Quote :

"while then proclaiming that you, who is likely a middle class white male, is the REAL minority. Ha!"

do you sit around and class your friends and family this way?
oh this group is _____. i will treat them this way and give them ____.


well good luck keeping friends. i treat them as individuals with no regards to skin color like you seem to love judging and guessing as if it mattered by your own remarks.^ that's not borderline racism my friend. that IS racism. welcome back to reality

[Edited on April 17, 2008 at 11:02 AM. Reason : .]

4/17/2008 11:01:27 AM

"The new data shows that the top-earning 25% of taxpayers (AGI over $62,068) earned 67.5% of the nation's income, but they paid more than four out of every five dollars collected by the federal income tax (86%). The top 1% of taxpayers (AGI over $364,657) earned approximately 21.2% of the nation's income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 39.4% of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1% of tax returns paid about the same amount of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95% of tax returns."

Can you tell me how many people make up the top 1%? Id like to know. I think our current tax system is unfair.

Moron, since you brought up racism. Do you have problems with this quote:

"I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost.”"

4/17/2008 11:11:06 AM

it's impossible for people that go against the majority to be racist. i'm pretty sure

you could always just check back a few posts later for further evidence of this.

4/17/2008 11:53:44 AM

Quote :

"Moron, since you brought up racism. Do you have problems with this quote: "I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost.”" "

No, do you?

4/17/2008 10:39:41 PM

Quote :

"Can you tell me how many people make up the top 1%? Id like to know. I think our current tax system is unfair."

I would guess it's around 2 million people, since not everyone is a taxpayer.

According to Obama, these people didn't want a tax break back in 2001. It was forced on them.



[Edited on April 17, 2008 at 11:33 PM. Reason : 2]

4/17/2008 11:31:07 PM

I doubt they didn't want it, but i'd bet they are not too concerned about it either.

4/18/2008 12:09:37 AM

moron, I do. I dont think it adheres to american ideals.

I bet if it was "white" in there instead you would have an issue with it. I could be wrong.

4/18/2008 12:21:04 AM

So helping your friends and family that have been hurt by gov. policy, and are often oppressed by society is against the American ideals?

I'm not going to call you a racist, but can you see why someone like terpball would think you are, because what you're implicitly saying is that it's wrong for blacks to make it a priority to help themselves out of the economic hole their entire society was cast in to, and they're still digging their way out of. Do you not feel that blacks reaching economic stability and equality with the rest of society wouldn't be good for America as a whole?

The reason it would be racist for a white person to say the same is because there's no systemic oppression and has never been systemic oppression against whites in the United States. What reason would they have for making white interests a priority above other interests? The only reasons would be stupidity or racism.

4/18/2008 1:30:45 AM

Another Obama flip-flop:

Transcript of Obama's race speech

Quote :

"I can no more disown [Rev. Jeremiah Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother. . . ."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/18/obama.transcript/

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU

Transcript: Obama and Clinton Debate
Full Transcript of the Democrats' Before Pennsylvania Primary
April 16, 2008

Quote :

"OBAMA: And, you know, the notion that somehow that the American people are going to be distracted once again by comments not made by me, but somebody who is associated with me that I have disowned, I think doesn't give the American people enough credit. STEPHANOPOULOS: You've disowned him? OBAMA: The comments, comments that I've disowned. Then that is not something I..."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=2

I was for Reverend Wrong--before I was against him. FLIP-FLOP!

4/18/2008 8:34:11 AM

Yet another Obama flip-flop:

Obama Dropped Flag Pin in War Statement
Obama Stops Wearing Flag Pin, Says He'll Show Patriotism Through Ideas
Oct. 4, 2007

Quote :

"An eagle-eyed reporter for the ABC affiliate in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, noticed something missing from Democratic presidential contender Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., lapels. 'You don't have the American flag pin on. Is that a fashion statement?' the reporter asked, at the end of a brief interview with Obama on Wednesday. 'Those have been on politicians since Sept. 12, 2001.' The standard political reply to that question might well have been, "My patriotism speaks for itself." But Obama didn't say that. Instead the Illinois senator answered the question at length, explaining that he no longer wears such a pin, at least in part, because of the Iraq War. 'You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin,' Obama said. 'Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest [emphasis added]. 'Instead,' he said, 'I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism.'"

