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"Is that her real twitter?"

Yes

2/8/2017 8:56:47 PM

Outrebounded 50-26. That's just shear effort. The guys don't give a damn. A change needs to be made now not at the end of the year. It's clear we don't give a flying fuck.

2/8/2017 9:06:50 PM

One last time i promise

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"[quote]My friend who told me the likelihood of the washington and martin twins transfers months before it happened (with proof on tww for both) told me that Gott has completely lost the lockerroom and that players are beefing with dsj. Also mentions if we were to make any non-ncaat tourney, dsj wouldnt play. Take it all for what its worth. His family is considered "in the know". I told him that I'd talk about it online, he said he didnt care at this point. Troll away (tt10, bullet, etc)"

[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 9:23 PM. Reason : .]

2/8/2017 9:22:45 PM

Laughing stock of the ACC. Way to go Gott. He should just resign and save everyone the trouble. What a fucking train wreck of a season.

2/8/2017 9:41:28 PM

I hope that new batch of coed pussy is good for you, Gott.

2/8/2017 10:19:52 PM

wreck of a season. waste of lots of talent.

fuck this, let's move on.

2/8/2017 10:29:38 PM

Resign and you get a standing ovation everytime you visit PNC.

Stay on and it gon get ugly...

[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 10:55 PM. Reason : ]

2/8/2017 10:54:27 PM

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One last time i promise

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"[quote]My friend who told me the likelihood of the washington and martin twins transfers months before it happened (with proof on tww for both) told me that Gott has completely lost the lockerroom and that players are beefing with dsj. Also mentions if we were to make any non-ncaat tourney, dsj wouldnt play.

Take it all for what its worth. His family is considered "in the know". I told him that I'd talk about it online, he said he didnt care at this point.

Troll away (tt10, bullet, etc)"


Not true. They are all boys. VERY CLOSE.


[Edited on February 8, 2017 at 9:23 PM. Reason : .]

2/8/2017 9:22:45 PM

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Laughing stock of the ACC. Way to go Gott. He should just resign and save everyone the trouble. What a fucking train wreck of a season.

2/8/2017 9:41:28 PM

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I hope that new batch of coed pussy is good for you, Gott.

NOT TRUE. He bangs CORCH's ex wife hence the reason for his divorce and theirs.

2/9/2017 1:05:39 AM

He's got another year till Debbie is gone. Same with Dave. She ain't dumb. She will have "confidence" going forward that Mark will put forth a good team.

Then when the new AD come in, he Gone.

2/9/2017 2:38:38 AM

thanks for that

2/9/2017 8:39:55 AM

Sorry if this has been mentioned already, I don't feel like wading through 50 pages of crap...do we know Gott's buyout? I know he's got $760k of base salary and $1.725 Mil of supplementals. Am I to assume his buyout is the 760k x years left on contract or is it more w/ the supplemental?

2/9/2017 10:20:56 AM

I got five on it

2/9/2017 10:26:14 AM

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"He's got another year till Debbie is gone. Same with Dave. She ain't dumb. She will have "confidence" going forward that Mark will put forth a good team. Then when the new AD come in, he Gone."

but do you know how contracts work, tho?

2/9/2017 11:10:14 AM

If Gott beats UNC AND wins a couple of games in the ACCT... Yow may still retain him.

2/9/2017 11:14:57 AM

A) Neither of those things are happening. B) If Yow is going to retain him, I doubt it would have much to do with the last gasps of a dying team.

2/9/2017 11:18:28 AM

She's here through July 2019. If it was just one more I could see it, but two years is a long time to basically commit to, he's gotta go now

2/9/2017 11:54:06 AM

just stopping by

2/9/2017 1:04:22 PM

not credible

2/9/2017 1:11:53 PM

When a coach loses a team in basketball it's over. You see it in the NBA all the time. The roster isn't big enough and the staff is small that you can't have a couple guys who don't like the coach without it destroying the team.

Gott did well early on but there's no salvaging the situation right now.

Throw money at Archie. Hell, I'd even take a shot a Smart since things haven't exactly been smooth at Texas and see if he wan'ts to get back to the east coast.

2/9/2017 1:13:24 PM

Everyone who actually thinks Gott is getting fired this year. What makes you think that considering Yow gave that dumpsterfire, Doeren, at least another year.

Gott has looked bad, and in any other circumstances, it probably is time to fire him. But our football program is much more urgent that basketball right now. Gott has proven he can be successful and coach up good teams. DD has shown he can go 6-6 and take us to Shreveport. But since Yow couldn't act proactively and deal with DD 2 years ago, like she should have, we are now stuck with a lame duck AD and looking at buying-out both our football and basketball head coaches.

