^come on now David. you had the 4th best possible hand and he had the 5th best possible hand. i'm pretty sure if the roles were swithced it would have been a pretty similar outcome.

well i guess he actually had the 8th best hand but still against the small blind i'm sure you would have stayed in..

besides you should be ashamed your gay 8-2 outdrew A-8

[Edited on February 20, 2005 at 11:09 AM. Reason : page 19]

[Edited on February 20, 2005 at 11:15 AM. Reason : .]

2/20/2005 11:09:31 AM

He should have reraised on the flop. I would have three bet and he would have folded.

2/20/2005 1:39:05 PM

I agree, I think the worst play is you voluntarily pitching another .25 in to see the flop. With only two other people in the pot it makes very little sense since you probably won't get paid off even if you do catch a great flop. Sure its just a quarter put you could catch something on the flop and still be beat thus further draining your chips. It ended up working out for you since you caught what basically is the best hand avaialable to you with 82s but I still don't like the preflop play.

2/20/2005 1:41:29 PM

It was 8-2 suited. I was getting 1-5 pot odds, plus I was going to bet the flop no matter what. I'll call with 27 off on the button just b/c I can outplay half those fools at the $25 tables...


When I double up in tournaments it is on small/big blind half the time b/c I flop two pair and since those retards don't pay attention to position they push all in with top pair thinking there is no way I could have 8-2....

[Edited on February 20, 2005 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ]

2/20/2005 1:44:15 PM

I'm sure you can. (no sarcasm intended) But still 1-5 pot odds in that situation aren't good. You don't have a 20% chance of winning that hand.

2/20/2005 1:46:58 PM

There was no way to know I was dominated, i.e. A8 vs 82, but if it was something like A7 vs 82 it is almost a coin flip...

2/20/2005 1:49:49 PM

no it isn't

2/20/2005 2:42:17 PM

A7 offsuit against 82 suited is 60/40
A7 suited against 82 (different suited) is 63/37
A7 suited against 82 (same suited) is 66/34

so assuming first case, it is almost a coin flip

2/20/2005 3:45:35 PM

Statistically speaking, in online poker (or in any poker, but especially online) it behooves you to see as many flops as possible, for the very reason that David showed you: because people refuse to lay down top pair, A kicker. I swear to God, I have played with so many people online who either don't raise, or raise the blind from .50 to 1.00 who make this move.

I was playing QJ from the big blind one time, no callers until the small blind, who then raised it from $.50 to $1.00. Now, QJ, KJ, KQ offsuit is normally not a hand I play, but it's not all that bad heads up, especially to a $.50 raise. Anyways, flop comes 8910, no flush draw, so I am looking good. He immediately comes out firing, this time with a bet of $15. I was like, wtf can this guy be playing with, so of course I called. Next card was a 2, no help, he bets $40. At this point I am thinking... overpair, maybe trips, I mean God knows what. Anyway, last card is a K, so I still have the nuts. He bets another $40, I go the rest of the way in for whatever was left, he calls. He was playing A10. Yes, he lost over $100 to me because he would not lay down top pair, top kicker.

Moral of the story here, if people make it cheap to see flops, then see flops, because people just will not fold sometimes.

2/20/2005 3:52:32 PM

Quote :

"A7 offsuit against 82 suited is 60/40"

Take some notes toemoss

[Edited on February 20, 2005 at 4:02 PM. Reason : ]

2/20/2005 4:01:37 PM

I just played in a tournament at chuckems, part of the world tavern poker series. Got 1st overall, out of 80 people. came back from last place in chips about halfway through to win it.

final hand, got pocket jacks to beat pocket 9's.

1st prize wasnt bad either

i was pretty happy, my 1st tournament to play and 1st place.



also, a quick question... if you get pocket 2's, and someone raised pre-flop, do you pay to see it?
i was about middle of the run on chips, and a guy put in a pretty big raise. about 40 percent of my total chips. 8 people left. i folded em, and ended up would have hit it.
wise for me to fold, or should i go for it?
any statistical #'s on success with pocket 2's would be appreciated.

[Edited on February 20, 2005 at 6:41 PM. Reason : also, a quick question...]

2/20/2005 6:15:11 PM

just as a general guideline, i'd suggest folding to a preflop raise.

best you can hope for is that he has two overs, in which case it's a coinflip. if he has a pocket pair, you're a big underdog.

obviously, there are cases where you may want to call. but it would depend on your opponent, and what position you are in at the table.

2/20/2005 8:26:27 PM

You should most likely fold. I would push if I was short stacked and was desperately looking for a 50/50 chance to double up.