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3690000&page=1

Obama dons flag pin once again
April 15, 2008

Quote :

"WASHINGTON, Pennsylvania (CNN) –- For the first time since a mini dust-up back in October, Democrat Barack Obama wore an American flag pin Tuesday at a town hall meeting with veterans in Pennsylvania. But he didn't show up wearing the pin–instead, a Vietnam era veteran presented it to him on the ropeline as Obama made his way to the podium at the start of the event. 'I was just handed this,' Obama said. 'It's a flag pin. I think I'll go ahead and put that on.' He then did just that [emphasis added]."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/15/obama-dons-flag-pin-once-again/

FLIP-FLOP!

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 2:07 AM. Reason : .]

4/21/2008 2:04:09 AM

I can't tell if your roll-eyes is at the absurdity of the flag-pin thing, or you genuinely think this is a flip-flop.

^^ same goes for that too. Just in case you didn't realize (and I KNOW you did you disingenuous POS), Obama clearly noted that he disowned the comments of Wright, which is what he'd been saying all along.

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 2:08 AM. Reason : ]

4/21/2008 2:06:39 AM

^ If you decide that you won't wear a certain pin on your lapel because it's a "substitute for. . .true patriotism," which is itself an elitist statement, and then you wear it, what would you call it? Sure as hell looks like a flip-flop to me and a lot of other people.

And, yeah, Obama tried to slide that one by, but Stephanopoulos--to his credit--didn't let him:

Quote :

"OBAMA: And, you know, the notion that somehow that the American people are going to be distracted once again by comments not made by me, but somebody who is associated with me that I have disowned, I think doesn't give the American people enough credit. STEPHANOPOULOS: You've disowned him? OBAMA: The comments, comments that I've disowned. Then that is not something I. . . ."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=2

The "disowned" issue was an attempted flip-flop and the flag-pin issue is a definite flip-flop. And if you don't think either is, I don't really give a shit. How about addressing these flip-flops:

Top Obama Flip-Flops

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"1. Special interests In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as 'special interest' money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of 'working people' and says he is 'thrilled' by their support. 2. Public financing Obama replied 'yes' in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. Obama has now attached several conditions to such an agreement, including regulating spending by outside groups. His spokesman says the candidate never committed himself on the matter. 3. The Cuba embargo In January 2004, Obama said it was time 'to end the embargo with Cuba' because it had 'utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro.' Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not 'take off the embargo' as president because it is 'an important inducement for change.' 4. Illegal immigration In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should 'crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants.' He replied 'Oppose.' In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that 'we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation.' 5. Decriminalization of marijuana While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/24/AR2008022402094.html



[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 2:23 AM. Reason : .]

4/21/2008 2:21:10 AM

Quote :

"If you decide that you won't wear a certain pin on your lapel because it's a "substitute for. . .true patriotism," which is itself an elitist statement, and then you wear it, what would you call it? Sure as hell looks like a flip-flop to me and a lot of other people."

Considering you quoted this part:

Quote :

"But he didn't show up wearing the pin–instead, a Vietnam era veteran presented it to him on the ropeline as Obama made his way to the podium at the start of the event. "

You're dumber than a brick if you think Obama would reject wearing a pin given to him by a veteran while he was on the campaign trail.

And if those are Obama's "top" flip flops, then he's already a league above McCain.

