It's hard to imagine us getting past 6 wins in conference. Gott played his shake up the coaching staff card before the season, so he's officially on strike 2. Miss the NCAA with this squad and it's time to contact Archie through the back channels. Not sure Deb would go for a coach that isn't Archie so close to retirement.

1/30/2017 11:17:45 AM

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"^ if this season was last season, then probably not, but back to back horrible seasons when you have an elite level PG and solid talent elsewhere is unacceptable. Ultimately we have to look at the trend. He's clearly going down and we can't afford to have another rebuild job on our hands."

yup.

i don't see think you can totally discount last season. i understand that you can put an asterisk beside it and say "Freeman was never 100%, Henderson was out all year, Lacey went pro kinda unexpectedly...shit happens, you're allowed a down year". i'm totally fine with that. but you have to take into account how horrible we've been for the last 1.5 seasons. we're headed for two straight sub .500 seasons. that's inexcusable. we've got the talent this season to be a tournament team and even a top 25 team. we're nowhere near that. to me, that's inexcusable.

[Edited on January 30, 2017 at 11:22 AM. Reason : f]

1/30/2017 11:20:57 AM

2-7 down the stretch and 1 acc tourney win

1/30/2017 11:26:43 AM

gotta go 2-0 this week

1/30/2017 11:46:54 AM

^^^ lets not forget the atrocious coaching. It's one thing to occasionally lose some games that you shouldn't. It's a completely different story losing to teams by 30-50 who are in the same ballpark talent-wise. Horrible in game coaching decisions in close games, I'm not going to beat the dead horse on defense.

He should not be a power 5 conf coach

[Edited on January 30, 2017 at 11:49 AM. Reason : .]

1/30/2017 11:49:23 AM

Thing to consider also is it isn't just losing but how you are losing. Last year we weren't very good, but there were some real reasons for that and even then we had 5-6 games that we still could have won and gotten to 20+ wins. Overall the team battled, there was just usually a 3-4 minute stretch where we couldn't score points that became the difference in the game. This year we are just getting flat blown out of games, our losses on average have been by 14 points and I excluded the UNC game as such an outlier or it would be even more.

Last year we lost on average by a little less than 8 points, and I excluded the W&M game also as an odd outlier(first game of season without a key piece etc). So I think that is pretty bad when you consider there were reasons for losing last year and we were more competitive than this year. Gott seems to me to be the type of coach that does better with less, can take a scrappy undermanned group and get something more out of them, but struggles with talented teams and getting them to play to their potential. Last year's team almost over-achieved to some degree, in that I don't know which coaches in the country would have gotten much more out of that line-up and we just lost some close games.

This year is the total opposite. I bet 85% of coaches in the country would trade their team for our roster in an instant. You can see this year, not managing minutes well, doesn't rotate our bench players to use depth, doesn't look like our talent is meshing well, not using all the pieces we have to their potential, and then further seen when guys leave as he doesn't seem to keep players happy. I don't think the team has "quit" on him, because I think they are going out and trying. It takes quite a bit for competitive college athletes to totally just give up. I think we are slow and look out of it because the team is totally lost. They look like they have no idea what to do on either end of the court. They are thinking too much, not reacting and just playing ball with clear purpose. There is no chemistry or flow on offense, no communication or cohesion on defense. So it is more than just winning and losing, how we are losing this year is embarrassing and I think that is what makes it worth considering a change.

1/30/2017 12:21:13 PM

is yow the person to make that change though? the last search didn't go very well.

1/30/2017 12:25:17 PM

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"the last search didn't go very well."

How do people claim these type statements? How do YOU know?

One coach supposedly said no, one supposedly was scared of Duke/UNC, one we told no, all unproven.

I mean we had just endured 5 straight years of no NCAATs and we got a coach with an Elite Eight on his resume at a P5 school.

1/30/2017 2:43:50 PM

i feel like i'm drinking crazy juice or something

we were all around for the last search, it didn't go well

1/30/2017 2:58:07 PM

i really don't understand how anyone cares about this stuff anymore

1/30/2017 3:05:16 PM

^^I think the argument is that it didn't go well because Sid Lowe had our program in the shitter and there was a still a little of that Herb stink on us in the coaching circles. In other words, stuff outside of Yow's control.

[Edited on January 30, 2017 at 3:06 PM. Reason : d]

1/30/2017 3:05:46 PM

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"i feel like i'm drinking crazy juice or something we were all around for the last search, it didn't go well"

yeah the last coaching search was not great. that can't really be argued.

you can, however, argue that Gott has elevated the program to a place where maybe the next coaching search wouldn't be as bad.

