that judge is awesome

5/17/2006 8:40:12 AM

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"It's just faggy of him to stir the pot and get everyone pissed off at white/rich people and then refuse to even meet with the 3rd guy's lawyer nor make any comments what-so-ever."

agreed, but plenty of lawyers do this. they'll answer formal discovery or respond to motions and orders, but when it comes to a simple one on one conversation over the phone or in person they won't give you the time of day.

5/17/2006 8:47:17 AM

I think the accusor is going to stop cooperating with investigators before the trial even starts. (for all we know she may have already) That will give Nifong an easy out, when the charges get dismissed he can just claim its because the "victim" wanted to move on with her life and was not comfortable testifying. Then he does not lose face to all of the people in Durham who support the prosecution.

5/17/2006 10:03:55 AM

Then he does not lose face to all of the people in Durham who support the prosecution failed 6th grade twice.

5/17/2006 11:20:02 AM

^^I have a feeling you will be having an "I called it" post in the near future.

5/17/2006 11:28:32 AM

she's a ho...

5/17/2006 11:32:09 AM

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"I think the accusor is going to stop cooperating with investigators before the trial even starts. (for all we know she may have already) That will give Nifong an easy out, when the charges get dismissed he can just claim its because the "victim" wanted to move on with her life and was not comfortable testifying. Then he does not lose face to all of the people in Durham who support the prosecution."

I thought they should have done this before they went to trial.

5/17/2006 11:35:44 AM

i wonder if the klan still has a local presence to deal with the "accuser" if that is the way this ends up.

not that im racist, but everyone else seems to be. twould be a fitting end, an ironic twist to the black panther support of the "accuser", and the beginning of the end for the south.

5/17/2006 12:19:35 PM

^haha classic

5/17/2006 12:38:03 PM

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"agreed, but plenty of lawyers do this. they'll answer formal discovery or respond to motions and orders, but when it comes to a simple one on one conversation over the phone or in person they won't give you the time of day."

Maybe, but what is more odd to me in this case is that the prosecutor refused to see any of the defense's evidence. That is extremely odd - usually each side is scratching and clawing to get at every piece of evidence the other side has. When I have tried cases, I make extensive use of discovery - I want to know every crumb of evidence that the other side has. To be offered evidence by the other side and then refuse to look at it, is extremely weird.

[Edited on May 17, 2006 at 12:49 PM. Reason : very weird]

5/17/2006 12:49:21 PM

what part of nifong's prosecution of this case hasn't been extremely weird

5/17/2006 12:51:49 PM

you've got me there

5/17/2006 12:54:14 PM

^^ me too

5/17/2006 12:56:54 PM

Wolfpack2K: then you're a good attorney and i would enjoy doing business with you. you scratch my back i scratch yours kinda deal.
a few that i've had to work with have been a hassle to try and get info even after we've requested in discovery--and they're the kind that are known for giving the otherside the runaround.

[Edited on May 17, 2006 at 1:12 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on May 17, 2006 at 1:15 PM. Reason : ]

5/17/2006 1:12:20 PM

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"RALEIGH, N.C. -- Dave Evans, who was recently indicted in connection with the Duke lacrosse rape investigation, said he took a polygraph test on his own to prove he was not involved in the alleged incident. David Evans' Polygraph Test Results A woman, who is a student at North Carolina Central University, claims she was raped and beaten by three members of the Duke lacrosse team at an off-campus party, where she was hired as an exotic dancer. Evans, 23, said he offered to take a polygraph test, but he said police investigators refused his offer. Evans took one, which was administered by Robert J. Drdak, a former special agent with the FBI with 28 years of experience. Drdak asked two separate series of questions during the polygraph test."

http://www.wral.com/news/9230210/detail.html


The defence didn't do those tests. He went out on his own and took them. Do I have my sides mixed up again or am I reading that article wrong?

5/17/2006 3:46:28 PM

dave evans = the defense
stripper girl = prosecutor

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"The prosecution did the tests to get a big "in your face" to the defence."

no, dave evans, the defense, did the test to show he was telling the truth. the prosecution didn't want to hear it.

5/17/2006 3:54:52 PM

Evans is the defense, not the prosecution. The prosecutor is the DA, Nifong.

5/17/2006 3:56:04 PM

NCSU really needs to start stressing reading comprehension.

5/17/2006 4:03:08 PM

humandrive, I tried to tell you.

5/17/2006 11:40:06 PM

yeah I messed up pretty bad.

5/17/2006 11:40:40 PM

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"District Attorney Mike Nifong (seated, left) laughs as defense attorney Kirk Osborn requests a bond reduction for Reade Seligmann."

Ok now I do understand vigorously representing your position, but laughing in a situation like this is entirely uncalled for. Even if Nifong has no respect for the defendant or the defense attorney, he should at least have nominal respect for the court. If I had been the judge, Nifong would be sitting in jail tonight.

5/18/2006 7:17:21 PM

^ same here.

5/18/2006 9:18:09 PM

I think there are still suprises in store.

Its really gonna be over if the stripper was making phone calls when she was supposedly being raped.

5/18/2006 11:24:13 PM

^why? none of the other evidence seems to get in the way, lets just put the boys in jail and be done with it.

5/19/2006 12:32:24 AM

5/19/2006 12:33:48 AM

i bet it was Duke LaCrosse players that made that made those professor flick pics

5/19/2006 2:46:28 AM

they should drop this like the flick thing

5/19/2006 4:23:35 AM

Judge Says Duke Lacrosse Case Won't Be On Fast Track
http://www.wral.com/news/9236151/detail.html

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"The prosecutor has said he doesn't expect any trial to begin before next year, and Superior Court Judge Ronald L. Stephens gave no indication he would put the lacrosse case on a fast track."