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 2:33 AM. Reason : ]

4/21/2008 2:29:42 AM

cause more people donate money to him than clinton and mccain combined

4/21/2008 2:30:20 AM

^^ and ^ Great--a moron and a retard. So much for Obama's "true patriotism" statement of not wearing a flag pin, am I right? So, your position is that Obama abandoned his principles for a mere photo op? GG, dumbass!

And I invite any of you to address--point by point--the Washington Post's list of Obama's flip-flops. Let's see it.



[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 2:50 AM. Reason : Fixed, fuckface.]

4/21/2008 2:39:11 AM

Quote :

" So, you're position is that Obama abandoned his principles for a mere photo op? GG, dumbass! "

My are? Dumbass.

So in your mind, Obama should completely disrespect veterans? Because that's apparently what you want him to do, you unpatriotic dimwit.

4/21/2008 2:42:07 AM

^ You think you're so goddamned smart, but your logic is so fucking flawed. So, Obama has to wear everything a veteran gives him? The answer is, of course, self-evident.

And couldn't Obama just have said thanks, put the flag pin in his pocket, and stuck to his stated principles? What's wrong with that?

No, instead Obama decided to pander--I think that's quite clear. And the pandering led to a flip-flop.

I ask you again:

Quote :

"So, your position is that Obama abandoned his principles for a mere photo op? GG, dumbass! "

4/21/2008 2:55:05 AM

Quote :

"So, Obama has to wear everything a veteran gives him? The answer is, of course, self-evident. And couldn't Obama just have said thanks, put the flag pin in his pocket, and stuck to his stated principles? What's wrong with that? "

Haha, are you serious?

This doesn't deviate from Obama's principles. He wasn't wearing the pin to show a feigned sense of patriotism. He was wearing it to show a respect to the guy that gave it to him.

4/21/2008 3:50:57 AM

if he woulda not wore the pin the military dude gave him, hooksaw woulda went crazy on him not wearing it

4/21/2008 3:56:36 AM

yeah, bashing him over the flag pin thing is beyond retarded.

4/21/2008 4:03:34 AM

^^ there would have been someone (probably terpball ) defending him though in that same scenario.

4/21/2008 4:10:13 AM

^^ and ^ I'm just saying it's another flip-flop by Obama. And I think I've clearly demonstrated this.

1. Obama had been wearing the flag pin just as others did after 9-11.

2. Obama stopped wearing the flag pin to make some sort of statement--in his own words--concerning patriotism.

3. Obama--"at a town hall meeting with veterans in Pennsylvania," which obviously has an upcoming and crucial primary--put the flag pin back on.

4. Pandering:

Quote :

"In politics, pandering is to portray one's views to fit in line with a certain crowd of voters the candidate is attempting to impress, when often, these are not the candidate's true beliefs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandering

Quote :

"'Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.'"

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3690000&page=1

--Barack Obama

Quote :

"'It's a flag pin. I think I'll go ahead and put that on.'"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/15/obama-dons-flag-pin-once-again/

--Barack Obama

That's not pandering? To a group of veterans? Right before a crucial primary? Really?!

5.

Quote :

"And couldn't Obama just have said thanks, put the flag pin in his pocket, and stuck to his stated principles? What's wrong with that?"

hooksaw

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 4:29 AM. Reason : .]

4/21/2008 4:26:43 AM

Quote :

"if he woulda not wore the pin the [Vietnam veteran] dude gave him, hooksaw woulda went crazy on him not wearing it "

4/21/2008 4:40:43 AM

This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read.

4/21/2008 4:46:45 AM

fucking Christ, yes, you are technically correct, but what you are arguing is meaningless and inconsequential, and it's counterproductive to harp on silly shit like that (not to mention annoying).

When I run for office in 20 years, are you gonna dredge up a picture of me eating asparagus along with evidence of me clearly stating my hatred for asparagus and refusing to eat it--when I was 9?

4/21/2008 5:06:35 AM

^^ Yeah, I'm sure. But if flag pins really don't matter--as you seem to be suggesting--why did Obama start wearing one, then stop wearing one, and then start wearing one again while appearing before a group of veterans just before a crucial primary?

