 9:59:56 AM

http://obsfifty.blogspot.com/2011/07/unc-examining-honor-court-after-mcadoo.html

7/27/2011 4:12:28 PM

Butch Fired?

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"@insidecarolina: BREAKING NEWS: UNC official would not confirm or deny whether Butch Davis has been fired today."

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"@ArmstrongWTVD: Just had the same convo - something's happening RT @InsideCarolina: Would only offer the following: "The chancellor met with the Board of Trustees to discuss the future of the football program today.""

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"@ArmstrongWTVD: UNC officials have been given a tightly scripted answer to any questions about Butch today. Was told that there is 'no presser scheduled'"

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"@ArmstrongWTVD: I was just told exact same thing that @InsideCarolina heard. There's clearly something afoot."

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"@insidecarolina: official: "The chancellor met with the Board of Trustees to discuss the future of the football program today.""

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 4:45 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2011 4:41:07 PM

7/27/2011 4:43:05 PM

its usually not a good sign when they won't deny that he's been fired

7/27/2011 4:43:09 PM

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"@ArmstrongWTVD: Just for some context - the BOT meeting today was a regularly scheduled thing. We were there. There was a closed portion that followed."

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"@ArmstrongWTVD: When I say 'something is happening' - I don't know what, I just know that UNC is on info lockdown right now."

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2011 4:47:40 PM

here's to hoping this is all just hearsay

i need a fistful of wins on him.

7/27/2011 4:51:45 PM

Oh Yeahhhh!

7/27/2011 4:52:14 PM

^^^^^ whoa, this might be the first time in months that this thread has delivered

i mean, BMFD might be fired and we're still on page 175?

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 4:53 PM. Reason : carrots, whatever, at goalielax]

also: http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc/story/9917515/

WRAL reporting the same thing... which I guess is nothing

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 4:55 PM. Reason : asdfg]

7/27/2011 4:53:01 PM

oh lawd

7/27/2011 4:54:08 PM

some radio caller just speculated that maybe when they were going through the 216 phone records they found some smoking guns

surprised they didnt just cross them off and say they're long lost cousins

7/27/2011 4:54:31 PM

in the news earlier today there was mention that UNC was reviewing their honor board procedures to keep pure plagiarism like McA's falling through the cracks

maybe the administration has finally had enough of putting up with the shitstorm from all of this and wants to get in front of it

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 4:57 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2011 4:56:10 PM