yeah, it must be the luck...

2/14/2005 1:27:24 PM

yeah cause there's no luck involved in poker.

2/14/2005 8:47:48 PM

^ yeah, if you think the game is luck, you should give it up

2/14/2005 11:10:08 PM

"The Turner" strikes again

Dealer: Game #1593174676 starts.
Dealer: Trny:9572856 Level:11
Blinds (400/800)
Dealer: ** Dealing down cards **
Dealer: david0603 calls [400].
Dealer: kickmynuts checks.
Dealer: ** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 4c, 7h ]
Dealer: kickmynuts is all-In [6262]
david0603: 68 any good????
kickmynuts: lol
Dealer: david0603 calls [6262].
Dealer: ** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]
kickmynuts: yes
Dealer: ** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
Dealer: kickmynuts shows two pairs, nines and sevens.
Dealer: david0603 shows a straight, five to nine.
Dealer: Congratulations to player david0603 for winning tournament 2 - Table
Dealer: Player kickmynuts finished in 2 place and received $300
Dealer: Player david0603 finished in 1 place and received $400
#1593174676: david0603 wins 14124 chips from the main pot with a straight, five to nine.
Dealer: david0603 has left the table.
Dealer: kickmynuts has left the table.

2/15/2005 12:18:19 AM

what the hell kind of payouts are those.. 300 for 2nd when 1st is only 400???
nice job anyhow


and in response to this:

Quote :

"well i got it to work finally, but i had the worst luck ive ever seen in my whole life. i lost $50 in 3 hours, and another $50 yesterday on partypoker. im serious when i say this, ill never play poker again for as long as i live, not just online, but in person too. i have a really nice 650 set of chips with aluminum case if anyone wants to buy them from me, it's about a $80 set, ive only had it for a short time, i'll sell it for $50. i officially quit. "

That's just fucking funny. I love watching people bitch about losing at poker almost as much as I love winning at poker myself. You clearly don't have the make up of a poker player if you can't handle losing $100 on a couple bad beats(I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one, even though I suspect you actually have no idea what you're doing). I, for one, walk around the room passing out $100 bills in this town. And it's all thanks to fish like you that play online thinking that poker is all about luck. I'd normally take the time to lecture you about the long run, which is one of my favorite tirades, but you already quit so there is no long run.

2/15/2005 6:02:06 AM

Yeah, I do my fair share of bitching, but when I have shitty luck, I usually break even. I'm just mad on those days because I know that without that shitty luck, I'd be up big. On days like yesterday, when my luck is pretty decent, I'll end up making $200-$400.

2/15/2005 7:38:27 AM

Its 40% 30% 20% 10% Jesus.

2/15/2005 8:37:59 AM

I'm not stupid enough to believe that poker is all about luck and no skill. I've studied poker statistics to know when I have pot odds to call and when I don't, that's not the issue. My issue is that I just can't seem to EVER win online with premium starting hands. Every time I get a pocket pair, EVERY TIME, I NEVER hit the set on the flop, I believe the odds are around 1 in 20 of hitting it off the flop, but I don't think I've gotten a set on the flop with my pocket pair for at least the last hundred times I've had them. Another thing that really pisses me off is whenever I get a good hand, someone just happens to get a better hand. 2 times in a row on PartyPoker when I hit a flush (2 suited in my hand, 3 suited on the table, NOT 1 suited with 4 on the table), I was beaten by a higher flush, 1 time I had Jack high, another I had Queen high, both beaten by Kings. Another time I had Ace Jack and the flop came A/10/2 and I raised a guy, and he went all-in, which I called (He tried to bluff with J/4 offsuit). Turn is a Queen, River is a King, one of only 2 possible 2-card combinations that could save him from losing. The last one which I already listed earlier was when I got pocket A's in the small blind, everyone calls the $.50 blind back around to me, I raise $2.75, get called by the big blind (he was holding A/8 suited) and another guy raises me $5 (holding 10/4 suited), I reraise all-in ($20 more), big blind calls and so does the 10/4 guy. Flop comes 567 followed by 8 and 9 on the turn and river, giving him the high straight for the $71 pot. It's just stuff like that OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I realize that it's not all luck but I seem to lose WAY TO MANY hands that I play perfectly and that I'm highly favored to win.