And there's this:

Who Made an Issue Out of the Flag Lapel Pin?
Jake Tapper, ABC News' Senior National Correspondent

Quote :

"It was October in Iowa. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, was trailing in the polls. He needed to appeal to anti-war liberal Democrats. He was doing an interview with KCRG-TV the ABC News affiliate in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, at the end of which the reporter asked, 'You don't have the American flag pin on. Is that a fashion statement?' Obama could have said any number of things. What he said: 'You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest. Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism.' So…wasn't it Obama who made an issue out his not wearing a flag lapel pin? As he was campaigning (ultimately quite successfully) to win the votes of anti-war liberal Democrats [emphasis added]?"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/who-made-an-iss.html

Obama pandered when he took the flag pin off (to anti-war liberals in Iowa and elsewhere) and now he's pandering by putting it back on (to veterans and others in Pennsylvania and elsewhere). Basically. . .FLIP-FLOP!!!1

^ This issue is not inconsequential. It is helping to support an image among some of Obama--whether real or perceived--that is unpatriotic and untrustworthy. Google the flag pin shit for yourself--there is a lot of discussion about this issue out there.

And calling voters that care about this and related issue stupid won't win Obama any votes. And, yes, some of them would have voted for him otherwise.

BTW, if you run for president, never say anything back about any produce:

Quote :

"One of the darkest days in American history was March 22, 1990. On this day, the President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, declared in a news conference that: He did not like broccoli, he hasn't liked it since he was a little kid, and that he is 'the President of the United States and . . . [he's] 'not going to eat any more broccoli.' In addition, the President also banned broccoli from the White House and Air Force One menus. Luckily, forward-thinking broccoli growers from California shipped 10 tons of broccoli to the White House. Sadly, Bush refused to try the broccoli and it was donated to local food banks. While some broccoli historians question the impact of President Bush's anti-broccoli stance, in fact, the U.S.D.A. reports that U.S. broccoli consumption hit an all-time peak the year before he took office and then declined by as much as 15% during his presidency."

http://eatbroccoli.org/politics.aspx

The broccoli folks hate Bush 41 to this day.

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 5:27 AM. Reason : .]

4/21/2008 5:17:25 AM

Quote :

"start wearing one again while appearing before a group of veterans just before a crucial primary"

He didn't "start wearing one" someone gave him one at the speech, and he wore it.

He didn't wake up that morning and think "hey, i'm going to wear this pin today."

And not wearing a pin is not pandering to anti-war types. Anti-war types don't give a shit if someone wears a pin or not, and probably some of them prefer him to wear a pin.

4/21/2008 5:21:04 AM

^ Here's the flag pin mentioned--among more important things--by a defender of Obama:

About Obama's terrorist acquaintance
Steve Chapman
April 20, 2008

Quote :

