Quote :

"The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP’s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day. “We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren’t voting from those addresses,” party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week. He said the local party wanted to make sure that proper electoral procedures were followed. State election rules allow parties to assign “election challengers” to polls to monitor the election. In addition to observing the poll workers, these volunteers can challenge the eligibility of any voter provided they “have a good reason to believe” that the person is not eligible to vote. One allowable reason is that the person is not a “true resident of the city or township.” The Michigan Republicans’ planned use of foreclosure lists is apparently an attempt to challenge ineligible voters as not being “true residents.”"

http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote
Really? REALLY???

(btw, if somebody can get corroboration from another source I'd like to see it)

9/11/2008 6:10:55 PM

haha, I think you are misreading what their intent is.

9/11/2008 6:21:35 PM

Quote :

"The Macomb GOP’s plans are another indication of how John McCain’s campaign stands to benefit from the burgeoning number of foreclosures in the state. McCain’s regional headquarters are housed in the office building of foreclosure specialists Trott & Trott. The firm’s founder, David A. Trott, has raised between $100,000 and $250,000 for the Republican nominee. The Macomb County party’s plans to challenge voters who have defaulted on their house payments is likely to disproportionately affect African-Americans who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters. More than 60 percent of all sub-prime loans — the most likely kind of loan to go into default — were made to African-Americans in Michigan, according to a report issued last year by the state’s Department of Labor and Economic Growth."

Blatant voter supression.

9/11/2008 7:00:55 PM

Quote :

"Hanging out with conmen, what a way to go through life."

I guess it's better than hanging out with people who bombed the fucking US Capitol building and years later, on 9-11-2001, as the WTC is crashing to the ground, say they "wish they had done more."

Quote :

"Turns out, the Palin line about putting the plane on Ebay wasn't even her idea. It had been standard operating procedure in Alaska since 2003; before Palin was even governor."

I've never really heard her say that she came up with the idea. You are really grasping at straws here, man. The whole point is that she got rid of something worthless.

As for the earmarks... I again ask you, why is it bad to give a worse off state more money but it's OK to give a poor person money you stole from a wealthy person?

Quote :

"Blatant voter supression."

Not really. The intent is to ensure that people who are actually allowed to vote at a given precinct are the people voting there. They aren't saying "if you defaulted on your mortgage, you can't vote anywhere, ever." They are saying "if you defaulted on your mortgage, then you, by definition, don't live there anymore, which means you can't vote at that address's precinct, unless you happen to still live in that precinct and can verify it." Really, stop reading what you want to read and see what it actually says.


By the way, I'm still waiting for someone to explain exactly how Obama is "getting away from the politics of old" by involving one of the biggest politicians of old in his campaign. Kinda wreaks of hypocrisy, if you ask me. But then again, that's not a real surprise. Obama doesn't have a genuine bone in his body.

9/11/2008 11:56:24 PM

The McCain campaign gets called out on twisting Obama's supporting teaching kids about sexual predators/stranger danger into trying to say he wants to teach kindergartners about sex before they learn to read. I've seen the ad, and then after it says Obama wants to teach your kindergartner about sex, it asks if Obama is right for your family. I'm glad the media is calling them out on this.



[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 6:42 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 6:41:31 AM

So McCain has agreed to put Obama on his cabinet, and Palin is willing to go to war with Russia over a NATO backed Georgia.

Some of you are worried about this election, but I'm not. You will see the Republican bump reduce back into the republican slump that we know it is.

The Republican ticket has now entered bargaining mode, the first sign of troubles ahead.

9/12/2008 8:51:16 AM

Stimwalt,

Well, just so you know, Obama and Joe Biden also support extending NATO membership to Georgia. Indeed, earlier this year, Joe Biden spondored a resolution to do just that and that resolution was co-sponsored by Barack Obama and John McCain. And all three men re-affirmed this position after the Russian invasion.

Yet, somehow, progressives only think that this position is war mongering when John McCain or Sarah Palin holds it. Even Matt Yglesias only mentions McCain by name (though he does say members of "both parties" hold the position...PST he's talking about Obama!).

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 10:09 AM. Reason : ``]

9/12/2008 10:08:51 AM

Paul Krugman today says EXACTLY what I'm feeling about McCain's campaign right now. Even if I normally can't stand Krugman, he nailed it.

Quote :

" “But I can’t think of any precedent, at least in America, for the blizzard of lies since the Republican convention. The Bush campaign’s lies in 2000 were artful -- you needed some grasp of arithmetic to realize that you were being conned. This year, however, the McCain campaign keeps making assertions that anyone with an Internet connection can disprove in a minute, and repeating these assertions over and over again.” "

Time for Obama to start calling them liars and doing it with some balls if you ask me.

