4:45 at crossroads i'll see this movie and then jump in the discussion. i can read spoilers 'cause I already know what happens

5/19/2005 12:36:39 PM

hey
did anybody else notice the tits on that chick when anakin was running to talk with palpy at that water show thing?

i was just like
Damn FDT!!!1

p.s.

wtf was that water bubble thing?

5/19/2005 12:41:36 PM

It was a space opera.

GET IT?

5/19/2005 12:48:19 PM

no
actually i don't

5/19/2005 12:56:58 PM

Phat movie, I thought. Made me want to watch all six episodes again.

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"I can't believe that fucking idiot lost to Obi-Wan because he basically made a dumb-shit move in the middle of a fight."

Wasn't he trying to use some dark side of the force? I don't even know what he was trying to do. He was pwnt like a bitch tho.

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"OMF QUI-GON LEARNED TO BE A GHOST AND I CAN TEACH YOU FOR FOUR INSTALLMENTS OF $19.99"

What I found interesting was that Obi-Wan had yet to receive that training at the end of episode three. Hadn't Luke received that training by the end of episode five?

5/19/2005 1:03:36 PM

huh?
qui-gon has only recently discovered it
it makes the whole "if you strike me down, i'll become more powerful than you can imagine" thing make more sense

5/19/2005 1:04:59 PM

interesting... perhaps the females pass on the trait (not to say that their aren't female jedi's, just not as many). for example leia is strong in the force, yet she never used it or became a jedi, her offspring would have the ability. or obi wans sisters kids could be candidates for jedi, or mace's, or any of the others.

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2005 1:05:50 PM

what makes you think luke had that training?

5/19/2005 1:07:17 PM

Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong thing. Doesn't Yoda tell Ob-Wan that he will train on Tattoine in order to talk to Qui-Gon? Maybe I mistook the dialogue and he was saying that Qui-Gon was there waiting to train Obi-Wan. Sorry for any confusion.

5/19/2005 1:09:54 PM

i think yoda was going to train obi wan so he could talk to qui gon on tattooine and meditate and smoke it up with him

5/19/2005 1:12:10 PM

word

5/19/2005 1:17:16 PM

I have no great words to type

the movie blew me away

gg Lucas

5/19/2005 1:25:45 PM

I think jedi can pass on the trait, but normally it shows up randomly like a mutation. Qui-gon was all casual about it when he told anakin "u might be force sensitive billy. isnt that a hoot?

5/19/2005 1:34:05 PM

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"interesting... perhaps the females pass on the trait (not to say that their aren't female jedi's, just not as many). for example leia is strong in the force, yet she never used it or became a jedi, her offspring would have the ability. or obi wans sisters kids could be candidates for jedi, or mace's, or any of the others."

wtf

You do realize you just watched a story about how a man passed down his Force-sensitivity, right?

In fact, not once within the Star Wars canon does a Force-sensitive woman give birth to any child, and all the births that are show/mentioned are those of non-Force-sensitive women giving birth to Force-sensitive children.

It's seriously just something that happens, though your children have much more potential to be force-sensitive if they have at least one parent who is. You know, like most genetic traits.

Also, Syfo-Dyas is probably just Sidious. I mean their names are so close (if you kill the 'fo').

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 1:41 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2005 1:36:41 PM

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"Also, Syfo-Dyas is probably just Sidious. I mean their names are so close (if you kill the 'fo')."

Interesting point, I was wondering about that last night.

5/19/2005 1:45:30 PM

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"You do realize you just watched a story about how a man passed down his Force-sensitivity, right?"

yes
but if you'll notice in my original post on this topic
i state that the jedi are not supposed to spread their seed (i assume this since they are forbidden to love)
so, anakin -in my estimation- is the exception to this...

5/19/2005 1:47:16 PM

Yea its reasonable to assume they are the same. Palpatine orchestrated the entire war, so he's likely the man who set up the clone army, planning to one day use it against the separatists.