1/30/2017 3:10:22 PM

https://www.change.org/p/debbie-yow-fire-mark-gottfried

1/30/2017 3:34:54 PM

success-wise we don't seem much higher than we were under herb, lowe added some recruiting success to that level like gottfried has -- i don't think we are in a significantly different position today than we were during the last search

1/30/2017 3:52:27 PM

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"success-wise we don't seem much higher than we were under herb, lowe added some recruiting success to that level like gottfried has -- i don't think we are in a significantly different position today than we were during the last search"

i don't know how it'd be viewed by potential candidates for the job, and after all that's whose opinion matters...but the program is definitely ahead of where it was under Lowe. that's a very low bar, but Lowe's tenure was a disaster. the argument would be that Fowler fucked up the post-Herb search...and that was less about the status of the program at that time and more about Fowler being a buffoon. now...i can't really say how true or not true that is. but that seems to be the prevailing argument. the post-Herb search wasn't a mess because the program was viewed as bad, but because Fowler was bad at his job.

as for comparing the program's current status to what it was under Lowe...right now it's better. if this year continues on this track and next year is similarly bad...then that becomes less of a certainty imo.

1/30/2017 4:02:39 PM

This game should not have been close. -points regardless of outcome. Cuse is 14-25 from 3. No fucking excuse.

2/1/2017 8:58:20 PM

pathetic. -94 points.

probably - a few more in just a minute

2/1/2017 9:04:55 PM

Pathetic does not even begin to describe this debacle. 15-26 from 3. I mean how do you not address something that has been an issue for years?

We should go ahead and call UNCW and trade. Gott can take over in Wilmington.

2/1/2017 9:12:32 PM

So will DSJ even claim State when he's in the NBA? Or will he just list his high school?

2/1/2017 9:14:06 PM

He's dead to me.

2/1/2017 9:16:16 PM

We couldn't possibly be any worse if we got rid of him right now

2/1/2017 9:17:27 PM

i'm game for a coaching search

2/1/2017 9:18:43 PM

Fuck this guy. We are such a fucking joke. Random ass dudes regularly light us up. He should just resign at this point.

2/1/2017 9:22:02 PM

Since BC or GT game, ive watched that last few minutes of Duke the last 4 of reg/OT tonight. Not sure i'll watch another minute this year.

I dont think i've missed more than 1-2 State bball games since i was 12, and definitely not intentionally. Its just too damn depressing to watch us waste DSJ.

I dont see us getting much better w/out Gott, but i'm toast on him.

2/1/2017 9:30:39 PM

I don't know what to blame but goddamn seeing us give up ridiculous 3s to every team we play is fucking shameful

BOBBY LUTZ FOR KING

2/1/2017 9:46:40 PM

once or twice a year most teams have an opponent that shoots out of their mind and is unstoppable. it's a 30+ game season...you have nights where the other team is just on fire. i think most reasonable fans understand that. the thing is, that's basically every single game for us. that isn't "nc state shit" or "somebody always gets hot vs us". that's bad defense. that's bad coaching. that's a pattern that has yet to be stopped. it's pretty pathetic. and embarrassing. and 100% predictable, the first page of the Cuse thread had multiple people joking about which player is gonna have a career night.

2/1/2017 9:53:34 PM

Thanks for the memories Gott!

2/1/2017 10:00:10 PM

A bunch of UNC fans on twitter are feeling sympathy for DSJ. My friends, this is the beginning of the end

2/1/2017 10:08:07 PM

Give the guy some credit, he found a new way to lose tonight. I don't think we have blown a big lead yet this year but we sure did tonight.

2/1/2017 10:12:37 PM

And one more thing, minus 100 credibility for not fouling at the end when we had a three point lead and we let them hit a three.

2/1/2017 10:26:58 PM

After every loss, the opposing coach says something to the tune of "that a really talented team over there"

I wish they'd complete the sentence....."but horribly coached"

2/1/2017 11:34:53 PM

I'm so tired of hearing a variation of "well gosh if they didn't have no name McGee just play out of his mind tonight, we played well enough to win" from Gott after games. If every damn team is setting a record against you, then it's not a blue moon event.

2/2/2017 6:51:07 AM

So that dude dropped 43 on us on 14 shots!! That is un-fucking-believable. The comments by the Syracuse players afterwards were comical. Basically said we continued to go under screens so they just ran playground school pick and pop plays. What a fucking joke.

