It should also be noted that you can set the equation equal to 0 and solve for AMOUNT TO CALL. As it turns out, you would have been technically "right" to call any bet up to $112.

5/19/2007 12:58:53 PM

Actually that equation might be a little off, because as it is there are bets that you **should** call even when you are drawing dead. Lemme think about it some more.

5/19/2007 2:07:14 PM

Upon further investigation, I am retarded. But we all knew that.

I read a website that kind of explains pot odds, and the way I understood it was different. Can somone clarify?

http://www.pokerjesusonline.com/pot_odds_and_implied_pot_odds.htm

OK, it gives this example. You are heads up in a pot with $3.50, you must decide whether to call $1. You have an outside straight draw, so you have 8 outs.

So:
pot size = $3.50
bet = $1.00
pot odds = $3.50/$1.00, so 3.5:1
odds to win = 5:1 ( I am assuming they got this number by taking the reciprocal of 8 outs/40 cards)

Since pot odds are less than odds to win, you fold.

Using this in moes example, we have:
pot size = $39.80
bet = $31.75
pot odds = $39.80/$31.75, so 1.25:1
odds to win = 1/45.8% = 2.2:1

So pot odds are less than odds to win, so the right play is fold?

Is this right? If so, that hardly makes any sense to me. He would have to be an 80% favorite using this method to call.

5/19/2007 3:56:16 PM

odds to win = 54.2/45.8 = 1.18:1(actually a little less because there's a possibility of a tie)

pot odds = (39.8+31.75)/31.75 = 2.25




it's almost a call if you KNEW he had a set, 2.33 > 2.25

it's definately a call against the range of hands he's making this bet with



[Edited on May 19, 2007 at 4:28 PM. Reason : pot odds were also wrong]

5/19/2007 4:03:19 PM

Ahhh thank you.

5/19/2007 4:26:09 PM

Okay I just read the actual hand for the first time, and your pot odds are right. I thought you were saying the villain pushed $31.75 into a $39.8 pot, but it was just an $8 pot.


It's definately a call vs. his range here, you're doing fine against anything but a set and he's not very likely to be pushing a set in this scenario.




[Edited on May 19, 2007 at 4:40 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2007 4:29:55 PM

In other news, despite my misconception with regards to pot odds, I have worked my $.30 back up to $45.14.

5/19/2007 6:38:52 PM

Ahhh I lied, I started out with $.90.

Now that I have my roll up to where I can play in heads-up sit-n-gos, I think I can incrementally step my way up to higher buy-ins. This can be one of those great success stories. How I turned 90 cents into $10,000.

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May 12/07 4:55p
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May 12/07 5:17p
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May 12/07 5:17p
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May 12/07 7:00p
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May 13/07 7:39p
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May 13/07 9:06p
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May 15/07 12:25a
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May 15/07 12:34a
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May 15/07 6:48p
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May 18/07 1:27a
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May 18/07 11:04p
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May 19/07 2:47p
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May 19/07 2:49p
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May 19/07 2:49p
P175334049 Poker - Table Buy In ($5.25) $20.44
May 19/07 3:11p
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May 19/07 3:56p
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May 19/07 4:25p
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May 19/07 4:35p
P175361938 Poker - Table Cashout $0.00 $29.94
May 19/07 4:35p
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May 19/07 5:06p
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May 19/07 5:08p
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May 19/07 5:15p
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May 19/07 5:15p
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May 19/07 5:23p
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May 19/07 5:43p
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May 19/07 6:11p
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May 19/07 6:12p
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May 19/07 6:15p
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May 19/07 6:15p
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May 19/07 6:35p
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5/19/2007 6:44:03 PM

Cool, I did something similiar at titan poker where I turned the .70 I had left over from my last cash out to a little over $50. It was pretty gratifying.