9/12/2008 10:33:37 AM

9/12/2008 10:43:36 AM

i really have to wonder what kind of personal interaction the candidates have.
I mean, can Obama call up McCain on his cell phone and just say "dude, what the fuck are you doing? Seriously, this is ridiculous."

I'm sure he doesn't do that, because someone would record it or leak the call or whatever. But it would be great to hear the candidates talk to each other like real people instead of with all the bullshit platitudes that the public hears

9/12/2008 10:49:44 AM

^^ b/c obama has THEIR interests in mind bucko. duh

9/12/2008 11:01:16 AM

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=immersiveplayer&maven_referralObject=850878100
Reporter asks McCain questions about Palin, and he mostly ignores them to talk about how great she is

9/12/2008 11:16:04 AM

Socks,

My point is the GOP ticket is basically copy-catting anything that Obama shows leadership on, while at the same time telling unjustifiable untruths to misdirect the public's perception. These are very old tactics that have worked time and time again, but hopefully they are below the American people.

9/12/2008 12:17:19 PM

^ unlike the obama campaign, which has never said a nasty or untrue thing about McCain and never changed to policy positions that poll better?

i personally, don't like McCain's latest ad either, but let's not get carried away. Neither of these guys are innocent. It's politics. Man up a touch.

9/12/2008 12:24:04 PM

Neither of these men are innocent, therefore you're not allowed to point out that one man is far less innocent than the other one.

9/12/2008 12:29:38 PM

Quote :

"Well, just so you know, Obama and Joe Biden also support extending NATO membership to Georgia. Indeed, earlier this year, Joe Biden spondored a resolution to do just that and that resolution was co-sponsored by Barack Obama and John McCain. And all three men re-affirmed this position after the Russian invasion. "

Extending NATO membership is not the same as claiming that you will start WW3 over that same country.

9/12/2008 12:34:48 PM

9/12/2008 12:38:46 PM

^that picture might actually get some liberals to vote for McCain/Palin

OMG SHE'S TOTALLY DOWN WITH COMMUNISM, AWESOME!!1

9/12/2008 12:40:58 PM

^yep. dead on.

I bet that ad alone would bring in a good %15 of the liberal base to vote for Palin

9/12/2008 1:05:34 PM

Quote :

"Extending NATO membership is not the same as claiming that you will start WW3 over that same country."

My sentiments exactly.

9/12/2008 1:11:37 PM

In Communism, man exploits man.

In Capitalism, it's exactly the opposite.

9/12/2008 1:12:48 PM

In Soviet Russia, man exploits YOU?

9/12/2008 1:13:34 PM

Quote :

" A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that, if Americans could cast separate votes for president and vice president, "Obama-Palin" would win. Palin would wallop Biden, 53 percent to 44 percent. Obama would beat McCain, 49 percent to 48 percent, which falls within the poll's margin of error "

9/12/2008 1:15:07 PM

In Soviet Russia you don't have tehwolfweb!

9/12/2008 1:16:10 PM

I don't understand why people like Palin... she's the one that ruined the GOP ticket for me. Could someone enlighten me, because I just don't see anything admirable in her... At all.

9/12/2008 1:16:47 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/09/mccain_talks_up_palin_as_a_ref.php

Quote :

"Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Friday running mate Sarah Palin has never asked for money for lawmakers' pet projects as Alaska governor when in fact she has sought nearly $200 million in earmarks this year. .... The Arizona senator said the GOP vice presidential nominee would be good for the country because she would reform government, and specifically cited curbing federal spending for earmarks. When pressed about Palin's record of requesting and accepting such money for Alaska, McCain ignored the record and said: "Not as governor she didn't.""

Does McCain even care if he is lying anymore?

9/12/2008 1:19:01 PM

^ ok you've sent us that link 40 times over the past 2 days. we don't subscribe to liberal left wing web sites for factual information

Quote :

"I don't understand why people like Palin... she's the one that ruined the GOP ticket for me. Could someone enlighten me, because I just don't see anything admirable in her... At all."

maybe it's her %80 approval rating?
maybe it's the fact that she is the only candidate on the ticket on both parties that has executive experience
maybe it's the fact that she ran the alaska national guard for years
maybe b/c she isn't a washington insider?
and the fact that she's a seemingly normal mother figure and can relate to most american moms


idk, those don't mean anything to the liberal propaganda monster, but most americans see through the haze still

9/12/2008 1:23:36 PM

That is a different link to a different story on Talkingpoints and the story wasn't even written by talkingpoints. Instead, it was written by the Associated Press.

9/12/2008 1:28:12 PM

Quote :

"maybe it's the fact that she is the only candidate on the ticket on both parties that has executive experience maybe it's the fact that she ran the alaska national guard for years maybe b/c she isn't a washington insider? and the fact that she's a seemingly normal mother figure and can relate to most american moms"

how ironic - at the same time you blast a site called Talking Point Memo, you fight back with a list of tired old Republican talking points

9/12/2008 1:29:10 PM

^^then the associated press needs a spell/grammar check. lol.

