This is not a controversy this is expected. TSA Screeners are bottom of the barrel dolts. They are there for a paycheck and to complete the smoke and mirrors game the TSA plays. They are unarmed idiots; I couldn't imagine what would happen if they detected a bomb...call on the radio for real police? But I don't blame them fully, if I had to stare at a computer screen w/ body images all day I would probably get bored and let things slip.

2/23/2011 4:12:16 PM

For page 2

Yep, good thing we put these things in airports. A gunman will never board our aircraft again. Our aircraft are the safest ones in the sky. No chance anything will get on board now.

Oh wait.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/TSA-Agent-Slips-Through-DFW-Body-Scanner-With-a-Gun-116497568.html

Quote :

"TSA Source: Armed Agent Slips Past DFW Body Scanner An undercover TSA agent was able to get through security at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport with a handgun during testing of the enhanced-imaging body scanners, according to a high-ranking, inside source at the Transportation Security Administration. The source said the undercover agent carried a pistol in her undergarments when she put the body scanners to the test. The officer successfully made it through the airport's body scanners every time she tried, the source said. "In this case, where they had a test, and it was just a dismal failure as I'm told," said Larry Wansley, former head of security at American Airlines. "As I've heard (it), you got a problem, especially with a fire arm." Wansley said covert testing by the TSA is commonplace -- although failing should be rare. The TSA insider who blew the whistle on the test also said that none of the TSA agents who failed to spot the gun on the scanned image were disciplined. The source said the agents continue to work the body scanners today. Wansley said that is a problem. "This was only a test, but it's critically important that you do something, because if that person failed in the real environment, then you have a problem," he said. The TSA did not deny that the tests took place or the what the results were. The agency would only provide the following statement: "Our security officers are one of the most heavily tested federal workforces in the nation. We regularly test our officers in a variety of ways to ensure the effectiveness of our technology, security measures and the overall layered system. For security reasons, we do not publicize or comment on the results of covert tests, however advanced imaging technology is an effective tool to detect both metallic and nonmetallic items hidden on passengers." TSA agents who spoke to a reporter agreed that the body-imaging scanners are effective -- but only if the officers monitoring them are paying attention."

Who saw this coming?

[Edited on February 23, 2011 at 3:04 PM. Reason : the agent must have been ugly and unattractive ]

2/23/2011 4:14:01 PM

Quote :

"fire arm"

...?

2/23/2011 5:30:00 PM

The scanners don't detect fire

2/23/2011 5:31:51 PM

Who was it that said these things were crap and the TSA didn't actually test them before buying hundreds of thousands of dollahbux worth??

me.

2/23/2011 5:52:17 PM

Quote :

"Who saw this coming?"

Everybody with a shred of intelligence

Glad we spent all that money and violated all those rights

2/23/2011 6:03:16 PM

posting again just to say told you so you fuckin rubes

2/24/2011 9:25:47 AM

Quote :

"Wansley said covert testing by the TSA is commonplace -- although failing should be rare."

Failing a test should be rare. It doesn't matter how rigorous the training is if the training, procedures, and implementation are all bullshit.

2/24/2011 9:41:51 AM

TSA searching people leaving a train station. Seems kind of backwards

http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/02/28/why-did-tsa-pat-down-kids-adults-getting-off-train/

3/1/2011 11:20:06 AM

After the debacle they had last week at Dallas Fort Worth on I guess it was Wednesday, I got to experience some of the changes first hand. I was flying out Friday morning, and they opted to not use the body scanners that were in the terminal I was using, instead opting for the full on hand
method or swabbing people's hands.

I didn't hate these things at first, but I was traveling for the past five weeks in cities all over the US, and in every single one of them (Dallas, San Francisco, DC, Raleigh) I was either body scanner, frisked, or swabbed of the hands and clothes. I could believe it's random if it happened twice, but in my 8 departing flights, I was searched in some form 7 of them. I guess TSA agents don't like people in suits who are taller than them as every time I approach the metal detector before I walk in it I hear "Male Assistance needed". I never set off the metal detector or anything, it's always preemptive.. But whatever, I'll play along I guess.