2/15/2005 6:22:32 PM

That's Party Poker....

2/15/2005 6:34:55 PM

Quote :

"I've studied poker statistics to know when I have pot odds to call and when I don't that's not the issue. "

Looks like you need to hit the books a little harder next time kid. This stat for flopping a set is way off.

Quote :

"I believe the odds are around 1 in 20 of hitting it off the flop"

[Edited on February 15, 2005 at 9:03 PM. Reason : damn you crazy code]

2/15/2005 9:01:13 PM

arent' the odds more like 1 out of 25 times?

hahaha i just realized that the 1/25 thing would be for just the next card. that is right, isnt it?

[Edited on February 15, 2005 at 9:21 PM. Reason : i suck at poker]

2/15/2005 9:07:58 PM

You will flop a set with a pocket pair about 1 out of 8 times.

2/15/2005 9:18:25 PM

normal odds for flopping a set- 1:8
my odds for flopping a set- 1:50

normal odds of getting a pocket pair- 1:17
my odds of getting a pocket pair- 1:60

normal odds of that pocket pair being higher than a 6- 1:2
odds of my pocket pair being higher than a 6- 1:10

2/15/2005 9:35:25 PM

oh yeah, i forgot to mention...

2/15/2005 9:36:23 PM

Do any of you people who post in this thread actually want to play tonight?

Oh and to make this relevant... I played in a poker tourney on Sat. and got first.


Now get dressed and come play. PM me for info.

2/15/2005 9:54:46 PM

i would, but im already playing with another group tonight, ill play this wknd if you wanna get another game.

yeah, i know, my retirement only last 24 hours.

2/15/2005 10:03:46 PM

I would play but I don't live in Raleigh anymore.

2/15/2005 10:40:54 PM

Quote :

"normal odds of that pocket pair being higher than a 6- 1:2"

2/16/2005 12:03:33 AM

Quote :

"I hit a flush (2 suited in my hand, 3 suited on the table, NOT 1 suited with 4 on the table), I was beaten by a higher flush, 1 time I had Jack high, another I had Queen high, both beaten by Kings."

It's not to hard to spot when somebody is betting on a flush and if you know you only have a jack or queen you should know better than to call any large bet.

2/16/2005 1:46:15 AM

http://www.bodog.com/acc

2/16/2005 3:37:03 AM

Quote :

"yeah, i know, my retirement only last 24 hours. "

hahah

2/16/2005 7:04:23 AM

^^^^
I think you missed the point, all I was saying is that nearly every time I get a pocket pair, its like 2's or 3's or 5's, rarely ever face cards, and that the odds are that at least 1 out of every 2 pocket pairs that you get will be over a 6 (it's actually even less, it's about 1 in 1.6).

2/16/2005 5:50:52 PM

^ what kind of math are you doing?

2/16/2005 6:12:18 PM

play tonight bastards

pm me for directions

its @ 7:30

2/16/2005 6:29:24 PM

^^basic math.

there's 13 possible pocket pairs, 5 of which are lower than or equal to 6 (2's, 3's, 4's, 5's and 6's), and 8 of which are higher than a 6 (7's, 8's, 9's, 10's, J's, Q's, K's and A's). so every time you get a pocket pair, your odds are that 5 out of 13 times, your pair will be a 6 or lower, and 8 out of 13 times, your pair will be a 7 or higher. it's not THAT complicated.

[Edited on February 16, 2005 at 7:13 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2005 7:12:02 PM

I got into a three way all-in hand where we all had "2 in hand" flushes

$60 pot
board (Jd 8d As 5d)
Short stack reraises all-in $49 (Qd-xd)
I reraise to $100 (Ad-10d)
next over puts me all in (Kd-xd)
I "consider" what the hell could he be betting all in with...
as I think...next over goes "Your two pair is no good" and flips over his K high flush

I call and collect

2/16/2005 7:34:22 PM

^wha?? he told you what he had before you bet? i should play with that guy, then i might actually win for once.