5/19/2007 8:43:23 PM

I managed to get 36.5k chips during a $3 rebuy period.. lol



Sucking out in 4-way allins is cool

5/19/2007 10:20:36 PM

reminder for anyone interested. the $4+.4 100k satellite is tonight at midnight. its pretty sweet, only 150 or so ever register, and 25 seats are guranteed. i already won a seat last night, but its an awesome way to pad your $T. They never even come close to covering the prize pool in this thing from buyins, rebuys, and addons

its on bodog, by the way

[Edited on May 19, 2007 at 11:25 PM. Reason : ddd]

5/19/2007 11:25:18 PM

goddamn im a degenerate.

im just getting home from driving to ac friday after work

and by some unknown reason, the largest swingy day in my poker life.

took $1500
had to hit the atm for another $500
got $3900 in my pocket now

played essentially nonstop from about 1030pm friday, untill about 7 am this morning.

got some good stories

but i want sleep, bad.

took some wicked beats, laid a few wicked beats

made some really good plays, made some horrid ones

totally pwned a 4 handed 10/20 lo8 game for the tune of 40 BB in ~2 hours

got involved in a really nutty 2/5 game, where i rebuilt everything

tried my best to lose a $500 chip on the floor

really, really pissed off this russian dude

and made an azn proud all at the same time

ok well that story im going to go ahead and type up

first off, there's this dude James, who lives in richmond, who goes up like 3 times a month to destroy the 5/10 or 10/25.. we were at the same table a few months ago, and now when im in town we end up getting together and usually using each other as strategy and break helpers.

something difficult will come up, ill go to his table and we'll take a break, and usually get meals together to discuss strategy and help with regulars' play notes.

oddly enough a bunch of the 10/20 and 20/40 guys ahve mirgrated to 5/10 and are total rock gardens.

but it's funny, b/c it seems like we're a luck charm for each other

when i walk over there, he'll win a hand, or visa versa.

so right as this hand was going down, James was walking behind me... i saw him out of the corner of my eye.. he's hard to miss, he was a D1 o-lineman, and as a enormous black dude, he has a presence.

It's actually been pretty beneficial, instead of when i'd go alone and never eat or talk to anyone but the scumbag regulars that are all scam artists. focus retention is key.


so, at the nutty 2/5 game, ive established my presence pretty well. there is a group of 4 doctors there, that are pretty much just trying to impress each other by making moves on "these serious poker players".... earlier in the sesion one of them tried to get me off my hand (which happened to be top set -> top full) with 5 high by stacking off.

a-ok by me

so im utg+1 with TsTc and limp.
old dude limps
dr#1 bumps it to $25
dr#2 calls (guy was actually pretty damn solid)
absurdly insane greek quasi regular who is running hot as fuck during the session calls (by running hot, like calling a raise, reraise with A4 on a 4KT6r board to spike a 4 on the river and the like... calling multiple hundred dollar raises with gutterballs and nailing them.. has build up to about $1800... but swings wildly as you'd expect... one of hose dudes you could value call down with tpgk)
dirty fucking russian who just sat down calls
young azn new to the table calls
BB(Dr#3 calls)

im sitting with 4 $300 spires of red chips, with a few greenies on top for support, a working stack of about another $150 in redbirds... so about $1500 or so at the time....

no one has me covered but the greek.

i call the raise, so does old dude

so we go 8 ways for $25 a person.

lawls thats the type of table it was

im itchin to hit a set on this table, know it'll make a mint.. actually blew off $600 with a set in at the table against top two when top two turned into me having the shitty end of a full house with a 7 k j, j, 2 board when all the money went in on the flop and i was holding 77.