5/19/2005 1:50:12 PM

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"Also, Syfo-Dyas is probably just Sidious. I mean their names are so close (if you kill the 'fo'). "

Syfo-dyas was supposedly killed around the same time the Clone army was commissioned. He was once a Jedi council member. I dont think he had anything to do with the army and that either Sideous, or Dooku just used his name. Remember that Jango Fett said he was commisioned by Tyrannus (Dooku)

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 1:52 PM. Reason : ]

5/19/2005 1:52:09 PM

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"In fact, not once within the Star Wars canon does a Force-sensitive woman give birth to any child, and all the births that are show/mentioned are those of non-Force-sensitive women giving birth to Force-sensitive children."

Yes, BUT--there are veiled references made in Ep6 to Leia being at least mildly Force-sensitive, and in the Thrawn trilogy (post Ep6 novels) Leia is not only receiving some Jedi training from her brother but she's also pregnant with Force-sensitive twins.

(yes, I'm reaching. Sue me)

5/19/2005 1:52:17 PM

So I am watching the movie and they get to the part where obiwan kanobi tells anakin to spy on palpatine and the movie cuts off and the lights come back on. THE PROJECTOR BREAKS!!!11111 this being at like 1:30am. They cant fix the projector so they have to tell everyone they will show it again at 3:00 am in anothe theatre, and give everyone three free movie passes.

Fucking never seen that shit happen ever. NEVER seen a projector just break. And it would be during the midnight showing of the last starwars.

So so so many pissed of nerds. Funny as shit kinda, even though I was one of them. So I watched it at 3-6 am. I couldnt not see it at that point.

Got to see the sun rise with my gf

^The force doesnt stick to any gender what-so-ever. If you can feel the force and you have children, they will feel the force force, period.(training plays a huge part in how good you are with it though)

And I never actually considered if the Jedi had children or not before the fall of the republic. I mean there are enough people to keep the Jedi ranks full that randomly have the force. But it seems to me that even though you are a Jedi, you would want to have children.....I mean come on.....That need is so basic, I wouldnt like to think it was forbiden.

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 2:03 PM. Reason : force blah]

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 2:05 PM. Reason : fhgg]

5/19/2005 1:55:28 PM

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"yes but if you'll notice in my original post on this topic i state that the jedi are not supposed to spread their seed (i assume this since they are forbidden to love) so, anakin -in my estimation- is the exception to this..."

Basically, children are found (at random) to be Force-sensitive and then are taken to the Jedi Academy. I'm just saying that the assertion that Force-sensitivity is somehow passed on through the women is odd given that it doesn't happen ever within canon.

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"Yes, BUT--there are veiled references made in Ep6 to Leia being at least mildly Force-sensitive, and in the Thrawn trilogy (post Ep6 novels) Leia is not only receiving some Jedi training from her brother but she's also pregnant with Force-sensitive twins."

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"In fact, not once within the Star Wars canon does a Force-sensitive woman give birth to any child, and all the births that are show/mentioned are those of non-Force-sensitive women giving birth to Force-sensitive children."

Canon != EU

In EU two Force-sensitive people give birth to a child who isn't. The whole Jedi thing is pretty much a wacky recessive gene.

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 1:57 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 1:57 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2005 1:55:35 PM

well i never made any assertions before you posted, so you're not talking to me

5/19/2005 1:59:07 PM

That's why I didn't quote you

5/19/2005 2:00:56 PM

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"Canon != EU"

Actually, according to Lucasfilm the novels carry just as much weight as the movies.

5/19/2005 2:01:08 PM

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"Also, Syfo-Dyas is probably just Sidious. I mean their names are so close (if you kill the 'fo')."

Here's the thing though, Sifo-Dyas HAD to have been a Jedi Master on the Council. Look at Obi-Wan's reaction when Taun We mentions it to him on Kamino. Obi-Wan mentioned that Syfo-Dyas was killed 10 years ago. If Sifo-Dyas was really Sidious, Obi-Wan would not have known the name or been able to mention that he was killed 10 years ago.

I think that when Dooku was leaving, he forged the order in Sifo-Dyas' name shortly after Sifo-Dyas died. The clones were then paid for by Palpatine simply misappropriating funds.