"When William F. Buckley Jr. died in February, one of the things widely praised, by liberals and others, was his stalwart insistence on moral hygiene. Even when his conservative movement was small and embattled, he rejected the temptation to join forces with anti-Semites, the John Birch Society and other extremists. Later, he disavowed longtime confederates Pat Buchanan and Joseph Sobran for the sin of bigotry. Buckley knew the importance of choosing allies carefully. But some people who expect such care from conservatives don't practice it themselves. Among many liberals, extremism in the defense of 'social justice' is no vice. When the folk singer Pete Seeger got a medal from President Clinton, no one cared that he was a veteran apologist for Stalin and that he still regarded himself as a communist. That indifference betrayed a double standard that conscientious liberals should reject. By that standard, Barack Obama is a liberal, but not a conscientious one. I don't much care if he declines to wear a flag pin; I can overlook his wife's limited capacity for patriotic pride; and I defended his relationship with his former pastor. But his comfortable association with an unrepentant former terrorist should induce queasiness in anyone who shares the humane values that Obama extols. When the issue came up in Wednesday's Democratic debate, the Illinois senator tried to duck it. 'This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from,' he said. He added that to suggest 'knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense.' Obama went on, 'I'm also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who during his campaign once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions. Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn's statements?' This exercise in moral equivalence is unconvincing, if not dishonest. Would Obama be friendly with someone who actually bombed abortion clinics and defends that conduct? Not likely. But he is friendly with William Ayers, a leader of the radical Weather Underground, which in the 1970s carried out numerous bombings, including one inside the U.S. Capitol. (Though the last person who should object is Hillary Clinton, whose husband pardoned two Weather Underground members.) Obama minimized his relationship by acknowledging only that he knows Ayers. But they have quite a bit more of a connection than that. He's appeared on panels with Ayers, served on a foundation board with him and held a 1995 campaign event at the home of Ayers and his wife, fellow former terrorist Bernardine Dohrn. Ayers even gave money to one of his campaigns. It's not as though Ayers and Dohrn have denied or repudiated their crimes. After emerging from years in hiding, they escaped federal prosecution because of government misconduct in gathering evidence, but they don't pretend they were innocent. In 2001, Ayers said, 'I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough.' Dohrn has likewise rationalized the explosions, claiming that 'our acts of resistance were tiny and symbolic.' She even went to prison for refusing to testify about an armored-car robbery involving her confederates. That crime was not tiny or symbolic to the two police officers or the security guard who were shot to death in the process [emphasis added]. All this is public record, and Barack Obama would have to be in a coma not to know it. Yet he showed no qualms about consorting with Ayers and Dohrn. It's hard to imagine he would be so indulgent if we learned that John McCain had a long association with a former Klansman who used to terrorize African-Americans. Obama's conduct exposes a moral blind spot about these onetime terrorists, who get a pass because they a) fall on the left end of the spectrum and b) haven't planted any bombs lately. You can tell a lot about someone from his choice of friends. What this friendship reveals is that when it comes to practicing sound moral hygiene, Obama has work to do and no interest in doing it."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0420chapmanapr20,1,2975893.column

Hear, hear! BTW, this shit's going to stick like glue--it may be even more damaging than the Reverend Wrong hate fest.

These are unfortunate souls killed by the Weather Underground:

Sergeant Edward O'Grady II



Officer Waverly Brown



Security Officer Peter Paige

(No photo available)

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 6:09 AM. Reason : ]

4/21/2008 5:42:27 AM

This thread is getting comical. Well, more than it already was

4/21/2008 9:03:36 AM

anyone that thinks obama has a shot at beating mCcain is only fooling themselves.

4/21/2008 12:23:26 PM

As long as we keep this thread alive so I can quote you all on this when he wins.

4/21/2008 12:30:40 PM

I am waiting for some news report on how someone was called racist because they choose not to support obama

4/21/2008 12:34:40 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2143242920080421

"Obama struggles to win white vote in rural Pa."

4/21/2008 12:53:20 PM

4/21/2008 12:57:14 PM

^haha. Look at the old white guy in the back. I dont think he has any idea why everyone is clapping, he is just taking his ques from the guy infront of him who knew exactly what Obama was doing.

4/21/2008 1:14:31 PM

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 1:23 PM. Reason : +]

4/21/2008 1:17:22 PM

Quote :

"^haha. Look at the old white guy in the back. I dont think he has any idea why everyone is clapping, he is just taking his ques from the guy infront of him who knew exactly what Obama was doing. "

Are you saying white people don't understand what the brushing your shoulders off gesture means? I'm pretty sure they do... Jay-z did not invent it.

4/21/2008 1:33:48 PM

Im saying exactly what i wrote terp. I dont think he knows why he was clapping. He seems to be reacting to the first guy who immediately got it. I find it funny.

