unless you don't think the jews were innocent.

HATEMONGER!

3/13/2008 10:05:06 AM

What if Eve didn’t believe in the death penalty? Or if her parents came out and said specifically that they don't want these guys to be put to death? Do you think it would, or should, affect sentencing (if they are convicted)?

3/13/2008 10:08:25 AM

i don't think it should

but it might

3/13/2008 10:10:55 AM

wow, just saw that the 2nd guy was also charged in connection with the murder of the indian dude at duke a while back. that's crazy

3/13/2008 10:19:21 AM

3/13/2008 10:33:48 AM

when i first saw that photo i thought that was an NCSU hoodie.

but the video showed otherwise.

then i told myself that thugs like that only support UNC. so its ok

3/13/2008 10:55:13 AM

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"What if Eve didn’t believe in the death penalty? Or if her parents came out and said specifically that they don't want these guys to be put to death? Do you think it would, or should, affect sentencing (if they are convicted)?"

They might not care, but the family of the next guy who dies because these scum are on the street again might have an opinion.

3/13/2008 11:01:19 AM

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"I commend the chapel hill police department on this investigation. Very pro. Got it done and handled."

I think that most of it is due to the Durham PD.

3/13/2008 11:27:37 AM

yeah. chapel hill police have a rep not doing much. look at the thread in chit chat about 15 dudes jumping 1 person, thats not even the least of it. ive heard a lot through work that the CHPD isnt the best out there.

and durham police also, they are kind of unstable right now, but yeah i commend them on this case.

3/13/2008 11:37:11 AM

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" Barry Saunders, Staff Writer Hey, wait a minute, pal. I didn't kill anybody. Honest. Ever since the black dude showed up on television in the hooded sweat shirt and tilted baseball cap profiling for the ATM camera -- no, even before he showed up on television -- trying to withdraw cash from Eve Carson's account, I've been getting telephone calls and e-mail from people guaranteeing that her killer was black. Now that two suspects have been charged in her killing, don't expect the quality of Internet discourse to improve. The people from whom I heard were equally confident that I was -- as was every other black person in the Triangle -- somehow responsible for her death and would ultimately pay the price for it. One of the more thoughtful, responses I received to Carson's death -- we're grading on a curve here, folks -- referred to the baseball cap insignia: "Your bro Cool Papa Astro has set race relations, at least in the Triangle area, back 100 years." I knew that was coming. That's why most black people I know thought -- no, prayed -- that the person responsible wasn't black. A lot of us won't admit, even to ourselves, that we feel that way, but trust me. We do. The violent death of anyone is tragic and diminishes us all, although the impact is usually most profoundly felt among friends and family members. Eve Carson's death was a loss that will reverberate throughout society because of the good she won't be able to accomplish. A person that young who had already had such a positive impact on her world, as evidenced by the thousands of students who gathered at the campus vigil in her honor, could over time have had an immeasurable impact on the larger world. The people suspected in her death are black, but they represent all black people about as much as Timothy McVeigh or those Columbine killers represent all white people -- which is to say not at all. Evil is not race-specific. If they represent anything, they represent our failure as a society, but mostly as a black society, to adequately address the problem of young black dudes who've seemingly bought into the predatory gangsta lifestyle romanticized in some rap music and videos. Don't look at me like that. It's no secret that a disproportionately high percentage of crimes is committed by young black males. That's something we all have an obligation to address because, guess what, they sometimes venture forth from their own blighted neighborhoods into idealized slices of heaven such as Chapel Hill. You know what would be sad? And ironic? If my letter-writer was right and Carson's death led to a widening of the racial chasm in the Triangle. By all accounts, she was a person who treated everyone well, from the Tar Heel basketball star to the lowly freshman science nerd. Believe me, 5,000 people don't show up at vigils for peers who led self-involved, cliquish lives. A black woman interviewed on television as she entered the church for Eve's funeral said Eve and she were best friends from high school. At her funeral, I saw blacks and whites grieving her loss, none as much as one brother whose whole body heaved with each heartbroken sob. Eve Carson won't get to fulfill the promise her past only hinted at, but her legacy would be tarnished if ultimate blame for her death were attributed to anyone but the misanthrope who actually pulled the trigger. "

3/13/2008 11:40:52 AM

^that guy is an idiot

...and I know when I first heard that she had been shot in the head multiple times I assumed that it was by someone she knew, likely a white person. I also don't equate the two that have been arrested to all black people, rather I equate them to the portion of young black urban youth that are habitually at odds with the law, which they are.