Nothing like having a 5 minute pat down by a guy who looks like Chuck Norris...

3/1/2011 11:48:23 AM

you would like it




What is the swab? Haven't heard of that one being in airports lately

3/1/2011 11:54:22 AM

Quote :

"TSA searching people leaving a train station. Seems kind of backwards "

what recourse do the have if you refuse the search in a situation like that? if it's getting on a plane/train, you have to consent or they don't allow you to board. But they can't not let you leave after you're already off....These people were well within their rights to refuse the search.

3/1/2011 11:56:40 AM

TSA is claiming they didn't have to exit through the terminal but of course they didn't tell anyone that at the time.

3/1/2011 12:17:47 PM

They take some kind of cotton like swab on this tool and run it over your hands or clothes when you're in this awkward room next to the body scanner (glass room). I had this done at Reagan National in DC.

I mean I guess it's an honor that Chuck Norris wanted to pat me down, must've felt intimidated or something I suppose? The thing is, I always do it on the mat that people can see you when you're getting it done as I don't want to go to some back room as who knows what that could lead to.. Plus my flight left in 30 minutes, I didn't want any crazy search leading me to being late for my flight.

3/1/2011 12:18:42 PM

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3/1/2011 5:13:47 PM

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"Lawmakers and residents engaged in heated debate Tuesday over a bill that would make random airport security pat-downs and body scans criminal in New Hampshire. The bill (HB628-FN) "makes the touching or viewing with a technological device of a person’s breasts or genitals by a government security agent without probable cause a sexual assault," according to the introductory text of the bill. "Let's put their name on the sex offender registry, and maybe that will tell them New Hampshire means business," said bill co-sponsor Rep. Andrew Manuse, R-Derry."

http://www.wmur.com/r/27035604/detail.html

3/1/2011 11:12:34 PM

this thread need more X Ray photos of hot chicks

3/2/2011 12:19:00 AM

A gun on board an aircraft is not the real threat anymore anyway.

Explosive devices and checked baggage is all that really needs to be ensured secure.

And it's not.

3/2/2011 1:55:12 AM

^The essence of that is so true, that I almost refrained from commenting on the grammar.

3/2/2011 6:19:06 AM

Quote :

" A gun on board an aircraft is not the real threat anymore anyway. Explosive devices and checked baggage is all that really needs to be ensured secure. And it's not. "

I would disagree and say that neither is really a higher priority any more. In this day and age, we should be worried most about hijackings. The airlines have moved to fix some of that with reinforced doors and cockpit handguns. The public is also aware of this. Preventing planes from being hijacked will prevent terror attacks on the magnitude of 9/11. If a person shoots on a plane or even blows up the entire thing, the number of deaths is a couple hundred at most, and not a major economic disruption to the country as a whole. We only really need to worry about that type of attack if it becomes a daily occurrence like middle east suicide bombings. I doubt that will happen in the US because the people who would be inclined to be suicide bombers would stick out like sore thumbs in a more modern and stable society.

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/tsa_staff_jet_blew_it_Y7NcXScFd0oS2HNvkypthP

Quote :

" A passenger managed to waltz past JFK's ramped-up security gantlet with three boxcutters in his carry-on luggage -- easily boarding an international flight while carrying the weapon of choice of the 9/11 hijackers, sources told The Post yesterday. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/tsa_staff_jet_blew_it_Y7NcXScFd0oS2HNvkypthP#ixzz1FTIrAjvt ... The TSA spokeswoman Davis insisted that the traveling public was not at risk. "There have been a number of additional security layers that have been implemented on aircraft that would prevent someone from causing harm with boxcutters," she insisted. "They include the possible presence of armed federal air marshals, hardened cockpit doors, flight crews trained in self-defense and a more vigilant traveling public who have demonstrated a willingness to intervene." "

Note that the TSA is expecting the public, reinforced doors, and air marshals to clean up for all the crap they miss. Wouldn't that be the same without the TSA?

[Edited on March 2, 2011 at 2:26 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2011 2:25:45 PM

http://www.zug.com/live/87118/The-Viagra-TSA-Experiment.html

3/3/2011 11:51:36 AM

and weighing in from the "i still don't give a shit" corner...me!