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"Yes, BUT--there are veiled references made in Ep6 to Leia being at least mildly Force-sensitive, and in the Thrawn trilogy (post Ep6 novels) Leia is not only receiving some Jedi training from her brother but she's also pregnant with Force-sensitive twins."

Not even really a veiled reference--it's pretty much obvious that Leia is the "other" that Yoda and Obi-Wan speak of.

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 2:04 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2005 2:01:38 PM

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"How come Qui Gon was not inserted or mentioned when ghosts appeared in the original 3 movies??? "

Qui-Gon is inserted into the original three, at the end with Obi-Wan's ghost and I believe at the beginning Obi-Wan mentions him. I can't remember for sure; I'll probably watch ANH tomorrow.

Some of my friends were disappointed with III but I liked it.

5/19/2005 2:03:36 PM

Qui-Gon got re-inserted into 4-6?

5/19/2005 2:05:23 PM

negative

5/19/2005 2:06:21 PM

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"Actually, according to Lucasfilm the novels carry just as much weight as the movies."

Quite the opposite is true.

5/19/2005 2:08:18 PM

lucas did get the name coruscant from the books

5/19/2005 2:09:00 PM

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"Actually, according to Lucasfilm the novels carry just as much weight as the movies."

Uh... no.

I mean if the novels carry an equal weight to the movies, then why do you have two Boba Fett origin stories? Or two different Clone Wars? Lucas doesn't mind EU, but in no way is it equal to canon.

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"lucas did get the name coruscant from the books"

I could swear Coruscant is mentioned in 4-6 at some point.

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2005 2:09:20 PM

i'm pretty sure it came from the zahn books but i could be wrong

5/19/2005 2:11:07 PM

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"i'm pretty sure it came from the zahn books but i could be wrong"

It did come from the Zahn books. Before that it had never been named.

5/19/2005 2:18:00 PM

Correct.

Lucas will take a small snippet here and there but he has no allegiance to the EU. The EU is designed to supplement Lucas (albeit poorly), not to govern what he can do with his films.

5/19/2005 2:31:48 PM

Just another way to sell to fans to make money with the liscense.

5/19/2005 2:38:58 PM

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"Yeah that part was bizzare to me. Why the crap could nobody figure out how to appear as a ghost before? How come Qui Gon was not inserted or mentioned when ghosts appeared in the original 3 movies???"

Qui-Gon was a believer in the "Living Force"--an ideology not believed by the Jedi council. Thus Qui-Gon was considered more of a rogue/outcast jedi by the council because they believed 2 conflicting interpretations of the force. Qui-Gon cvould have been on the jedi council if he had conformed to the popular belief of the force, but since he didn't the council was always weary of his actions and propositions to them. He taught Obi-Wan his interpretation of the Living Force. He mentions it several times to Obi-Wan and Anakin in Episode I. All the "trust your feelings, trust your instincts" stuff was how Qui-Gon believed you were supposed to use the force.

In Episode II, when Anakin is slaughtering the Tunsken Raiders we hear Qui-Gon's voice. Yoda's like "WTF is going on?! Why do I hear Qui-Gon?!" Maybe Anakin hears him too, maybe not, but we definitely know Yoda does.

So essentially, Qui-Gon has learned from his studying and practicing of the Living Force how to become apart of the Force after death. Essentially you die in body, but not in spirit, you become an entity within the Force that can help others who have learned to harness and control the power of the Force. By Episode III Qui-Gon has taught Yoda the ways of the Living Force, a theory Yoda had not practice before but now sees the power and product and benefits of. Yoda then teaches Obi-Wan, and the results can be seen in the original trilogy (Obi-Wan disappearing-"strike me down and i will be come more powerful than you can imagine blah blah blah, Luke not using the computer, yoda disappearing, anakin becoming a ghost dude)

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 3:00 PM. Reason : zxvdfsf]

5/19/2005 2:51:12 PM

i'm still adhering to my long standing suspicion that episodes 4-6 will be re-released with full storylines and original footage that was intentionally left out.