"Se's"

Quote :

"how ironic - at the same time you blast a site called Talking Point Memo, you fight back with a list of tired old Republican talking points"

so you are denying those 4 facts are indeed not facts? cool

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 1:31 PM. Reason : ,]

9/12/2008 1:30:40 PM

that invalidates the entire article. Oh NOES

9/12/2008 1:34:00 PM

i'm not saying that they're not true.

i'm saying that for the most part they are irrelevant or trumped up. And yet you and others continue to spout them as if they actually mean something - "ran the national guard"? give me a break. I guess you have deep respect for Governor Easley then, right? Especially considering some of the biggest marine bases in the country are in NC! "seemly normal mother figure" that American's can relate to - yeah, and since when, again, is that a qualification, or even necessarily a good thing, for a President? We're voting for people to run the entire fucking country, not for the president of your local chamber of commerce.

so while they may be true, they're hardly reasons to elect a President/VP, but they sure do sound good when you list them like that. i.e. nothing but talking points

9/12/2008 1:38:37 PM

i am convinced that csharp is an undercover far-lefty trying to cause negative views towards tdub conservatives. there is no way anyone can believe all of the tripe contained within his posts... including csharp himself. good job dude.

9/12/2008 1:41:27 PM

Here is one thing McCain is being honest with:

McCain: I'm divorced from the Day-to-day challenges people have

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vmstQlt5E

9/12/2008 2:21:16 PM

^^
Translation:

I don't like Republicans, and ppl that earn a living and i like talking out my rear-end.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM. Reason : ,]

9/12/2008 2:27:35 PM

This is how Obama should be hitting Walnuts and the Snowbilly back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0kiLoMY1hg

9/12/2008 2:47:08 PM

Quote :

"I don't understand why people like Palin"

I don't understand why people like Obama

9/12/2008 2:50:05 PM

It's pretty simple.

Obama is brilliant and Palin is hot.

9/12/2008 2:51:51 PM

Palin has never heard of the Bush Doctrine, and believes the earth is 4000 years old.

And some of you don't see a problem with this.

9/12/2008 4:06:09 PM

Obama claims he is a Christian...if he actually was a Christian, wouldn't he also think the Earth was ~6,000 years old?

9/12/2008 4:07:10 PM

However, she does not prescribe to the new democratic doctrinal discourse of wikipedia that declares we currently have 57 states in the union.

excuse me everybody, the bible only says that man has been on the earth for 6000 years. not the age of the earth.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 4:09 PM. Reason : b]

9/12/2008 4:08:30 PM

I'm trying to have respect for McCain because he used to seem like a good man, but I'm tired of shit like this, its sickening.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/12/campaign.wrap/index.html

9/12/2008 4:08:32 PM

Quote :

"McCain, Obama camps accuse each other of gutter politics"

I agree with both of them...like it or not thats politics

9/12/2008 4:09:10 PM

I can take a little bit of mudslinging

but out-right lying is a bit much. Especially nowadays when its to easy to debunk stuff when everything is recorded and on the internet for the public to see. Maybe I should just assume that the McCain camp is too dumb to know any better, rather than just plain spiteful.

9/12/2008 4:13:24 PM

Quote :

"However, she does not prescribe to the new democratic doctrinal discourse of wikipedia that declares we currently have 57 states in the union."

The difference is that the 57 states thing was a gaff. Palin really, really didn't know what the Bush Doctrine is. Gibson pressed her on it quite a bit, with no luck.

Quote :

"excuse me everybody, the bible only says that man has been on the earth for 6000 years. not the age of the earth."

Oh, I'm sorry. Man has been on earth for 6000 years. The earth is 6000 years old plus a couple days.

9/12/2008 4:13:52 PM

I'd like to directly ask Obama how old he thought the Earth was and how long he thought man had been living on Earth

If he says the earth is 4.3 billion years old, and over the last millions of years, different creatures have evolved into the human beings we are today, he loses the religious audience since he supposedly said he was Christian

If he says the earth is 6,000 years old, and that God created man arnd that time, he loses the science audience since carbon dating goes back a lot farther

I'd like to see how he answered it though...my guess would be very vaguely

9/12/2008 4:16:59 PM

Quote :

"since he supposedly said he was Christian"

Not all Christian sects reject science. Get out of the South once in a while.

9/12/2008 4:19:30 PM

what does the south have to do with the bible's take on the age of the earth? do christians in other parts of the country not believe the bible?

9/12/2008 4:22:07 PM

Quote :

"The earth is 6000 years old plus a couple 5 days."

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 4:24 PM. Reason : on the 6th day]

9/12/2008 4:23:08 PM

Google "fundamentalism" if you're really this daft.

9/12/2008 4:24:12 PM