3/3/2011 12:32:37 PM

^^

hahaha, props to the TSA agent for not getting all gestapo about it.

3/3/2011 12:55:50 PM

First, lol at the grammar comment from before. I must have been le tired.

also,

^^^^

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, do you?

Post 9/11, a hijacking of a passenger service aircraft is a different ball game altogether.

3/12/2011 1:48:09 AM

i just found this on my friends fb




[Edited on March 12, 2011 at 6:53 PM. Reason : i hope its not [old]]

3/12/2011 6:53:42 PM

^AHAHAHA, that's really good. I wish I was creative like that.

3/13/2011 4:47:37 AM

lol

3/13/2011 11:18:24 AM

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/03/tsa-radiation-test-bungling/

Quote :

"TSA Admits Bungling of Airport Body-Scanner Radiation Tests The Transportation Security Administration is re-analyzing the radiation levels of X-ray body scanners installed in airports nationwide, after testing produced dramatically higher-than-expected results. The TSA, which has deployed at least 500 body scanners to at least 78 airports, said Tuesday the machines meet all safety standards and would remain in operation despite a “calculation error” in safety studies. The flawed results showed radiation levels 10 times higher than expected. [more]"

3/16/2011 8:53:40 AM

so

does the TSA ever do anything right?

3/16/2011 8:54:31 AM

Quote :

"The essence of that is so true, that I almost refrained from commenting on the grammar."

unnecessary comma much?

3/16/2011 9:16:34 AM

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/wake-county/2011/mar/20/raleigh-man-angered-tsa-security-screening-ar-876996/

Quote :

"Raleigh man angered by TSA security screening RALEIGH, N.C. -- A Raleigh man says Transportation Security Administration agents violated his rights early Sunday during a security screening at Boston Logan International Airport. The man, who did not want to be identified, said he was traveling with a friend on their way home to Raleigh, when they were asked to go through full body scanners, which they did. "They said, 'We're not satisfied,'" he said. The man, who is autistic, said he was then asked to remove his belt and suspenders. The man said he requested a pat-down instead, and a friend traveling with him said she asked agents if they could do the screening another way. "They did not put him in a private area," said the friend, Marilyn Falk. "Instead they insisted that he undress in public." The man says when he tried to take off his suspenders and belt, his pants fell down, exposing part of his underwear. "Happened to have my pants dropped down around a lot of people," he said. "His privacy was not being protected," Falk said. "His rights as an individual were not being protected." A TSA spokeswoman said anyone who requests a private screening should be given one. "TSA's policy is to treat everybody with respect," said spokeswoman Sari Koshetz. "We train our officers to be sensitive to various types of needs and individuals." Koshetz said if agents ask travelers to go through additional security after a full body scan, it's because they noticed something in the scan that warrants additional screening. Koshetz added the TSA looks into all complaints."

Possibly just exaggerating how much his pants fell down if it says "exposing part of his underwear" but still, fuck TSA



[Edited on March 21, 2011 at 10:03 AM. Reason : sadf]

3/21/2011 10:02:31 AM

I so called the radiation thing

3/21/2011 10:10:50 AM

Went through the body scanner at RDU last time I flew, but on the way back from Austin I didn't have to go through shit. I even had to leave the terminal and come back in during my layover in DFW (had to claim my bag because my flight got bumped up) and I still didn't get another scan. I really don't understand the fucking point of this bullshit to begin with.


Had I not already been late for my flight, I would've opted out and made those worthless TSA fucks massage my massive balls.

[Edited on March 21, 2011 at 6:14 PM. Reason : .]

3/21/2011 6:12:36 PM

Quote :

"Had I not already been late for my flight, I would've opted out and made those worthless TSA fucks massage my massive balls."