3/13/2008 12:04:51 PM

what's your specific beef with the column?

3/13/2008 12:07:55 PM

rrrright

3/13/2008 12:09:02 PM

i think that guy is not an idiot and that the column is very thought provoking

3/13/2008 12:10:36 PM

I generally don't agree with Barry Saunders, but thats a decent article.

I really can't imagine any way to fix the thug mentality among young people from less fortunate backgrounds.

3/13/2008 1:09:40 PM

i hate thug mentality. when i think thug i think nigger!

3/13/2008 2:12:03 PM

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"I believe people should be executed in the manner that they killed their victims... the family should be allowed to carry out the punishment if they so desire."

how many people actually could/would do that when the time came...not many

3/13/2008 2:40:11 PM

i believe, without a doubt, that i could/would if that were my daughter, friend, fiancee, sister, whatever. hell, i'd do these two guys in and i don't know the girl that got killed.

3/13/2008 3:29:33 PM

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"Raleigh, N.C. — Demario James Atwater was in a Wake County court on a probation violation two days before the shooting death of University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill student leader Eve Carson's homicide. But the hearing was rescheduled because of a scheduling conflict, sources tell WRAL News. If the hearing had occurred March 3, they said, Atwater could have been sent back to jail that day. Atwater pleaded guilty to a gun charge in June, which was in violation of his probation on a prior conviction in which he stole a rifle, shotgun and a cooler. He was 18 at the time and was sentenced to three years' probation."

3/13/2008 3:53:06 PM

damn...that does not make the court system look very good right now

3/13/2008 3:54:10 PM

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"Atwater pleaded guilty to a gun charge in June, which was in violation of his probation on a prior conviction in which he stole a rifle, shotgun and a cooler."

I am not usually a fan of zero tolerance/mandatory minimum policies, but if they apply to anything it should be gun violations.

3/13/2008 4:01:34 PM

^^^ can't wait to hear all the finger pointing that will surely come out of this

3/13/2008 4:04:06 PM

i could see mandatory sentences for crimes where guns are USED, but not firearm by a felon.

as for that probation court thing, i've experienced first hand how many times you can end up in court for one violation. you can't really blame the state on that one

3/13/2008 4:17:08 PM

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"i've experienced first hand "

3/13/2008 4:51:27 PM

The whole situation is complicated. I mean people who have a felony conviction and have enemies usually can't depend on law enforcement to keep them from being murdered. I can see why they might want a gun.

I don't think that is an excuse though. At some point you have to have a wake up call. If someone is on probation gets charged with another felony its time to say well since that did not work you are going straight to jail. Too many second chances and the criminal justice system becomes impotent, it can't perform its most basic purpose which is to protect society from dangerous and violent people.

3/13/2008 7:47:57 PM

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"Raleigh, N.C. — One of the murder suspects in the shooting death of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill's student body president was in a Wake County courtroom on a probation violation two days before her shooting death. But Demario James Atwater's hearing was rescheduled because of a clerical error, Clerk of Superior Court Lorrin Freeman said Thursday. Atwater showed up in courtroom 2-D at 9 a.m. March 3 with his probation officer. But his court file was sent to a different courtroom, Freeman said. The judge and all parties involved agreed March 3 to reschedule the hearing for March 31. Two days later, on March 5, Chapel Hill police found UNC senior Eve Carson's body about a half-mile from the campus. Atwater, 21, is one of two suspects charged with first-degree murder in connection with her death. At age 18, Atwater was sentenced to three years' probation after being convicted of stealing a rifle, shotgun and a cooler. A 2007 conviction on a gun charge, to which he pleaded guilty, was in violation of his probation, the state Department of Correction said. Atwater was arrested Feb. 20 on the probation violation and was released under a $10,000 secured bond. His court date was March 3. The Department of Correction said had the hearing occurred, Atwater could have been sent back to jail. Or another court date, which would have been similar to a first court appearance, could have been scheduled. Both Atwater, 21, and Lawrence Alvin Lovette, 17, also charged with first-degree murder in Carson's death, have criminal records. Atwater's dates to 2004 and includes charges of robbery, drug possession and resisting arrest. In 2006, he was sentenced to 24 months' probation for possession of a firearm as a felon. Lovette's criminal record includes charges of breaking and entering and larceny, for which he was on probation before his arrest Thursday. He was due in a Durham court this month on charges of first-degree burglary, felony larceny of a motor vehicle and felony larceny after breaking and entering in connection with two crimes from February. He was also charged Thursday with first-degree murder in the January 18 shooting death of Duke University graduate student Abhijit Mahato; and also charged with several other charges connected to crimes from mid-February. Atwater and Lovette both went to Jordan High School in Durham and withdrew in 2002 and 2007, respectively, Durham Public Schools Spokesman Michael Yarbrough said Thursday. Atwater later enrolled at Apex High School, where he once got in a fight with another student over a blue bandana he displayed on campus, Apex Police Sgt. Jacques Gilbert, a school resource officer, said. "We interviewed Mr. Atwater. He indicated the blue bandana represented a gang that he was affiliated with," Gilbert said. The gang was based in Durham, where both he and Lovette were arrested this week. But Durham Police Chief Jose Lopez said Thursday that at this point in each of the cases, he does not want to "give any credit to any gangs." "I believe they are two young men who were involved in some robberies and homicides, and they have been charged as such." Atwater, who was arrested Wednesday, is being held in the Orange County Jail without bond. Lovette, arrested Thursday, was being held in the Durham County Jail without bond Thursday. He could make an appearance before a judge as early as Friday to face charges in connection with Carson's death, Orange County District Attorney Jim Woodall said."