2/20/2005 11:09:12 PM

###############################################
Stage #87813307: Holdem No Limit $0.10 [2005-02-20 01:10:06]
Seat 4 - WELL_HUNG69 $10.15 in chips
Seat 5 - PAISOMAN $21.45 in chips
Seat 6 - VENOMPSYCHO $9.25 in chips
Seat 7 - SPDRACER $10 in chips
Seat 9 - THEHUSTLER13 $11.35 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 4] ***
PAISOMAN - Post small blind $0.10
VENOMPSYCHO - Post big blind $0.25
SPDRACER - Post $0.25
VENOMPSYCHO - Pocket [9s,Ac]
SPDRACER - Checks
THEHUSTLER13 - Calls $0.25
WELL_HUNG69 - Calls $0.25
PAISOMAN - Calls $0.15
VENOMPSYCHO - Checks
*** FLOP [2c,7d,9c] ***
PAISOMAN - Bets $0.50
VENOMPSYCHO - All-In(Raise) $0.50 to $9
SPDRACER - Folds
THEHUSTLER13 - Calls $9
WELL_HUNG69 - All-In(Raise) $9 to $9.90
PAISOMAN - Calls $9.40
THEHUSTLER13 - Calls $0.90
*** TURN [2c,7d,9c,Js] ***
PAISOMAN - Checks
THEHUSTLER13 - Checks
*** RIVER [2c,7d,9c,Js,3s] ***
PAISOMAN - Checks
THEHUSTLER13 - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PAISOMAN - Show cards [6c,7c]
VENOMPSYCHO - Show cards [9s,Ac]
THEHUSTLER13 - Lost mucks
WELL_HUNG69 - Lost mucks
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($39.95:$37.25,$2.70,$0) Rake ($1.95)
Board [2c,7d,9c,Js,3s]
WELL_HUNG69 - HI: [Lost mucks]
PAISOMAN - Total ($2.70) HI$2.70)One pair, sevens [6c,7c - B:7d,P:7c,B:Js,B:9c,P:6c]
VENOMPSYCHO - Total ($35.30) All-In HI$35.30)One pair, nines [9s,Ac - P:9s,B:9c,P:Ac,B:Js,B:7d]
SPDRACER - Folded on the FLOP
THEHUSTLER13 - HI: [Lost mucks]

2/21/2005 3:58:59 PM

sorry i dont have any poker stories cuz i think its just another hobby

but i think its ridiculous how many people
jump on the bandwagon and think its awesome .... for those of you that did you suck alot

[Edited on February 21, 2005 at 5:29 PM. Reason : h]

2/21/2005 5:27:04 PM

Quote :

"for those of you that did you suck alot"

I do not mind being insulted by someone with the spelling skills of a third grader. I play poker to pay my rent since I don't have mommy and daddy giving me an allowance. Also, I feel sure I am making more money now playing poker then you will with your shitty PRT degree.

2/22/2005 7:41:03 AM

^^Thats the dumbest thing I have heard. I dont think anyone plays it to be cool, or are jupming on a bandwagon. Poker is something that is fun to play, and its a great way to make a little money, and meet some new people. Is it wrong for someone to take up something new, that is popular, and happens to be fun to play?

btw, finally caught my first quad Aces last night...

###############################################
Stage #88628966: Holdem Normal $0.25/$0.50 [2005-02-21 22:39:37]
Seat 1 - BILLYBULLY $6.85 in chips
Seat 3 - TMM1969 $24.02 in chips
Seat 4 - MJAZZ4ME $4.50 in chips
Seat 6 - SAWBUCK $3.50 in chips
Seat 7 - VENOMPSYCHO $4.85 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 7] ***
BILLYBULLY - Post small blind $0.10
TMM1969 - Post big blind $0.25
VENOMPSYCHO - Pocket [Ad,5s]
MJAZZ4ME - Folds
SAWBUCK - Folds
VENOMPSYCHO - Calls $0.25
BILLYBULLY - Calls $0.15
TMM1969 - Checks
*** FLOP [Js,Jd,Ac] ***
BILLYBULLY - Bets $0.25
TMM1969 - Folds
VENOMPSYCHO - Calls $0.25
*** TURN [Js,Jd,Ac,As] ***
BILLYBULLY - Bets $0.50
VENOMPSYCHO - Raises $0.50 to $1
BILLYBULLY - Raises $0.50 to $1.50
VENOMPSYCHO - Raises $0.50 to $2
BILLYBULLY - Calls $0.50
*** RIVER [Js,Jd,Ac,As,Ah] ***
BILLYBULLY - Bets $0.50
VENOMPSYCHO - Raises $0.50 to $1
BILLYBULLY - Raises $0.50 to $1.50
VENOMPSYCHO - Raises $0.50 to $2
BILLYBULLY - Calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
VENOMPSYCHO - Show cards [Ad,5s]
BILLYBULLY - Lost mucks
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($9.25) Rake ($0.45)
Board [Js,Jd,Ac,As,Ah]
BILLYBULLY - HI: [Lost mucks]
TMM1969 - Folded on the FLOP
MJAZZ4ME - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
SAWBUCK - Folded on the POCKET CARDS
VENOMPSYCHO - Total ($8.80) HI$8.80)Four of a kind, aces [Ad,5s - B:As,B:Ah,P:Ad,B:Ac,B:Js]

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[Edited on February 22, 2005 at 9:26 AM. Reason : .]