~

flop comes Ah Kd Th

a set, bt a scary board for 8 handed play

it checks around to the russian, who obliges me with a bet. i wanted the greek to bet, but he didnt.. i was going to isloate against the greek, i didnt feel as if the russian, azn or dr#3 (who was really tight) would call his initial raise.

oddly, greek checks

russian bet $30 into this pot. (f'n gay)

he has $400 or so behind.

azn and dr#3 fold, this entire part of the hand i do not understand.

i raise to $120... which, i dont know why... seems too little, but i quasi wanted some tard with a flush draw to come along cold calling the c/r, which wouldnt have suprised me at all.

unfortunately greek folds, as do drs #1 and 2

now russian flips the fuck out and IM ALL IN IM ALL IN IM ALL IN HERE PUT MY CHIPS IN MATCH IT MATCH IT

the first thing i say is "flopped it"

after my raise, the cut down is $288 to call into this pot, which ~730 including the raise amount... so i have 288 to call to win 730.

i cant think but some of the As, Ks, and maybe a T is dead from the amount of calling of the initial raise. even with that, i dont see how i can get away with not calling here... i rougly figure in my head i was about 2:1 against getting there.. mostly remembered by how many hundreds of times ive sat on two dimes or poker stove

so, im def. getting ev by calling...but at this point im rebuilding back from being stuck soo goddamned hard.

and being ultra underrolled for the game i was playing, variance avoidance is a key issue

so, after about 2 minutes, i christine (who is this cute as shit azn dealer with a ridiculous accent that makes it really hard to understand, but that adds to her alure i think) that im going to call on a major gamble, and im going to need some of her help.

so

"i know you flopped it, thats fucking obvious... but i want a gamble, and i'm going to need christine to pair the board...i call"

a collective oh shit

a baby heart on the turn

the ace of diamonds on the river

im all hurr hurr hurr

i turn around and throw some pretty awesome highfives

russian stands up and starts screaming

YOU STOLE MY MONEYS I HAVE NUT STRAIGHT WHY YOU PLAY LIKE THAT

WHAT YOU DO IS NOT PLAY RIGHT YOU SEE

rabble rabble rabble floor comes over and basically gets him to shut the fuck up

but, what makes the story, is the

"the point of poker is to impress an azn" thing

christine came up to me later and pulls me aside and says

"that was good gamble you made there! you gamble good"

i just started laughing and all i could think about was the impress an azn line, and how much i wanted to pee in her butt

i need sleep bad, im feeling quite like a complete retard right now and lazily typed this up.

5/20/2007 9:38:34 AM

hey

i was screwin around today and won a 36 person satellite tourney for a seat to the sunday million on stars


anyone want to buy it off me. I'll give the people on here a discount

5/20/2007 12:08:19 PM

Does anyone else here just want to bitch slap Annie Duke? Nobody else grinds on my nerves more than her. She is just a total bitch.

Sidenote....

I would let her suck my cock.

5/20/2007 7:12:20 PM

I would like to bitch slap you for being the worst poker player and most ignorant person on TWW.

STFU TheOffice

[Edited on May 20, 2007 at 7:23 PM. Reason : the office blows]

5/20/2007 7:21:24 PM

The Office the show is great

but I agree [user]TheOffice{/user] is a terrible poker player and a racist piece fo shit

5/20/2007 8:54:21 PM

if any of my friends on here are going/want to go to vegas from the 14th-19th of June for the WSOP, I'll have a room.

5/23/2007 7:16:58 PM

ill be at bonnaroo

5/23/2007 9:33:05 PM

Did anybody else just see Kathy Liebert get used like a $2 whore on the WPT? What an awful, awful showing at the final table.

[Edited on May 23, 2007 at 9:43 PM. Reason : asdd]

5/23/2007 9:43:10 PM

Honestly, with a couple exceptions, female poker players suck. They just give them TV time to broaden the range of the game and suck more people in to playing. Some of them are really cute too, which is a bonus after having to stare at Greg Raymer and Mike Matusow for hours.

I was watching some fat chick the other day play in the heads-up tournament. Somehow she had made it to the 4th round. Anyways, she's holding 99, raises and the flop comes 666. He bets, she calls. Next card is a 6, so the board is 6666. He bets, she calls, honestly believing she had the nuts (she had quads!) The river is.... whatever, I don't remember, but he checks, sure she also has an ace. She had played it so convincingly that she had the ace he didn't bother to bet (which of course was a mistake on his part.) The funny part was he read her right (strength) but she was just so stupid that she didn't know what her hand was.

