^^ Makes sense.

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

7/24/2007 4:21:48 PM

i dont mean to beat a dead horse


but read bill chens' book

7/24/2007 4:33:12 PM

^^ The prize pool is usually heavily weighted for the final table, so it almost always makes sense to go for it. Maybe if I was down to one blind post I'd try to hold out, but other than that....

7/24/2007 4:37:22 PM

Yeh I think i'll go pick that up after work. I hear it's pretty intense on the math, but i've been through Calc3/Diffeq, I hope it dosen't get crazier than that.

7/24/2007 4:41:01 PM

Unless it incorporates number theory, I'm not wasting my time.

7/24/2007 4:51:30 PM

it's intense.

7/24/2007 5:51:08 PM

orgasmic?

7/24/2007 5:52:11 PM

i read math theory books for fun.

close to orgasmic... combining two of my obsessions...

[Edited on July 24, 2007 at 5:54 PM. Reason : e]

7/24/2007 5:53:21 PM

Quote :

"so ive never taken the time to play in one of these rake the rake freerolls. $10,000 and 160 players. not bad. and i still haven't gotten paid "

got the money yesterday...


for all you rtr guys out there, check it out.. it's actually worth it..

the payout structure blew this month, but it's a freeroll...

this month there were ~360 eligable players, so they paid top 40.

however less than 150 showed up...

i finished like 38th for $45.

I mean, a 150 person $10k freeroll is pretty hot

7/25/2007 11:23:03 AM

so wait

what site is this on?

7/25/2007 1:52:41 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/25/humans-fend-off-ai-challenge-in-milestone-poker-match/

Quote :

"It apparently wasn't easy, but a pair of top human poker players managed to narrowly beat a brash young artificial intelligence program yesterday in a poker match scientists had touted as a "milestone" comparable to Garry Kasparov's 1997 bout with the IBM's chess-playing Deep Blue. According to the AFP, the four-round match stretched on until 11pm, with poker players Phil Laak and Ali Eslami ultimately edging out the program, dubbed Polaris, by 570 points. Eslami seems to have been particularly impressed by his competitor, saying that he found playing against Polaris more exhausting than any previous game in his career, adding that "it's already so good it will be tough to beat in future." No word on a rematch just yet, but don't be surprised if you run into Polaris the next time you play a little online poker -- it's gotta recoup its losses somehow. "

7/25/2007 1:57:21 PM

http://www.raketherake.com/

Please refer me if you sign up: RTR17230

7/25/2007 2:14:51 PM

you're such a whore david

7/25/2007 2:20:00 PM

I can't deny it.

7/25/2007 2:32:25 PM

david, what if i all ready have an account on a site, can i still get on RTR?

7/25/2007 4:04:43 PM

yes, you can.


but use mine.


RTR14846

7/25/2007 4:15:31 PM

all ready

7/25/2007 4:44:55 PM

Yes, you can, but you need to uninstall the program first, clear your cache/cookies/temp internet files, and then redownload it from the link they give. Oh and you have to use referral code RTR17230 or else your second account will not work.

7/25/2007 4:55:42 PM

If you want a way to actually get money on the site, you need to use RTR10924. PM me for details.



pwnt

7/25/2007 5:48:56 PM

Back to even. Bottom pair will be the death of me...

7/25/2007 5:59:09 PM

Can I get some of you guys' read on a hand? Just wondering if any of you would have played this differently.

Its about 45 minutes into the regional championship for a poker league I'm in (so give the players so credit that they know what they are doing although it is free poker). Everyone starts out with 5000 and blinds are at 100/200, everyone is playing tight. I've been getting junk and folding everything except my blinds (it's gone around the table about 1 and a half times.

9 people at the table, I get pocket kings in 4th position. UTG folds, so does the person in 2nd position. 3rd person raises to 600 (3 times BB). I consider re-raising, but seeing as how everyone is playing really tight, I just call. The two people to my left fold, the dealer calls, and both blinds fold. There is 2100 in the pot.

Flop: A K 6 (rainbow)

Original raiser checks. I decide to check, hoping they have a big Ace and will bet out later thinking they have me beat. Of course they could have a pocket pair that they are unsure of now, unless it's Aces. Dealer checks too.

Turn: 5

Original raiser bets 600, and I decide to re-raise to 1200 just in case someone were waiting for a runner-runner flush (you never know). Dealer folds. Original raiser thinks for a while and then goes all in. I only have 100 more than them.

Do you lay down trip Kings or do you call?

7/25/2007 6:06:11 PM

Instacall?

7/25/2007 6:11:05 PM

ooh my...

River (board: 8c 8d Tc Ac 5c):



Showdown:

pilgrimshoes shows 8h 8s.
pilgrimshoes has 8h 8s 8c 8d Ac: four eights.
faarcyde mucks cards.
(faarcyde has Ts Td.)
Hohbag mucks cards.
(Hohbag has 7c 9c.)

7/25/2007 6:11:21 PM

easy call

7/25/2007 6:11:26 PM

don't ever lay down there

7/25/2007 6:15:37 PM

OK, I didn't. Of course, it turned out they had pocket Aces, and kicked my ass.

My read was maybe they hit a big Ace (AQ, AJ, AK is unlikely), or had pocket 5s or 6s and happened to hit them for a smaller set (also pretty unlikely, but some people like to bet those instead of limp). A5 or A6 would be two pair, but I didn't think they would raise with that from middle position. 3 times BB is pretty small raise for pocket Aces, so I just couldn't get that read.