We are likely going to need to give Gott another 3-4 years after we fire DD after 2019 (once Yow retires). Our best bet right now is to get an assistant coach who can coach the defense up.And try to make another sweet 16 run in the next couple years.

2/9/2017 2:06:28 PM

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" But our football program is much more urgent that basketball right now."

100% disagree. while we should always strive to be better, Doeren's results are basically par for the course as far as NC State football go. basketball on the other hand...holy shit we're nearing rock bottom.

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 2:12 PM. Reason : i know you've been an ardent anti-DD guy for a long time. ]

2/9/2017 2:10:40 PM

Yep, we have a very, very good chance of finishing below .500 second year in a row (which we haven't done since Les Robinson). No excuse for that.

2/9/2017 2:19:41 PM

I get it. And I'm not necessarily arguing that Gott deserves more time. His record is progressively worse each year he is here. And typically, we should get in front of that. I also understand that all of our major defensive and hustle issues are squarely on Gott.

But firing our bball and fball coaches at the same time is just too cost prohibitive. And firing Gott now, will only keep our football program middling and in the rut that it's in for several years to come.

I am just arguing that, based on each coaches actual historical results, Gott is more likely to get the bball program back on track than DD would with football. And if Yow wasnt willing to fire DD, which is a much worse situation, than why would she fire Gott?

2/9/2017 2:26:03 PM

stopped reading after

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"Gott has proven he can be successful and coach up good teams"

2/9/2017 2:28:43 PM

You are way off here dude. I am a known Doeren hater, but we need a change in basketball much more. Doeren ended the year beating UNC and throttling a SEC team. Basketball isn't making the NIT with a top 5 pick.

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 2:30 PM. Reason : Basically what dmspack said. We will always be a 7-5 football team. ]

2/9/2017 2:29:37 PM

^^Good. You shouldn't be a part of a big boy conversation anyway.

^6-6 and a bowl game is not a successful season. I understand that we are NC State, and our expectations for football are WAY lower than bball. And I am not happy with the current state of our bball program. But Gott has actually taken mediocre teams and coached them up to get (and advance) to the NCAA. DD couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.

I guess what I am asking is, if we Yow couldn't pull the trigger on DD, what makes you think she will fire Gott?

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 2:34 PM. Reason : 1]

2/9/2017 2:29:58 PM

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"But Gott has actually taken mediocre teams and coached them up to get (and advance) to the NCAA"

But you do clearly see that he is trending downwards dont you?

2/9/2017 2:37:34 PM

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"I guess what I am asking is, if we Yow couldn't pull the trigger on DD, what makes you think she will fire Gott?"

You answered your own question earlier:

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" I understand that we are NC State, and our expectations for football are WAY lower than bball. "

Losing record in men's basketball is completely unacceptable at NCSU regardless of talent. But with DSJr....sheesh

2/9/2017 2:40:59 PM

^^^ It seems clear you have a preference for football over basketball which I would suggest makes you part of a relatively small minority among NCState fans. Given our history in the sports having success in football, while it would be great, is somewhat less attainable than in basketball. I personally thought DD should have been fired after last year, and I most definitely think Gott should be fired after this one, but the two situations are not the same in any way.

DD is effectively Herb. He has shown a relatively low ceiling, but has achieved some moderate success and will keep our program above water (although barely). Gott has now shit the bed in consecutive seasons, both seasons with having arguably the best PGs in the league, and is clearly trending downward--not to mention the fact that this particular team seems to have given up on him.

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 2:43 PM. Reason : d]

2/9/2017 2:42:42 PM

Are we pretending like Doeren wasn't on just as much of a hot seat / fan hatred situation as Gott is now, prior to the UNC game and mediocre bowl game?

2/9/2017 2:48:02 PM

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"And firing Gott now, will only keep our football program middling and in the rut that it's in for several years to come. I am just arguing that, based on each coaches actual historical results, Gott is more likely to get the bball program back on track than DD would with football. And if Yow wasnt willing to fire DD, which is a much worse situation, than why would she fire Gott?"

our football program is perpetually middling regardless of who is the coach. we haven't had a season better than 5-3 in ACC play since 1994. getting football "back on track" is a misleading statement..."back on track" toward what? DD has rightfully earned much criticism and the results are hardly inspiring much confidence, but he's not exactly any worse than TOB was if you're looking at results. i would love for us to be a perennial top 25 team in football. but that'd be something we've never been in NC State history.

basketball, on the other hand, is a sport where we can actually say "we need to get back on track" and that means something. i know we're decades removed from being a prominent basketball program. but we aren't too far removed from being a consistent NCAAT team and it wouldn't take much more to get us to a point where maybe we are a consistent top 25 team in basketball. i think, given history, that's a much more reasonable expectation in basketball than in football.

basketball is circling the drain currently. football is at least managing to tread water.