5/23/2007 9:57:40 PM

If I saw Kathy Liebert in person, I'd kick it in the nuts.

yeah that was awesome. i might add that to my personal 'Kathy Liebert is a donkey-lipped man-bitch' mix-video

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 12:27 AM. Reason : word]

5/24/2007 12:15:12 AM

I will have to say, I really am enjoying heads-up sit-n-gos.

I know I said before that I didn't believe that you could "read" people online. But I may have to go back on that. The last couple of weeks, I have really kinda gotten "in tune" with the people I play. It seems obvious when they actually have a legitimate hand, when they are bluffing, etc. Granted, that still doesn't mean I make all the right plays, even when I know what the right play is. Even though I KNOW that someone is on a draw, and then the draw that I put them on hits, it is really hard to lay down a set or top 2 pair, especially when I have a lot invested. I think that is my main weakness now.... not believing my reads.

5/24/2007 12:58:15 AM

That woman I was referring to was Kristy Gazes btw.

5/24/2007 1:08:55 AM

Jim you have the unbelievable canny to come across so savvy in person but so dumb online.

I refuse to believe that you are this elementary of a poker player because I always had a healthy respect for your game.


P.S.
The watch beeping that corresponded with the "Oh, its time to take out Nitro" was one of the best moments in raleigh poker history.

5/24/2007 3:31:30 AM

^I think that sums up why I got "pissy" jim.

What the hell happened to nitro?

OMG, Rally is still alive! And he can afford internet!

5/24/2007 7:48:54 AM

Haha I am going to accept that as a good backhanded compliment.

But seriously, although I have won money online, I know my online game needs work and I am taking steps to improve it. I think that may be because I am so within my element in a live game. Although I hate the guy, my game is pretty similar to Jamie Gold's. He likes to talk a lot, but it serves more than just to throw the guy off like a lot of people think. He talks (IMO) to induce conversation and get a better read. The more someone converses, the more likely it is that he will drop some kind of tell. And those tells are way more powerful than some of the ones Mike Caro discusses (glancing at chips, peeking at cards, etc.)

5/24/2007 9:36:49 AM

Ok I have a scenario I would like some advice on. How do you all normally play low pocket pairs? For example lets say 66 or below. I usually like to raise in this spot to about 3 times the blind, assuming there have been zero raises thus far.

Is this the wrong move? Should I limp in look for the set and then get out if I dont hit? I hate this style of play because it works about as often as it should. I do, however, get paid of nicely when I slow play the low pocket pair and hit the set.

The low pocket pairs have always drived me nuts and I never feel comfortable playing them.

How do you all play them?

5/24/2007 11:44:59 AM

in as cheap as possible

out with either as little loss or as much gain as possible.

assuming 10 handed of course.

5/24/2007 2:09:55 PM

Alright lets say I am in the big blind with 66 and I am raised 3.5 times the big blind. Do I call? Reraise? Lets also say that the person that raised was in the small blind and there are no other bets.

If I call here do I have any hope of winning this hand without the set or some other straight or flush draw?

Another example:

Big Blind is 100, Small Blind is 50, and we are 6 handed. I am in the big blind with 66. Everyone folds and the small blind limps in. I raise to 350. He goes all in for 1000. Omitting my chip stack what is the right move here? If I put him on a higher overpair then I am 4:1 to win. Anything else is a coin flip. Is this worth the call?

5/24/2007 2:34:59 PM

it all depends on your feel and reads. if you have a good idea that he is holding AK or the like, then I'd give it a call. If he is a tightwad, then you are probably boned, and can lay it down.

I always like to limp in with 77 or below, and try to play to the board, or either catch that set. I get in trouble when I have a hand like 55 and the flop comes like 678. I treat my hand like it is stronger than it really is.

when he limps like that, it smells like trouble.