2/16/2005 7:36:52 PM

^^^ yea, no shit about the 8/13. why'd you say 1 in 2 in the first place? and then, why'd you say about 1 in 1.6? who does that? and last time i checked, "1 in 1.6" isn't less than a half. it's not THAT complicated.

2/16/2005 8:20:39 PM

Quote :

"play tonight bastards pm me for directions its @ 7:30"

Wed. is a bad night for me, Boobs. Set something up on Monday or Thursday after 9pm and I can do eeeeeeet.

Thursday after 9pm.

Tonight is a Thursday.

Tonight after 9pm.

C'mon, Boobs.

C'mon.

2/17/2005 6:49:34 AM

^^

Quote :

"and last time i checked, "1 in 1.6" isn't less than a half. it's not THAT complicated."

what the flip are you talking about? i never said anything about "half." I said that more often than not, your pocket pair should be higher than a 6, specifically 1 out of 1.6 pocket pairs.

It's ok man, you don't have to try to proove yourself, everyone already knows how much of a poker genius you must be, since even your username is devoted to your unparalleled enthusiasm of the game.



[Edited on February 17, 2005 at 1:05 PM. Reason : FYI, you asked about my math after I said 1.6, not before. ]

2/17/2005 12:53:16 PM

Quote :

"It's ok man, you don't have to try to proove yourself, everyone already knows how much of a poker genius you must be, since even your username is devoted to your unparalleled enthusiasm of the game."

blah blah blah. it's just a username. sorry i couldn't come up with something as witty as prep-e. why don't you quit again and go back to crying about how bad your 'luck' is .

2/17/2005 2:16:07 PM

How is it there's a bitch fight going on in this thread and Lil G isn't involved?

2/17/2005 4:13:29 PM

Hey hey... let's keep this poker related plzzzzzzzzz.

2/17/2005 4:15:53 PM

caught a bad beat last night: flopped 10-A straight, went all in, turn and river were fives, other guy pulled a full house QQ555 out of his ass, i was pissed, but I only lost a dollar so its all good

its fun playing with the roomies for rent or utility money

2/17/2005 5:39:14 PM

hahah

don't worry Erios, that post(^) should get Lil G's attention

prepare to be served, hyperlink style

2/17/2005 5:50:09 PM

Quote :

"blah blah blah. it's just a username. sorry i couldn't come up with something as witty as prep-e. why don't you quit again and go back to crying about how bad your 'luck' is ."

nigga please.

2/17/2005 9:40:26 PM

prep-e you fucking suck at life seriously

i cant imagine more suck coming from any other sucking thing the whole sucking fucking world

jesus christ

example 21930293842093

2/17/2005 9:48:22 PM

^geez.... who pissed in your corn flakes?

2/17/2005 11:34:15 PM

I had a rough first hand tonight at the Jillians tournament that might entertain a few people.

Like I said, this was the first hand of the game, so everyone had 5000 in chips, with the big blind at 200.

I get dealt pocket aces and raise to 400 pre-flop. 4 call.

The flop comes 8-J-J. I bet another 400, and get one call. At this point, I'm thinking he probably is playing a pocket pair, and 8, or maybe a decent high card, but probably isn't just checking on a set.

The turn shows another Jack, so I check to try to get a read. So does he. Now I refuse to believe he's slow playing 4 of a kind so hard that he won't bet anything.

Finally, the river shows an Ace. I bet 800, and he pushes all in. I call, thinking that the chances of him holding a Jack through that are slim, and I'm up against the other Ace or a high pocket pair. Anything but the Jack, right? Wrong.

Obviously, I would have given it more consideration if it wasn't tournament style and 100% free, but I still don't know if I played that wrong or not. I'm pretty sure that my opponent didn't get any sort of read on me, and I didn't think my play would suggest that I'd call the all in. Either way, it feels weird going out that fast when I'm used to finishing in the top 30% or so.