wow

3/13/2008 7:50:56 PM

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""We interviewed Mr. Atwater. He indicated the blue bandana represented a gang that he was affiliated with," Gilbert said. The gang was based in Durham, where both he and Lovette were arrested this week."

and to think someone challenged my assertion it was a gang banger from Durham a week ago

3/13/2008 7:58:35 PM

So the pharmacy I work at supplies mostly hospitals/nursing homes, but also some residential services. One of these is C A Dillon juvenile dilenquent school. Just got a refill request for the one and only Lawrence A Lovette, age 17.


I was like

CRAZY right?

3/13/2008 9:25:50 PM

are you supposed to be giving that info out???

3/13/2008 9:30:40 PM

meh...who gives a shit

3/13/2008 9:44:51 PM

i don't care, but it is something he could lose his job over!

3/13/2008 9:47:27 PM

it's private what he was taking (which is nothing rx-wise, just otc stuff we provide to the home), i just can't believe that they requested a refill on something today of all days when we havent sent anything for him since sept 07. . .

3/13/2008 9:47:48 PM

^^j/k!!

3/13/2008 9:48:50 PM

put some fuckin RAT POISON in that jiggaboos pill bottle

3/13/2008 9:49:50 PM

^4 i've been in this profession for years.

i am well versed on the ins and outs of HIPAA's Privacy Laws as they pertain to Protected Health Information (PHI).

But thanks for your concern stranger...

3/13/2008 9:55:27 PM

yeah. his name is not private info.

3/13/2008 10:09:21 PM

sorry we repalced your crazy pills with arsenic!



(something they need to do with a lot of people)

3/13/2008 10:10:34 PM

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"So the pharmacy I work at supplies mostly hospitals/nursing homes, but also some residential services. One of these is C A Dillon juvenile dilenquent school. Just got a refill request for the one and only Lawrence A Lovette, age 17."

awesome. i'm gonna guess he was on antidepressants and/or anxiolytics; perhaps an antiepileptic as well

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 10:36 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2008 10:33:48 PM

3/13/2008 10:43:14 PM

ok mr. saunders, i am honest, hard working, tax paying member of society, and have not failed any other member of society what so ever. where did i go wrong and fail these idiots? you are no better than jackson or sharpton bringing this 'society' crap up. why can't you understand that each person is responsible for their own actions, and if they can't exist with others and abide by rules and laws that 99.9% of everyone else abides by (any color), that they just suck at life and failed themselves and should be locked up forever or done away with completely. i watch rap videos and listen to rap music...that has nothing to do with it. why do i have an obligation to address what some ignorant ass nigs do? no one addresses what i do. i'm expected to get it done or get left behind, and that is what happens to everybody.