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 2:40 PM. Reason : m]

5/24/2007 2:40:07 PM

This is generally how I play. I do agree that the limp / all in bet is extremely fishy and generally wont call.

5/24/2007 2:43:21 PM

It appears that you're talking about tournaments, I think folding them in early position is fine unless the table is really tight. Raise from middle and late position if it's folded to you.


In 6-max nlhe cash games I will open with any pair from any position. A low pair can sneak up on people when I flop a set after raising utg. I also like potting it up against limpers when I have position. It's gonna be hard for them to call my ~75% pot c-bet on the flop unless they hit really hard, and if they do I can either double barrel or possibly hit my set on the turn or river(which happens 8.4% of the time). I've stacked numerous people with low pairs when I checked behind on the turn and hit my set on the river. The power of position adds a lot of value to the hand, you'll be hitting your set more than the standard 1 out of 7.5 flops when you get to see 2 additional cards. When you limp/call oop you only have a chance to hit on the flop and your hand will be very transparent when you do.

I'm not sure how those concepts translate to full ring nlhe cash games.

5/24/2007 4:01:37 PM

Oh

tournmanets

5/24/2007 5:02:08 PM

I'm thinking of trying a new experiment. I've just started dabbling in PL Omaha-Hi, and have been running a consistent 200BB/100 at .01/.02 (yes I know....i'm balling).

If I ran 5 or 6 tables, it might be remotely profitable...

5/27/2007 1:50:20 PM

5/27/2007 3:55:03 PM

[Edited on May 27, 2007 at 4:23 PM. Reason : yo]

5/27/2007 4:21:22 PM

Man........ do any of you have any tips at how to handle bad beats without going on mega monkey tilt?

I mentioned before how I started with 90 cents. Well, I got it up to $50, then (for sake of brevity) I take a bunch of bad beats, get mad, play stupid, and end up back at $5.

Well, I once again build that $5 up, this time to like $65. Keep in mind, I have played live and online with over $1,000 in chips in front of me, so this has absolutely nothing to do with money whatsoever. As a matter of fact, the thing that sent me into my latest whirlwind happened in a freeroll or a $1 tournament (I don't remember which cause I was playing both at the same time.) I had played for like 3 hours and it was down to the last 80ish out of 2700 people. I think the top 63 get paid, but honestly until you get to the top 5 it's not really worth all that much.

I am sitting at a table with about 1.75x the average chipstack, but I am definitely the big stack of the table, and I am playing pretty dominantly. All of a sudden, I get thrown into the whirlwind that is a table switch, and find myself at a table where I am the second smallest stack. These jackasses are throwing chips around like it's nothing, calling 30% of their stack with 74 offsuit preflop. Under normal circumstances, you can just sit around and wait, but the blinds were like $500/$1000, plus a $150 ante, and I was at $37,000. So after like 20 minutes of stupidity and watching ridiculous play after ridiculous play unfold, I look down at AK of hearts. By this time I had folded my way to about $30,000 in chips. There's of course a couple callers (blinds were $1500/$3000) and so I jacked it up to $14,000. Everyone folds except this one douchebag who calls and another who pushes all-in for like $70,000. Of course I call, and so does the other guy. What do you know? K4 offsuit and 57 suited. Of course the 75 guy hits trip 7's on the flop, and I am gone.

Why do I tell this story you ask? Obviously there have been about a zillion worse beats, and I probably wasn't much better than 40% to win the hand preflop. For several reasons. First, I am bored. Second, I am still really really pissed off. If I win that hand, I am like 3rd or 4th in chips, and I can almost guarantee a top 20 finish at the worst. I don't think I have ever placed very high in a large MTT, especially one that starts with 2700 people. I guess if I had to put my finger on it, I hate to waste 3 hours of my life playing well, only to get screwed by having to go to that table, and to lose that way.

So after this tournament, in which I lost either a dollar or nothing, I proceed to play a couple heads-up tournies and go back down to $3. Of course I didn't play my style, and I lost them both rather quickly. So basically I just let some douchebag who made a stupid play in a mother fuckin freeroll cause me to give up almost all the money I had worked the last couple of weeks for.