2/17/2005 11:53:09 PM

^I'm sure you'll catch some shit because this story isn't for real money but anyway.

1. No matter what anybody tells you, you do not want to go to a flop with 4 other people just because you have Aces.

2. He called your bet on the flop so he probably had something. with 4 people in the hand and the fact that it was a free tournament you can bet people will be playing most any face card.

3. If you thought your Aces were still good on the turn you should have bet it.

4. you had a sense you were behind on the turn because you checked it. you probably should have checked the river as well forcing him to bet to try and make something off of his 4 jacks. you could have just called and not lost all your chips. when you bet twice what you had bet the previous two times he knew you had a little something so he went all in with nothing to lose.

5. why not slow play the 4 jacks on the turn. he had the hand won and no card could come on the river to beat him.

2/18/2005 12:06:37 AM

Take some notes kiddies...

lisas8675309 posts small blind [$0.25].
Call2u posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lisas8675309 [ 8h As ]
>You have options at Table 12754 Table!.
pemmaster4 calls [$0.5].
Amack1 calls [$0.5].
papaworm calls [$0.5].
Daapeegoo calls [$0.5].
cy311 calls [$0.5].
wkurwiony folds.
funktunamonk calls [$0.5].
Psalms91 folds.
lisas8675309 calls [$0.25].
Call2u checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, Ac, 5s ]
lisas8675309 checks.
Call2u bets [$1].
pemmaster4 folds.
Amack1 folds.
papaworm folds.
Daapeegoo folds.
>You have options at Table 12754 Table!.
cy311 calls [$1].
funktunamonk folds.
lisas8675309 calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
lisas8675309 checks.
Call2u bets [$1].
cy311 calls [$1].
lisas8675309 calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
lisas8675309 checks.
Call2u bets [$20].
cy311 folds.
lisas8675309 calls [$20].
Call2u shows [ 5h, Js ] a full house, Fives full of aces.
lisas8675309 shows [ 8h, As ] a full house, Aces full of fives.
lisas8675309 wins $47.5 from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of fives.

2/18/2005 12:08:07 AM

^ So that means if you call the BB with A8 and get two Aces on the flop, you should slow-play to find out if someone has a better A-kicker or hope you catch the full-house and split.... awesome, got it thanks

BTW why didn't you raise on the river? Did you really think someone might be playing an A-10 or 5-5?

2/18/2005 12:24:47 AM

Quote :

"^I'm sure you'll catch some shit because this story isn't for real money but anyway."

I'm not sure how that really matters. I've caught bad hands playing for real money too, but this one was fresh in my mind, so I thought I'd share. Next time, I'll say it was high stakes poker so I sound cooler. Anyhow, I do appreciate the feedback and wanted to comment a little more on what I was thinking, hopefully without sounding too defensive.

Quote :

"1. No matter what anybody tells you, you do not want to go to a flop with 4 other people just because you have Aces. 2. He called your bet on the flop so he probably had something. with 4 people in the hand and the fact that it was a free tournament you can bet people will be playing most any face card."

I agree completely; the point of doubling the blind was to push out some of the chasers. Usually, that bet is sufficient to get the job done in these tournaments. Maybe I should have gone with something a little stronger here, but didn't want to end up just buying the blinds.

Quote :

"3. If you thought your Aces were still good on the turn you should have bet it. 4. you had a sense you were behind on the turn because you checked it. you probably should have checked the river as well forcing him to bet to try and make something off of his 4 jacks. you could have just called and not lost all your chips. when you bet twice what you had bet the previous two times he knew you had a little something so he went all in with nothing to lose. 5. why not slow play the 4 jacks on the turn. he had the hand won and no card could come on the river to beat him. "

The point is I didn't know if my aces were good on the turn. But, as you correctly point out, his not betting didn't reveal much, hence my problem on the river. The part that I was referring to as slow play was his not raising me post-flop when he hit a set of Jacks.

Keep the comments coming; I'm just trying to learn a little something here about how other players think. I do well at the numbers part of the game, but still have trouble with incorporating the play of my opponent into my odds. Had I been in his shoes, I may have re-raised after the flop, and I probably wouldn't have gone all in on the river thinking I'd never get called.