My only thoughts were, should I be able to read that 45 minutes into a tournament against a player I've never played with? Too short to really get a read on. Everyone I've talked to has said the same thing, you can't lay down trip Kings in that situation.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 6:24 PM. Reason : ,]

7/25/2007 6:19:39 PM

ok this is just getting silly


River (board: Ad Ks 6s Ah 7s):




Showdown:

pilgrimshoes shows Ac As.
pilgrimshoes has Ac As Ad Ks Ah: four aces.
13Matta mucks cards.
(13Matta has 7d 7h.)

7/25/2007 6:20:48 PM

Quote :

"OK, I didn't. Of course, it turned out they had pocket Aces, and kicked my ass. My only thoughts were, should I be able to read that 45 minutes into a tournament against a player I've never played with? To short to really get a read on."

i dont care how good of a read you've got there.

in a free poker situation with fast blinds blah blah blah blah

if you dont call there you're losing a ton of value

7/25/2007 6:21:51 PM

Well if you put them on pocket Aces, then you have to lay it down right? What value do you lose if you are positive they have the Aces? The odds of drawing that 4th King to beat them are ridiculously slim. Obviously if you put them on anything other than pocket Aces you have to call.

Doesn't the value argument kind of go out the window when you are out of the tournament if you lose? It's not a cash game. It was my intuition that you can't lay that down, so I'm not questioning what you say, just asking for an explanation, because you are more experienced than me, I want to learn.

7/25/2007 6:32:39 PM

Ok, fine, if they flip over their cards and show you aces you can fold, that's the only scenario

7/25/2007 6:37:37 PM

^lol

7/25/2007 8:01:55 PM

if you sign up for rtr, do you only get the one freeroll for the month you sign up, or do you get entered into them monthly?

7/25/2007 10:44:59 PM

monthy if you use my referral ID

7/26/2007 12:50:05 AM

it's the first month just by signing up, then monthly if you qualify by playing 300 hands.


which, takes what, 45 minutes?

7/26/2007 7:14:38 AM

Quote :

"Well if you put them on pocket Aces, then you have to lay it down right? What value do you lose if you are positive they have the Aces? The odds of drawing that 4th King to beat them are ridiculously slim. Obviously if you put them on anything other than pocket Aces you have to call. Doesn't the value argument kind of go out the window when you are out of the tournament if you lose? It's not a cash game. It was my intuition that you can't lay that down, so I'm not questioning what you say, just asking for an explanation, because you are more experienced than me, I want to learn."

Theres only 2 possible reasons/situations I would EVER consider laying this hand down (and i'm pretty a tight player).

1) Super sat to the WSOP main event on the bubble (maybe, just maybe).
2) If I lose I have to bang Angela Lansbury.

7/26/2007 9:53:16 AM

ok i seriously just horked a bite of a blueberry scone into my nose from reading that post and laughing unexpectedly

7/26/2007 10:01:21 AM

lol

7/26/2007 10:04:07 AM

chocolate chip > blueberry

7/26/2007 10:06:51 AM

Ahh i'm gonna have a nice weekend on the gambling boat with the 2-5 7xx bb raisers. Gonna be sweet.

7/26/2007 10:23:53 AM

Quote :

"Theres only 2 possible reasons/situations I would EVER consider laying this hand down (and i'm pretty a tight player). 1) Super sat to the WSOP main event on the bubble (maybe, just maybe). 2) If I lose I have to bang Angela Lansbury. "

Sigh. I already said I called. I did it without hesitation. I wasn't arguing the call, I obviously think it's the right move since I did it, I was merely asking for an explanation of what he meant by "if you dont call there you're losing a ton of value".

7/26/2007 10:35:04 AM

you're obviously being very results oriented

how often does opponent's trip aces trump your trip kings with AKx board?

i wouldn't give this a second thought...just bad luck

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 10:40 AM. Reason : .]

7/26/2007 10:40:01 AM

agreed

7/26/2007 10:42:27 AM

Your losing a ton of value because the liklihood of him holding AA vs. QQ, JJ, TT, 99, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, A6, 66, 55, etc... is very small.

Think about it, one possible hand out of probably 15 realistic holdings would give you negative return. All things considered, i'll take a 94% chance to double chips any day.

7/26/2007 10:42:58 AM

Shit, I just realized this thread is 3+ years old. Where has the time gone...

7/26/2007 10:43:30 AM

^^ Thank you, that's all I was asking for. That makes sense from a statistics point of view, I wasn't really thinking of it that way. You know its like before you've heard of pot-odds, some people can figure out on intuition that they should get in on a huge pot if its cheap.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 10:46 AM. Reason : ^]

7/26/2007 10:46:11 AM

Right.



If you want to learn more about statistical measures like eV I recommend downloading poker stove, or one of the 8 million sit-n-go quiz softwares available. I believe theres a sticky on forums.twoplustwo.com in the sit-n-go section that lists off alot of those type of software. They definitley come in handy.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 10:53 AM. Reason : .]

7/26/2007 10:53:13 AM

pokerstove is the heat.


for equity ranges and the like

7/26/2007 11:17:25 AM

I need to get back into all this and current on what type of software is out there and helpful for the online player

I haven't played online in about 2 years

7/26/2007 1:26:55 PM

does anyone in this thread actually play live poker in raleigh?



[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 5:52 PM. Reason : dfs]

7/26/2007 5:51:17 PM

I still do, used to play more before Matt's got broken up.

My Fiancé deals a lot.

7/26/2007 8:26:36 PM