Ahahaha this is basically my plan, haven't flown since this bullshit

3/21/2011 6:35:35 PM

The latest controversy has been concentrated over TSA groping a 6 year old girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3sH1GaO_nw

(embed since the screenshot is pretty damning)



Now this has come of it...hopefully it will pass

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_12628220-caf9-568a-9f6b-c84b3745d119.html

Quote :

"Chaffetz drafting bill changing TSA procedures In response to a YouTube video of a 6-year-old girl receiving a pat-down from a Transportation Security Administration officer, Congressman Jason Chaffetz is drafting legislation that will require parental supervision during the pat-down of a child. "They claim there is a modified pat-down for 12-year-olds and younger, but when you see those videos, you realize that just isn't true," Chaffetz said. The proposed legislation would require that a parent must give their consent before a child receives a pat-down, and that the child must remain with the parent while the pat-down is performed. Chaffetz would like to put an end to those practices and continued his claim that there are better ways to protect Americans in the skies than full-body scans and pat-downs, a process he calls "security theater." Chaffetz says TSA could protect the country just as well with the use of bomb sniffing dogs and behavioral screenings. "That is what they do in the White House, the House of Representatives, and in the theater of war," Chaffetz said about using the dogs. "They aren't bringing in whole-body scanning machines, they are bringing in dogs." Chaffetz admits that his plan to implement the usage of the dogs over the scanning machines will have an uphill battle. "The dogs don't have something the scanning machines do have -- a lobbyist," Chaffetz said. Chaffetz is the chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security and has sent a letter to the TSA requesting an investigation of the incident, and asked for a report no later than close of business on Friday. "I am personally outraged and disgusted by yet another example of mistreatment of an innocent American at the hands of TSA," wrote Chaffetz in the letter addressed to TSA chief John Pistole. "This conduct is in clear violation of TSA's explicit policy not to conduct thorough pat-downs on children under the age of 13." TSA spokeswoman Carrie Harmon said the administration could not comment on proposed or pending legislation. TSA has commented on the incident with the 6-year-old girl in the video, though. It said it has determined that the officer followed proper current screening procedures. TSA also has said its officers will continue to work with parents to ensure a respectful screening process for the entire family is performed at security checkpoints, including not separating minor children from their parents during the screening process. The congressman's family had its own run-in with the TSA not long ago when his 15-year-old daughter was whisked away from the family at the airport security checkpoint to have a private pat-down without a parent present."

[Edited on April 19, 2011 at 12:36 PM. Reason : adsf]

4/19/2011 12:35:32 PM

I've been avoiding any new postings...mostly because its the same damn shit over and over, but this is just ridiculous.

Better get ready to show your papers whenever you leave your house. [/tin foil hat]

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/tsa-swarms-8000-bus-stations-public-transit-systems-yearly

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"Surprise! TSA Is Searching Your Subway, Truck, Ferry, Bus, AND Plane Think you could avoid the TSA's body scanners and pat-downs by taking Amtrak? Think again. Even your daily commute isn't safe from TSA screenings. And because the TSA is working with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Border Patrol, you may have your immigration status examined along with your "junk". As part of the TSA's request for FY 2012 funding, TSA Administrator John Pistole told Congress last week that the TSA conducts 8,000 unannounced security screenings every year. These screenings, conducted with local law enforcement agencies as well as immigration, can be as simple as checking out cargo at a busy seaport. But more and more, they seem to involve giving airport-style pat-downs and screenings of unsuspecting passengers at bus terminals, ferries, and even subways. These surprise visits are part of the TSA's VIPR program: Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response. The VIPR program first started doing searches in 2007, and has grown since then. Currently, the TSA only has 25 VIPR teams doing these impromptu searches: in 2012, it wants to get 12 more. The searches are in the name of passenger security, and the TSA says it wants to prevent incidents like the 2004 Madrid train bombings. But if the airports' TSA searches miss security risks like large knives, loaded guns, and explosives, there's certainly the chance that screenings at train stations would be similarly flawed. Not to worry: security isn't the only goal of VIPR. A recent VIPR operation/screening at a Tampa Greyhound bus station was conducted with US Border Patrol and ICE. "What we're looking for is threats to national security as well as immigration law violators," said Steve McDonald from US Border Patrol. An ICE representative said that they were also looking for smuggling, and Gary Milano from Homeland Security said that although that was the first time the Tampa bus depot had been screened, VIPR would be back again sometime in the future and was using the element of surprise as a deterrent to "the bad guys." Although one man at the Tampa screening said he felt "safer," VIPR operations are not without their naysayers. A VIPR screening at a Des Moines Greyhound station last week is alleged to have targeted Latinos. Another TSA/Border Patrol VIPR screening on a trolley in San Diego resulted in three teens being handcuffed and deported while on their way to school.Around 20 others were also deported, according to local news outlets. The trolley is part of the San Diego Metropolitan Transit System. "We believe this is a flagrant violation of human rights, when we have a situation in which children are being separated from their families without the proper due process rights being afforded to them," said a spokesman for the girl's family. The three teens nabbed in the San Diego VIPR operation were deported to Tijuana, but later allowed to re-enter the United States on humanitarian visas. More children, this time train passengers disembarking at Savannah, Georgia, were treated to questionable TSA treatment in February along with their families. While the passengers (who again, had just gotten OFF a train) were lifting their shirts and having bras handled during pat-downs, their luggage was sitting unattended on the train platform. The TSA later admitted that the VIPR operation should have ended before the train entered the station, but told the public that the Savannah passengers didn't have to enter the screening area... even though an eye-witness says a TSA agent instructed them to go into the screening area to collect their luggage... the luggage that was actually waiting somewhere else. VIPR operations are now even targeting freight trucks on highways. In addition to the random checks on public transit systems, it makes you wonder: can private vehicles be far behind? Will there be any mode of transportation beyond the reach of the TSA? UPDATE: According to at least one news report out of Brownsville, Texas, TSA/VIPR has already conducted unannounced inspections of private passenger cars and trucks. Thanks for the tip, reader @jwindz."