Only two players in NBA history have scored 40 on less than 14 shots. We are the equivalent of Texas Tech football in terms of basketball defense. WTG Gott.

[Edited on February 2, 2017 at 11:00 AM. Reason : D]

2/2/2017 10:46:21 AM

We have fought over screens and not switched all year, and then last night is the night we decide to change that?

Seriously... pick any number of defenses that have been proven to work, stick with it, and coach it. Our players look so confused and uncertain on the defensive end. Like the coaching staff is just throwing ideas at them and hoping one works. Pick a style and go with it. Are we fighting over screens or hedging and going under? Either can work, but you can't hesitate. If it is player dependent then that is fine, certain guys we might not want to switch off of, or send more help, but you can adjust within the game on that. At some point when a guy has his 30th point your pride should kick in and just double the guy. Let anyone else on the court beat us. Box and 1, something.

2/2/2017 11:17:24 AM

^wait you're mad that he tried something different on defense?

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"Only two players in NBA history have scored 40 on less than 14 shots."

What does nba history have to do with anything, lol

2/2/2017 11:35:50 AM

^ Nothing really, but shows how ridiculously bad we played letting a guy be nearly perfect against us. I saw that stat off twitter as I assume a stat like that for college basketball is hard to attain.

2/2/2017 11:42:48 AM

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"the argument would be that Fowler fucked up the post-Herb search."

Kind of off topic, but there is a story circulating the interwebs about the time Calipari was on campus for his interview after Herb left. Apparently Fowler took Cal to some pizza place on Hillsborough street for lunch. If thats not bad enough, Fowler didnt even offer to pay for Cals pizza. That was the moment Cal decided to return to Memphis.

The story came from a UK blogger, so take it with a grain of salt. But would anyone really be surprised if it were true?

Also, I've enjoyed many moments of the Gott era. But it's time he move it on down the road. No excuse for the lack of effort and defense.

[Edited on February 2, 2017 at 11:47 AM. Reason : 1]

2/2/2017 11:46:27 AM

^yeah i have no idea if it's true or not. but i've seen that story circulated as well. maybe true, maybe not. but it stands to reason the fowler fucked up.

2/2/2017 11:58:08 AM

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"Nothing really, but shows how ridiculously bad we played letting a guy be nearly perfect against us."

It's not like they were all uncontested. Dude hit some crazy shots.

2/2/2017 12:02:08 PM

I heard on a different parody podcast that Fowler took Calipari to Fountain Dining Hall for all-you-can-eat ice cream, and stuck Coach Cal with the board bucks bill.

2/2/2017 12:07:48 PM

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"Box and 1, something."

I've seriously always wondered why coaches don't play this defense more, or at least a hyrbid version of it. Valvano used to do it quite a bit-- and the few times Lowe did it, the thing worked like a charm.

2/2/2017 12:34:15 PM

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"^wait you're mad that he tried something different on defense? "

Yes because it isn't just a scheme or strategy that has been the issue with our defense. Obviously certain defenses are better based on your team, but in our case it is just being fundamentally sound and having 5 guys on the same page. Syracuse zone doesn't always work, but they buy in and it improves throughout the year. Our staff just seems to think the issue is a new strategy or finding the right strategy. Nothing we do will work because fundamentally our defense is poor. Constantly changing the defensive scheme to "find what works" is only causing more confusion and poor play. Pick a defense, teach the fundamentals, and get all 5 guys buying in/understanding. It isn't about finding a better recipe it is about getting better ingredients.

2/2/2017 12:42:00 PM

Has Giglio compiled a list of worst defenses in the ACC games over the past 30 or so years yet? Get on that man.

2/2/2017 12:50:50 PM

I can guarantee you that Giglio doesnt read TWW.

2/2/2017 1:57:36 PM

there's only so much yellow legal pad to go around

2/2/2017 3:00:17 PM

JP = Giglio exposed??????

2/2/2017 3:15:12 PM

^lol

I enjoyed this article: http://deadspin.com/no-team-shoots-itself-in-the-dick-quite-like-n-c-state-1791928061?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

2/2/2017 3:52:18 PM

JP "I go by Joe now" Giglio

2/2/2017 4:18:13 PM

^^that's fucking fantastic. I could barely stop laughing.

2/2/2017 4:22:54 PM

I was looking up some stats to see if I wasn't losing my mind that just about every guard that plays us has a career day against us (confirmed) and I saw that we are ranked 310th in points allowed.... i mean, godDAMN. That's some putrid defense.

2/2/2017 4:35:58 PM