Looks like Durham will be a divided community for quite a long time... not that it already wasn't. At least I wasn't mistaken when I thought that the trial hadn't begun yet. I was confused when BridgetSPK said: "I thought they should have done this before they went to trial". Well, they have a year to do it before they go to trial.

[Edited on May 19, 2006 at 7:28 AM. Reason : -]

5/19/2006 7:25:45 AM

It looks like the accusers parents are hiring a scumbag, Johnny Cochrane type lawyer to lay the groundwork for a civil trial. The guys website is terrible, it has him with Bentleys and talks about his new private jet with gold sinks and stuff. Absolutely the worst of American "justice".

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195753,00.html

5/22/2006 11:00:10 AM

Somebodys gonna get "raped" in civil court. I think it will be the accusor however.

5/22/2006 11:19:43 AM

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"Its really gonna be over if the stripper was making phone calls when she was supposedly being raped."

but isn't it possible that one of the lacrosse players was actually making those phone calls on her phone as a way to cover-up what happened?!!/>?

5/22/2006 11:20:26 AM

http://www.wral.com/video/9241111/detail.html

Has anyone thought about maybe getting together a pro-players, or at least pro-due process, group together to go to the next court date and counter these people by holding up supportive signs and "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" chants?

Ordinarily I would rather have a nose on my ass than go to Durham for any reason, but for that, I would drive up there from Georgia.

[Edited on May 22, 2006 at 11:26 AM. Reason : link]

5/22/2006 11:25:19 AM

they'd be able to verify the numbers with numbers she used in the past and also to go to the individuals who were called about it

5/22/2006 11:26:13 AM

I wonder if they will use the Chewbacca defense

5/22/2006 11:31:19 AM

I watched the big story (or whatever its called) the other night on TV. They have one anchor and 3 people on who argue their points on national tv.

First time i ever seen all three agree on something. Pretty much they all said that Mike Nifong was "a deer in headlights" and the "defense is doing a great job".

They were also talking about the civil suit. They all agreed also that the defense wouldn't do it.

[Edited on May 22, 2006 at 11:35 AM. Reason : s]

5/22/2006 11:32:08 AM

I am wondering how waiting a year or more just for the trial to start can be considered speedy justice. And I wonder how many other people are sitting in jail, falsely accused because they can't afford bail.

5/22/2006 11:43:23 AM

From Newsweek

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"Across town, at NCCU, the mostly black college where the alleged victim is enrolled, students seemed bitterly resigned to the players' beating the rap. "This is a race issue," said Candice Shaw, 20. "People at Duke have a lot of money on their side." Chan Hall, 22, said, "It's the same old story. Duke up, Central down." Hall said he wanted to see the Duke students prosecuted "whether it happened or not. It would be justice for things that happened in the past." (On a bulletin board in the student lounge was a long list of students with grades high enough to qualify for the Golden Key International Honour Society. On the list was the name of the alleged rape victim.)"

5/22/2006 2:43:01 PM

Stop all the lie detector test talk. They mean nothing. These tests measure things like breathing rate, heart rate, prespiration, etc while asking questions. This means that the tests can be false due to nerviousness, etc.

It also means someone who is informed can beat them be over exaggerating the control question and under exaggerating the question were they force you to lie.

Or if you are chuck norris you can beat it because your a badass and always in control of things like breathing rate, etc.

5/22/2006 2:56:51 PM

due process has gone to shit in this country anyways


fuck the judicial system

and that whole innocent until proven guilty shit is nonsense

5/22/2006 3:04:40 PM

guilty until proven innocent....

or in this case guilty until.....ummm nevermind he's guilty cause she is black

5/22/2006 3:06:39 PM

Has Nancy Grace covered this at all?

5/22/2006 3:18:38 PM

some other racist shit will happen
and everyone will forget about it

5/22/2006 3:19:03 PM

evans passed the lie detector

mangum didn't

nifong didn't

5/22/2006 3:23:45 PM

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"It looks like the accusers parents are hiring a scumbag, Johnny Cochrane type lawyer to lay the groundwork for a civil trial."

Why is Johnny Cochrane a scumbag?

5/22/2006 3:46:26 PM

because he's black and successful. DUH

5/22/2006 4:16:11 PM

^agreed, just b/c cochrane was a damn good lawyer and was good enough to eat holes all over the prosecution in the OJ case doesnt make him more of a scumbag than any other lawyer out there.

5/22/2006 4:16:23 PM

Johnny Cochrane was a race card pulling bullshit artist, and the fact that he could sit there with a straight face and tell the cameras that he hopes someday they can find Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman's killer jsut shows you how immoral he was. Everybody knows OJ did that shit.

5/22/2006 4:21:48 PM

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"agreed, just b/c cochrane was a damn good lawyer and was good enough to eat holes all over the prosecution in the OJ case doesnt make him more of a scumbag than any other lawyer out there."

I don't think you get it... if Cochrane were white people wouldn't hate him any less. He epitomizes everything people hate in lawyers.

5/22/2006 4:32:40 PM

Exactly, he's like Keanu Reeves character in The Devils Advocate. Being a good lawyer has nothing to do with being a good person or being ethical. Its like the scumbag lawyer Richard Giampa who defends rappers who murder people. He even sued here in NC to keep the public from using the beach in front of million dollar homes.

5/22/2006 4:42:36 PM

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"Johnny Cochrane was a race card pulling bullshit artist, and the fact that he could sit there with a straight face and tell the cameras that he hopes someday they can find Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman's killer jsut shows you how immoral he was. Everybody knows OJ did that shit. "

he'd be more of a scumbag if he got paid millions of dollars for his services and didn't do the best job he possibly could. that's what defense lawyers are required to do.

5/22/2006 4:46:32 PM