5/19/2005 3:05:56 PM

after sleeping on it

they should have explained the darth vader suit more instead of just putting it on

they should have explained his vitals like they did padme's, they shoulda gone over the suit and how it worked, and they shoulda gone over any alternatives

it coulda taken 3 minutes max, but they way they did it was too short

they ended the movie too abruptly, would anyone have really cared if it lasted another 15-20 minutes? they coulda shown yoda trying to figure out where to go hide.

people complained about return of the king never ending, but i think this movie coulda been longer and no one would complain

5/19/2005 3:10:06 PM

RoTK was an hour longer than Ep3.

I dont think the Darth Vader suit needed any explaination. It was pretty clear what it was for.

I do wish they explained why chose Dagobah. I mean, i know why, but it wouldve made more sense to others.

5/19/2005 3:15:17 PM

by longer i meant the ending, not the movie

the ending to ROTK just dragged on and on and on

the ending of EpIII just sorta ended

5/19/2005 3:18:52 PM

^YES! I agree completely! If anything, they could have shortened the beginning sequence when they were going to save the chancellor...
Other than that, I thought the movie was pretty good...

5/19/2005 3:27:52 PM

^^ I would love to see the originally trilogy, actually just ANH, with some of the left out scenes, especially w/ luke talking to his friends and watching organa's ship get taken by the star destroyer. What other scenes do you think he should include?

5/19/2005 3:29:07 PM

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" b)The Darth Vader "NOOOOO!" scream... "

everytime i think about that, i think of Calculon from Futurama

5/19/2005 3:29:19 PM

folks, the ending is abrubt because IT ISN'T THE ENDING

5/19/2005 3:35:30 PM

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"If anything, they could have shortened the beginning sequence when they were going to save the chancellor..."

but that was just spectacular to watch

it was like the best space war ever

the stupid bug droids were annoying

but the entire space battle sequence actually made me believe that cgi could be used in a perfect way, in a way that looked more real than anything i've ever seen before in a movie


to me, the opening sequence and the rest of the entire movie affected me like i can only imagine people felt like 30 years ago when they saw star wars for the first time

5/19/2005 3:35:34 PM

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"folks, the ending is abrubt because IT ISN'T THE ENDING"

its the ending of this movie

that's what i'm talking about

by ending of this movie, i mean the transitions that have to be made at the end of this movie to connect to the original movies

my complaint is they didn't handle the transitions as well as they could have

the deleted scenes better make up for this

5/19/2005 3:37:36 PM

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"He taught Obi-Wan his interpretation of the Living Force. He mentions it several times to Obi-Wan and Anakin in Episode I. All the "trust your feelings, trust your instincts" stuff was how Qui-Gon believed you were supposed to use the force. "

that makes a lot of sense when you think of luke cutting off the computer when taking out the death star

i seriously wanna watch the OT now

5/19/2005 3:41:31 PM

The opening scenes were indeed amazing. I was having braingasms

5/19/2005 3:45:53 PM

What I think I'm going to like is how Obi-Wan is always beating Vader. During the lightsaber fight, it was obvious that Obi-Wan was still the master. Anakin lost because he was overconfident in his abilities (remember Anakin always thinks he's better than Obi-Wan). When they meet again in Episode IV, Anakin claims that he was but the learner the last time they met (Ep3), but now he is the master. Kid never learns.

And then Obi-Wan has that ace in his pocket noting that Vader can't win, because Obi-Wan will pass on to a higher plane and become more powerful than he can possibly imagine, which he does.

5/19/2005 3:48:31 PM

this may be a small thing, but i was glad to see the ships in this one more resemble the ships from the original trilogy. one of the things that annoyed me about the first one is that everything looked so much more advanced with the way they went crazy with the cgi. this movie really brought everything together well. also, someone mentioned they felt cp30 having his memory wiped was a cop-out. I think in some ways it was, but at the same he did know the secret of luke and leia and they did not want to risk the emperor finding out. also not erasing r2's memory ties in with ep IV where luke talks about r2 having been the property of obi wan...however, i do find it odd that obi wan does not remember r2.

5/19/2005 3:51:41 PM