6/21/2011 2:06:19 PM

shit like that should be quickly headed for a court case. The only justification for the TSA bullshit so far has been that "you could choose another method of transportation" (despite the fact that SC justices have in the past said that that logic was bullshit and we have the right to travel unfettered by whatever means we deem fit), but if they push this shit onto private cars, that'll be over. Not to mention the fact that they are searching private vehicles without a warrant or probably cause of any sort.

6/21/2011 2:19:26 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/26/florida.tsa.incident/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Quote :

"TSA forces woman to remove adult diaper"

6/26/2011 8:58:38 PM

6/26/2011 8:59:46 PM

dude looks for any opportunity to post these things

6/26/2011 9:01:33 PM

I can't blame him...I too went through that phase on here

6/26/2011 9:16:19 PM

I have probably been on a hundred flights in the past year for work and this week is the first time I have had my genitals patted down all that time. I know the procedures for the checkpoints like the back of my hand, so I try to be efficient in going through them, but they still manage to fuck up.
This was at RDU. I had on cargo shorts so I knew they would at least pat down my pockets after I went through the scanner. So when I got through I held my hands to the side waiting for the pocket pat down. He tells me I can put my hands down and speaks into his microphone like he is some kind of special agent.
They then ask me which ones are my belongings and help me carry them into the side room as if they are doing me a favor. He tells me that they saw something suspicious around my waist so they are going to have to rub the back of their hand across my front 3 times (feel my balls). He does it and I sit there and roll my eyes the whole time. He asks me if I am "ok." haha
Next time I am going to refuse to go in the room and make them feel my genitals in front of everybody.

6/26/2011 9:37:26 PM

^ That's what I do now. I've flown about 50 times the past year (about to ramp up in July oh boy...). And I refuse to have the pat down in a room, if I am getting it I want people to see it. Because I don't like being out of sight for whatever reason. Dallas is the worst to me, the past two times I've gone there, I haven't even stepped through the metal detector and they're already paging male assist. If I set off the detector, cool, but if not why?

I hate the TSA and always signaling out the 6'3 goofy white guy in dress clothes, or even if I wear jeans I get called out...so I guess it's not those either. Gah and I fly to Reagan in DC tomorrow, so I guess I'll get it there too as they love me for some reason as well. Oh the joys of flying.

6/26/2011 10:10:21 PM

I'm surprised I never get pat downs. Maybe when I fly in September my luck will run out

6/26/2011 10:48:22 PM

This should be interesting. Its what people have been calling for all along...now to see what happens.