3/13/2008 11:01:53 PM

^^HERRO RA-RA

3/13/2008 11:13:32 PM

lol pinky got upset

3/13/2008 11:23:47 PM

http://wral.com/news/local/story/2576695/

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"Durham, N.C. — A cell phone helped link Lawrence Alvin Lovette, the second suspect charged with murder in the death of UNC Student Body President Eve Carson, to the shooting death of a Duke graduate student. Durham County Assistant District Attorney Tracey Cline said during a brief court appearance that the phone and an iPod stolen from Abhijit Mahato's apartment the night he was killed was found on Lovette when police detained him Thursday morning in the Carson case. Lovette was charged Thursday with first-degree murder charge in Mahato's Jan. 18 slaying and several other charges connected to crimes from mid-February. According to the arrest warrant, Lovette allegedly stole a cell phone, wallet and an iPod – with a combined value of about $300 – before Mahato was shot to death inside his apartment at 1600 Anderson St. "There was information that investigators obtained that the victim's telephone had been used … the night or early morning he was murdered," Cline said. Investigators learned numbers on the phone traced back to a number associated with Demario James Atwater, Cline said. Atwater, 21, is not charged in Mahato's death, but Durham Chief Jose Lopez said Thursday police were looking to see if he might have been involved. District Court Judge Craig B. Brown ordered Lovette to be held on a $3 million bond, appointed him a public defender and set his next court date for March 27. Afterward, Brown, a graduate of both the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and Duke, spoke for about 5 minutes, saying he was going to call on the governor for a special session on anti-gang legislation. "I respectfully and sincerely ask the governor to call a special session of the Legislature. I'm sending an SOS in Raleigh," he said. The 17-year-old former Jordan High School student was wanted on a first-degree murder charge in connection with Carson's March 5 shooting death in Chapel Hill. Durham police arrested him early Thursday after nearly two hours of negotiations. Lovette is expected to appear before an Orange County judge Friday afternoon to face charges in Carson's death. The 22-year-old UNC senior was found shot to death about a half-mile from UNC's campus. Durham police have said, at this point, they do not believe neither Mahato nor Carson's death was gang-related. And Chapel Hill police have said they are investigating all possibilities. Lovette's criminal record includes charges of breaking and entering and larceny, for which he was on probation when he was arrested Thursday. He was due in a Durham courtroom this month on charges of first-degree burglary, felony larceny of a motor vehicle and felony larceny after breaking and entering, all related to two crimes from February. Atwater, who has a record dating to 2004, had been in Wake County Superior Court on a felony probation violation March 3, but the hearing was rescheduled because of a clerical error. Correction officials said that, had the hearing occurred, Atwater could have been sent back to jail."

ok

Am I reading this right?

The younger kid has been carrying around the dead indian guy's cell phone since his January murder and they did not figure it out until they arrested him with it???

WTF?

3/14/2008 3:30:28 PM

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=9321263211

I loll'd.

3/14/2008 3:34:43 PM

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"benXJ: ok mr. saunders, i am honest, hard working, tax paying member of society, and have not failed any other member of society what so ever. where did i go wrong and fail these idiots? you are no better than jackson or sharpton bringing this 'society' crap up. why can't you understand that each person is responsible for their own actions, and if they can't exist with others and abide by rules and laws that 99.9% of everyone else abides by (any color), that they just suck at life and failed themselves and should be locked up forever or done away with completely. i watch rap videos and listen to rap music...that has nothing to do with it. why do i have an obligation to address what some ignorant ass nigs do? no one addresses what i do. i'm expected to get it done or get left behind, and that is what happens to everybody."

"Suck at life and failed themselves" is way too simplistic. It's pretty lame to write off social problems as individual character issues.

And I don't think Saunders is accusing you of failing anybody. And he definitely wasn't saddling you with the obligation to address the actions of "some ignorant ass nigs."

The two of you relate to society and black society differently in that you apparently don't relate to either at all.

3/14/2008 4:00:39 PM

3/14/2008 7:10:03 PM

I just saw video of both suspects on the news. They're a pair of scrawny little fuckers.

Only adding support to my theory that they're pussies with guns.

3/14/2008 10:34:19 PM

lol

that reminds me of the time that i was in traffic next to a car that got slammed from behind. the two people that were in the car that hit it got out and ran, so i went after them.

of course, one skinny black kid, one bigger black kid. well the skinny one acted like he had a gun in his waist. i ended up tackling him from behind because he was running from the scene of an accident after him and his bud stole the car.

man it felt soooo damn good to do something like that. after what happened to this girl at UNC it made me think that those kids could have just killed someone also (which they didnt) but it makes you think. you've either got to act or just sit back and watch.

3/14/2008 10:54:57 PM

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"It's pretty lame to write off social problems as individual character issues. "

yea but it's also lame to use social problems to justify character issues

3/14/2008 11:53:16 PM

^
splendid retort

3/15/2008 12:39:18 AM