[Edited on February 18, 2005 at 12:35 AM. Reason : handsssss]

2/18/2005 12:33:35 AM

Quote :

" ^ So that means if you call the BB with A8 and get two Aces on the flop, you should slow-play to find out if someone has a better A-kicker or hope you catch the full-house and split.... awesome, got it thanks "

Exactly. Don't go into crazy "I have trips and am invincible" mode...

Quote :

"BTW why didn't you raise on the river? Did you really think someone might be playing an A-10 or 5-5?"

Actually I was almost sure he had the ace. He bet $20 at a $7 pot. This is quite common for n00bs to do when they have a one card high full house because they are tards and don't account for the massive rake party poker gets from us. I only had a few bucks left and didn't really bother to push all in. That is the kind of bet where the guy usually has the high full house and you are splitting or he has jack shit and won't call a reraise anyways.

2/18/2005 12:46:34 AM

*snore*

2/18/2005 1:07:06 AM

^^ gotcha, makes sense now...

2/18/2005 8:06:13 PM

Haha guess what I am doing now? That's right, playing in a $2 + $.20 20 person tourney!

I actually thought it said $20 +$2. Maybe I clicked on the wrong one or something. I just find it slightly amusing seeing as how I was playing in the tourney, doing pretty well, and then glance at the lobby and see the payouts.... I was like, wtf, how did I get in this lobby, and then I realized my stupid move. So now I am an hour into a 20 person tourney that I can win $20 for a net of $17.80.

2/19/2005 10:05:47 AM

Quote :

"Haha guess what I am doing now? That's right, playing in a $2 + $.20 20 person tourney!"

Damn Jim. You must have gotten a lot of bad beats on Party Poker to have been reduced to $2 tourneys.

2/19/2005 11:07:40 PM

You n00bs need to stop complaining when you lose $5 on a bad beat. Take this one outer for instance....

I was not in the hand obviously.

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to david0603 [ 5c 6h ]
Gondek24 folds.
monarch1111 raises [$2].
BFISKER calls [$2].
PcktAcesBran calls [$2].
NOFREECARDZ folds.
david0603 folds.
TOUTATIS folds.
Dolchick folds.
cobratran calls [$1.75].
Pore17 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 3h, 6c ]
cobratran checks.
monarch1111 bets [$2].
BFISKER raises [$4].
PcktAcesBran folds.
cobratran raises [$10].
monarch1111 folds.
BFISKER calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
cobratran bets [$15].
BFISKER calls [$15].
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
cobratran bets [$30].
BFISKER raises [$70].
cobratran is all-In [$33]
BFISKER shows [ 4h, 4c ] four of a kind, fours.
cobratran doesn't show [ 6s, 6d ] a full house, Sixes full of fours.
BFISKER wins $7 from side pot #1 with four of a kind, fours.
BFISKER wins $183.5 from the main pot with four of a kind, fours.

2/20/2005 1:51:43 AM

Oh man. I could def see some of you guys playing A8 like this...

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to david0603 [ 2h 8h ]
frankpil1 folds.
CRAZYACE_911 calls [$0.5].
myturn21 folds.
bumby folds.
chosinil folds.
zsaces calls [$0.5].
rcase_kc folds.
golf28 folds.
david0603 calls [$0.25].
marsvolta987 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, 3c, 8d ]
david0603 checks.
marsvolta987 bets [$2].
CRAZYACE_911 folds.
zsaces folds.
david0603 raises [$5].
marsvolta987 calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
david0603 bets [$5].
marsvolta987 calls [$5].
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
david0603 bets [$15.05].
marsvolta987 is all-In [$15.05]
david0603 shows [ 2h, 8h ] a full house, Eights full of twos.
marsvolta987 doesn't show [ Ad, 8s ] three of a kind, eights.
david0603 wins $49.5 from the main pot with a full house, Eights full of twos.

2/20/2005 2:33:16 AM