Oh and of course now its racist

Quote :

"TSA to put Hub fliers on the spot Some skeptical of new security program Boston’s TSA screeners — part of a security force whose competency has come under fire nationwide — soon will be carrying out sophisticated behavioral inspections under a first-in-the-nation program that’s already raising concerns of racial profiling, harassment of innocent travelers and longer lines. The training for the Israeli-style screening — a projected $1 billion national program dubbed Screening Passengers by Observation Techniques — kicks off today at Logan International Airport and will be put to use in Terminal A on Aug. 15.It requires screeners to make quick reads of whether passengers pose a danger or a terror threat based on their reactions to a set of routine questions. But security experts wonder whether Transportation Safety Administration agents are up to the challenge after an embarrassing string of blunders — including patting down a 95-year-old grandmother in Florida and making her remove her adult diaper and frisking a 3-year-old girl who screamed “stop touching me” at a checkpoint in Tennessee. “I’m not convinced that the TSA has good enough people to make the Israeli approach work on a large scale,” said Glenn Reynolds, a University of Tennessee law professor who has followed the TSA at his blog, Instapundit.com. [wtf makes the Israelis so much better than us? ] But he noted, “Almost anything would be an improvement over the clown show we’ve got now.” A leading proponent of Israel’s detection techniques agreed the TSA will be severely tested. “The question is obviously, what is the quality of the verbal interaction that is going to be implemented?” asked Rafi Ron, a former Logan consultant and CEO of New-Age Security Solutions. “If it will have a poor quality, then obviously it will be another way to waste taxpayer money and increase the hassle to passengers. If not, then this will be great.” Civil libertarians argue the screening is TSA showmanship — coming just weeks before the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks — and could quickly devolve into profiling. “It’s an ineffective waste of taxpayer dollars that has the potential and the reality of leading to profiling based on race and ethnicity,” said Massachusetts ACLU executive director Carol Rose, who dismissed SPOT as “security theater.” Logan’s TSA Federal Security Director George Naccara said he doesn’t expect to see longer lines, just better security in the long run. “I’m trying to refocus the screening effort,” he said. “We have finite resources, so we have to figure out a way to use them more efficiently.” Under the SPOT program, as passengers hand over their boarding passes and identification, specially trained agents will ask three to four questions — from “Where have you been?” to “Do you have a business card?” and “Where are you traveling?” — while looking for “micro expressions,” such as lack of eye contact, that might hint at nefarious intent. Suspicious individuals will be pulled aside for more questioning, full-body scans and pat-downs. If the encounter escalates, agents will call in state police. At Logan, about 70 agents — all with college degrees — are undergoing training by an international consulting firm that includes a four-day classroom course and 24 hours of on-the-job experience, said TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis. Logan passenger Lina Texeira, 41, of Clearwater, Fla., a nurse who has done psychiatric training, said yesterday she backs the SPOT program — to a point. “You’re telling me someone with a three-week training course is going to be able to do that?” she said. “It’s not against the TSA. I just don’t think the training they’re getting is enough.”"

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1355725

[Edited on August 2, 2011 at 8:11 AM. Reason : lkj]

8/2/2011 8:10:55 AM

Quote :

"wtf makes the Israelis so much better than us?"

this is honestly one of the first times i've heard anyone say something to that effect.

everyone loves to shit on america, especially americans.

8/2/2011 8:13:32 AM

Quote :

"that might hint at nefarious intent"

shit, no more mustache twirling at the airport for me

8/2/2011 8:17:35 AM

^^ unfortunately we do have many problems joice.

At-least in the engineering community its well known that tight tolerances can't be met in the US without prior emphasizing the tolerances and driving up the cost of the project where in germany italy etc. they bid on what you design not what they think you really mean.

8/2/2011 8:46:58 AM

Quote :

"wtf makes the Israelis so much better than us?"

I wouldn't say it's that they're any better than us so much as TSA has about the same standards for hiring as Wal Mart.

8/2/2011 8:52:35 AM

Quote :

"[wtf makes the Israelis so much better than us? ]"

Every single one of them is trained military who live in a perpetual warzone. Not hard to imagine that they get better threat-assessment training than the TSA.

8/2/2011 9:19:57 AM