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"Are we pretending like Doeren wasn't on just as much of a hot seat / fan hatred situation as Gott is now, prior to the UNC game and mediocre bowl game?"

i don't think anybody's acting like that didn't happen. but i think it's wrong to say that football is in a more dire situation than basketball. people want/wanted doeren gone because it was more of the same and the program wasn't/isn't improving. basketball is in a rapid free fall.

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM. Reason : f]

2/9/2017 2:49:02 PM

Not that I expect us to do anything the rest of the year, but peoples' opinion of Doeren changed favorably just because of the last 2 games of the season. Meanwhile, we still have 6 games + at least one ACC tourney game in the bball season.

2/9/2017 2:53:58 PM

^^

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"And I'm not necessarily arguing that Gott deserves more time. His record is progressively worse each year he is here. "

I am just arguing that he has had successful seasons. Can't say the same for DD.

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"You answered your own question earlier: "

I am sleep deprived with twins. Explain it to me like I'm 5.

^jocristan That makes sense and is a good argument for firing Gott this year. Like I posted earlier, I think it's time for Gott to move it on down the road. I just think the DD situation is much worse. But I can see the argument either way. I guess my question is what makes you think Yow would make a move with Gott, since she didnt do anything about DD?

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 3:01 PM. Reason : 1]

2/9/2017 3:00:58 PM

I can't speak for "people", but my attitude change had less to do with the last two games and more to do with Yow saying he will be here next year no matter what so I will give him the benefit of the doubt again and hope he proves me wrong.

2/9/2017 3:03:04 PM

I'm just saying, if we were to go 4-2 down the stretch in bball (LOL) then I think some fans might get a little hope again that we're peaking at the right time, despite an abysmal start to conference play, and we could make a run in the ACC tournament. This year's team has a couple wtf wins mixed in with all of our losses.

But things changed with Doeren between the last 2 games, and the end of the season. Bball season isn't actually over yet, technically.

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 3:07 PM. Reason : .]

2/9/2017 3:06:58 PM

Please show me the games where NCSU football routinely gave up 70+ points a game and Doeren said it was okay. The football team wasn't getting blown out every other game either.

It's hard to compare the two sports, but i can't believe anyone thinks football is in worse shape than basketball. I've been adamant in the past that Doeren is a grade A moron, but that doesn't have anything to do with the awful, awful job Gottfried has done here. Gottfried is trying to become a worse coach than the man he replaced, who is the worst coach in organized basketball history.

2/9/2017 3:09:20 PM

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"I am just arguing that he has had successful seasons. "

Gott has a couple successful NCAA tourneys, whether he has had a "successful season" depends on expectations, I guess.

Has finished
5/12
5/12
7/15
7/15
13/15

If the next 6 games go really well, maybe we get 8 or 9 this year, more likely to be playing on Tuesday.

That's 4 finishes just barely in top half and 2 in a row in the bottom.

2/9/2017 3:11:49 PM

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"I can't speak for "people", but my attitude change had less to do with the last two games and more to do with Yow saying he will be here next year no matter what so I will give him the benefit of the doubt again and hope he proves me wrong."

yow said this about which coach?

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"I am just arguing that he has had successful seasons. Can't say the same for DD."

this is actually something interesting about Gott's time here. we've been very much on the bubble 3 of the 4 years we made the tournament with Gott and the other year we were an 8 seed (his second season) so it was hardly a great regular season, but we weren't really on the bubble either. twice the team has gotten hot for a weekend and made the Sweet 16. which is very good and i don't wanna diminish that accomplishment at all, because over the last couple decades that's the height of our bball success. but you could argue that Gott has not put together a single strong, complete regular season since he's been here. we struggled to make the NCAAT by the skin of our teeth 3 of 4 times and the year we weren't on the bubble we were preseason top 10 and stumbled to an 8 seed and a first round loss.

i was all in on Gott before this season...and hindsight is 20/20. but we weren't exactly a great team even in his best seasons. he's 47-51 in the acc. and he's 8-21 in the last season and a half. my point is, even his "successful" seasons were very close to being not at all successful and disappointing.

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 3:15 PM. Reason : f]

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 3:16 PM. Reason : ^yeah you made the point before i could post it...but gott's best teams were bubble teams]

2/9/2017 3:14:34 PM

There is a very thin line between success and failure in sports. Gott has figured out how to make a mediocre team successful. DD hasen't.

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"Please show me the games where NCSU football routinely gave up 70+ points a game and Doeren said it was okay."

9-23 conference record. Continually blaming the players for his poor coaching.