Anyway I played in a few tournies this morning and got my roll back up to $12, but seriously, I need any suggestions to avoid this tilt that I go on. I guess just walking away from the computer, but.... I dunno, anything else?

5/27/2007 5:03:29 PM

i keep at minimum 2 extra mouses.

my computer setup is on my kithcen table

and i like to bash the mouse into the table untill it pretty much explodes.

that helps

5/27/2007 5:11:54 PM

You guys miss me?

Quote :

"The watch beeping that corresponded with the "Oh, its time to take out Nitro" was one of the best moments in raleigh poker history."

Ahahahaha. I remember that. I also remember Jim checking and saying "t minus 5 minutes til Nitro bluffs into the nuts" or something like that. Nitro is back in the states and I see him at Saucer or Draft House from time to time.

5/27/2007 6:20:53 PM

I actually saw Nitro in a freeroll on Party Poker last year.

5/27/2007 6:42:57 PM

Yes nice monkey picture, just trying to figure out what is most profitable for my play. If that involves micro limit multying...then so be it. Not like its not going to be supplemented by .5/1 and medium MTTs. Ass

[Edited on May 27, 2007 at 8:11 PM. Reason : .]

5/27/2007 8:11:03 PM

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=10173063&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

5/27/2007 8:17:33 PM

not trying to be an ass or anything

i just think i'd rather pick up change in the parking lot for the same rate

btw



FUCK THAT IT'S NOT A MONKEY, IT'S A SLOTH GET IT RIGHT

5/28/2007 6:37:31 PM

No I understand. But yeh didnt know that was a sloth haha.

I'm just trying to figure out whether micro-ballin would be a decent idea. In theory...sounds decent.

5/28/2007 9:42:45 PM

If you're doing it for profit, no.

If you're doing it for fun with some miniscule reward, yes.

If you're doing it to perfect your game and your understanding of limit before moving up in stakes, then definitely yes.

5/28/2007 11:42:30 PM

Just ran through some quick calculations to determine at what point I would consider playing Micro-Stakes PL Omaha (.01/.02) profitably.

Conservative estimate of 100BB-100
8 tabling 500 hands sessions ~ 5 hours

Right at 16 bucks an hour on avg. Thats the lowest hourly wage I would be content with, and granted I may go insane within an hour i'm not sure how it would work. But I may give it a try this weekend.

5/29/2007 10:02:10 AM

explain how you're getting that please

im getting $7-10/hr, depending on hands/hr. i'm assuming that at micros omaha hands go quicker with just all in push fests so up to 65hands/hr from expected like 45.

even iwth the absurdity of 100bb/100

5/29/2007 10:22:54 AM

I'll tell ya how, I divided incorrectly in excel.

Should be 10 bucks and hour at 100 hands/hr.

I'm at work, can't load up Stars, so unsure of exact hands/hour count, but I remember being suprised at how rediculously fast it went for 6-max.

If its in the 70BB/100 range I suppose 12 tabling would be more correct for reasonable profit, and i'm pretty sure i'd kill myself.

5/29/2007 10:46:02 AM

6 max tables help

i had assumed 10 top

yeah with micros and play money from what ive seen its just kinda push all in and see what happeens, and i guess that could bring up the hands/hr significantly...

your swings will be RIGHTEOUS however, but im assuming you'll be ridiculously overrolled for 0.01/0.02.

the thought of making like $13/hr playing 0.01/0.02 is just kinda mind boggling, even if it is the biggest monkeys on the planent.

[Edited on May 29, 2007 at 10:50 AM. Reason : e]

5/29/2007 10:49:48 AM

Yeh overrolled for sure. I always thought the micro stuff was a joke, but after looking at that two plus two thread above with the guy 'wickss', I see him at the .10/.25 6-maxs PL Omahas sitting with like $200 all the time, kinda crazy.

5/29/2007 10:53:13 AM