4/21/2008 1:37:13 PM

^ Obama couldn't possibly have been actually stating what the gesture meant

4/21/2008 1:43:28 PM

^^I wonder why you would think he doesn't know why he's clapping. Seems weird to me. What the hell would make you think that the white guy doesn't know why he's clapping? I think he knows exactly why he's clapping - Obama made a few statements about how he wasn't going to let the dirty politics from Clinton's camp phase him - said he was letting it roll off his back, and he was pretty much "brushing it off" as if her attempts were futile. People clapped. Not too fucking hard to understand.

I guess for you it would be easier to think he's white and he's supporting a black guy so he must be stupid, right?

[Edited on April 21, 2008 at 1:45 PM. Reason : ]

4/21/2008 1:45:27 PM

again terp, you are right on. While thats no where NEAR what I said, that is EXACTLY what i meant.

I gathered my opinion from how he reacts and looks around. Looks funny to me. LIke he is trying to figure it out.

How does it feel to spend your days looking around for shit to weave into some sort of race issue?

His reaction is funny to me, it isnt to you. I get it. I can live with it, you cant seem to. Its not a race issue, hell its not even a political one. You have a good day sir.

4/21/2008 2:02:24 PM

I am White and I don't know what brushing your shoulder means

4/21/2008 2:03:34 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1609048460993632318&q=obama+shoulder&ei=F9EMSMHvN4GwlgTCs-2tBA

Go to 2:20 you can figure it out be the context

4/21/2008 2:08:23 PM

That's what you gotta do.

4/21/2008 2:09:56 PM

Quote :

"How does it feel to spend your days looking around for shit to weave into some sort of race issue? "

Well, it may seem like that to you, because of the amount of racist BS you smear all over this site. The sick thing is I doubt you're even aware you're doing it. Shit, if you just don't know any better, I blame your parents.

Quote :

"^haha. Look at the old white guy in the back. I dont think he has any idea why everyone is clapping, he is just taking his ques from the guy infront of him who knew exactly what Obama was doing. "

see, he didn't do anything but stand up and clap.

Quote :

"I gathered my opinion from how he reacts and looks around."

bullshit, you gathered your opinion from the fact that he was a white guy - because other than that, he is the same, and acted the same as everyone around him.

4/21/2008 2:14:51 PM

Quote :

"bullshit, you gathered your opinion from the fact that he was a white guy - because other than that, he is the same, and acted the same as everyone around him. "

Again, YOU seem to know whatever I think or mean. That is an amazing talent you have.


No, the black guy in the front sees it and immediately starts clapping, laughing and stands up. The guy in the back stands up about a second later. The difference is the first guy KNOWs why he is clapping and laughing and is confident. Even points to obama. The guy in the back kinda just looks around... I find it funny, thats just how I see it.

I cant believe I had to explain this or even defend it. Im kind of mad at myself for even giving you a response.

4/21/2008 2:27:56 PM

He didn't look around, he stood straight up and clapped. I don't see what you find funny.

4/21/2008 2:33:43 PM

Quote :

"http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1609048460993632318&q=obama+shoulder&ei=F9EMSMHvN4GwlgTCs-2tBA Go to 2:20 you can figure it out be the context "

It's fine if you want to think they guy didn't know what was going on, but then you should also be fine with being wrong.

He obviously knew what was going on, and he didn't "look around" until after he stood up, and he wasn't even "looking around" because judging by the people around him, including Obama, there was something going on to the left of him.

But, yeah, if you take the gif out of context (seems people love to take Obama out of contest), and presume the guy didn't know what was going on, i guess it's a little funny.

4/21/2008 2:49:18 PM

http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_news/story/590356.html

Quote :

"Clinton, Obama won't debate in N.C."

Quote :

"time constraints and logistical issues associated with such a large, national event."

Quote :

"Some Obama supporters chanted "No more debates!" at a Raleigh event Thursday"

4/21/2008 3:32:59 PM

Who cares, honestly? These debates have gone beyond meaningless now.

4/21/2008 3:34:41 PM