2/9/2017 3:21:50 PM

I've already forgotten the actual stat, but over the course of a few years, didn't gott have more wins than any other NCSU coach since the early 70s?

With that said, it seems pretty obvious the team is trending down, and with the talent and depth of thisseason's team, it's ridiculous how terrible we are. Count me in as someone who won't be disappointed if he's let go.

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"Gott has figured out how to make a mediocre team successful."

It seems that this year (and actually, other years too), he's figured out how to make a talented team not live-up to their full potential.

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 3:25 PM. Reason : ]

2/9/2017 3:24:27 PM

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"There is a very thin line between success and failure in sports. Gott has figured out how to make a mediocre team successful. DD hasen't. "

the argument could be made that the talent level on those teams was better than the on court results. it's not like he took a ragtag group of guys and made an NCAAT run. he squeaked into the tourney with multiple McDonalds AA's on some of those teams.

i think most State fans looked at this season as a real opportunity to break through the bubble/selection Sunday drama and have a team that actually looked the part during the regular season. and that this season would be a kinda turning point for Gott...making the leap from bubble team to top 25 ish level team solidly in the tourney. instead we're headed for Sidney Lowe levels of bad.

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"9-23 conference record."

it's a bad record. it speaks for itself. but it isn't trending downward. Gott's is trending downward rapidly. DD's worst season was his first and he's improved since. Gott's gotten worse since his and has put up back to back terrible season. DD hasn't even done that.

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 3:28 PM. Reason : f]

2/9/2017 3:27:19 PM

Can somebody compare their recruiting rankings? Obviously those aren't really right all the time but I feel like Gott is doing less with a lot "better" teams he's bringing in. If we were recruiting 3* players I'd understand being bad

2/9/2017 3:29:07 PM

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"I've already forgotten the actual stat, but over the course of a few years, didn't gott have more wins than any other NCSU coach since the early 70s?"

yeah...i think it was after his first 4 seasons. and it was impressive. but we also play a lot more games nowadays then back in the 80s and 70s

2/9/2017 3:29:32 PM

Gott's first team, though talented, had no idea how to win. He definitely coached them up. And the T.J. Warren year was a pretty mediocre team overall. Around early-mid Jan, we weren't even on the bubble to get into the tourney.

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"it's a bad record. it speaks for itself. but it isn't trending downward. Gott's is trending downward rapidly. DD's worst season was his first and he's improved since. "

It's impossible for him to not get better from 0 wins his first year. And we've actually got a worse record in years 3 and 4 than we had in year 2.

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 3:36 PM. Reason : 1]

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 3:36 PM. Reason : 1]

2/9/2017 3:32:30 PM

^I think you are confusing that year with the Lacey year when we started 3-6 in ACC play and Lacey hit the buzzer beater at GT to basically save the season.

Doeren has never had a team preseason ranked #6, a team filled with top 100 recruits, top 25 classes, etc.

2/9/2017 3:37:30 PM

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"t's impossible for him to not get better from 0 wins his first year. And we've actually got a worse record in years 3 and 4 than we had in year 2. "

you posted his ACC record, so that's what i was referring to. 0-8, then 3 straight years of 3-5.

2/9/2017 3:40:22 PM

^^That's because DD cant recruit either.

I am not confusing the years. The TJ Warren year was supposed to be a rebuilding year (we were young with not much depth). TJ Warren had a great second half of the season, and Barber finally figured out how to play within his speed.

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"Mark Gottfried began his third season as head coach of the Wolfpack having lost five of seven players who logged significant minutes (four of which were starters). They struggled for most of the season, finishing 9–9 in ACC play. However, the Wolfpack surprised many by making the semifinals of the ACC tournament by upsetting #11 Syracuse, who entered the tournament as a second seed. They eventually lost to a third seeded Duke team. They were selected as a #12 seed in the 2014 NCAA tournament, where they won over Xavier in the First Four before losing in the second round to St. Louis. They finished the season 22–14."

[Edited on February 9, 2017 at 3:46 PM. Reason : ^ OK, I'll conceed that DD has flatlined.]

2/9/2017 3:44:59 PM

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"Doeren has never had a team preseason ranked #6, a team filled with top 100 recruits, top 25 classes, etc."

Keep worshipping made up numbers and you'll keep getting disappointed.

2/9/2017 3:46:35 PM

Gott started with a MUCH better team than Doeren did. Not to mention in football you don't get to play the other doormats 2x a season like you do in basketball

2/9/2017 4:07:44 PM

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"And the T.J. Warren year was a pretty mediocre team overall. "

Oh you mean the TJ Warren team that had TJ FUCKING WARREN, OUR BEST NBA PLAYER IN LIKE 20 YEARS??

2/9/2017 4:17:51 PM