2/22/2005 9:21:36 AM

Quote :

"it behooves you to see as many flops as possible"

Good word usage Jim.

2/22/2005 3:56:19 PM

what was the situation up there for you to go all in with a pair of nines?
gutsy, i guess. not something i would do, but, glad it worked out for ya.

answered my own question, you were the short stack.

[Edited on February 22, 2005 at 10:53 PM. Reason : a]

2/22/2005 10:53:08 PM

i placed 2nd a tournament today, pretty big pot

if anyone wants to go share cards on a 25/50 table or something im down

JUST KIDDING (pm me ok)

[Edited on February 23, 2005 at 1:26 AM. Reason : got taken out by pocket 6s... i had AA and went all in. motherfuckers]

2/23/2005 1:22:54 AM

Gotta love it when you sit down at the 10/20 table, and this happens....

###############################################
Stage #88730728: Holdem (1 on 1) Normal $10/$20 [2005-02-23 01:17:43]
Seat 4 - UMICHIGANLAW $200 in chips
Seat 6 - VENOMPSYCHO $100 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 6] ***
UMICHIGANLAW - Post small blind $2
VENOMPSYCHO - Post big blind $5
VENOMPSYCHO - Pocket [2s,8d]
UMICHIGANLAW - Calls $3
VENOMPSYCHO - Checks
*** FLOP [Ah,4h,2h] ***
UMICHIGANLAW - Bets $10
VENOMPSYCHO - Raises $10 to $20
UMICHIGANLAW - Calls $10
*** TURN [Ah,4h,2h,4s] ***
UMICHIGANLAW - Checks
VENOMPSYCHO - Bets $20
UMICHIGANLAW - Calls $20
*** RIVER [Ah,4h,2h,4s,4d] ***
UMICHIGANLAW - Checks
VENOMPSYCHO - Bets $20
UMICHIGANLAW - Calls $20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
VENOMPSYCHO - Show cards [2s,8d]
UMICHIGANLAW - Lost mucks
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($130) Rake ($1)
Board [Ah,4h,2h,4s,4d]
UMICHIGANLAW - HI: [Lost mucks]
VENOMPSYCHO - Total ($129) HI$129)Full house, fours full of twos [2s,8d - B:4s,B:4h,B:4d,P:2s,B:2h]

2/23/2005 11:45:58 AM

love that what happens?? if he has a single heart you were still a slight underdog after that flop.

2/23/2005 1:55:08 PM

2/23/2005 2:01:53 PM

^^I loved it that I sit down and I get 8-2 my first hand and win $30 off it.

2/23/2005 4:03:59 PM

Actually, $65

2/23/2005 4:35:33 PM

Thats cause you are playing with some morons...

I need to get into that game

2/23/2005 4:58:33 PM

What site was that on Mac?

2/23/2005 5:00:59 PM

^^ going to a $10/20 table heads up with the minimum amount allowed? that just sounds moronic to me.

I wouldn't even say the other guys play was completely moronic. Maybe the call on the turn or river, but the guy could have easily had a solid draw. Or even had the flush on the flop and lost because of the running 4's. (in that case he's a bigger moron for just checking and calling).

either way, i doubt i'd reraise the flop with bottom pair and 3 hearts on the board.

2/23/2005 5:23:52 PM

anyone ever seen this guy goodluck711 on poker room?

fucking hilarious

ALL IN

2/23/2005 7:11:51 PM

^^^Absolute Poker

Oh, and I was drunk as shit when I sat down at that table. I swear I play better online when I have been drinking.

[Edited on February 23, 2005 at 7:42 PM. Reason : .]

2/23/2005 7:41:58 PM

No offense man, but betting that much with bottom pair, after 3 suited cards come on the flop..... that's not really what I call "good solid play". You either outdrew a flush, or you ran into an absolute retard.

2/23/2005 8:31:43 PM

^That was my whole point man. I know thats shitty play. I was drunk, sat down at the 10/20 tabel, got shitty cards, and won $65. I never said it was good solid play, or that I even played good.

2/23/2005 11:15:36 PM

Quote :

"I never said it was good solid play, or that I even played good."

Well if your poker skills are related to your grammatical skills in any way....

2/23/2005 11:20:06 PM

I Was typing a reply, sorry I didnt proof read it and send it to my editor for revision. Its a fucking post on a message board, sorry if it doesnt meet your grammatical standards

2/23/2005 11:39:18 PM

I cleaned up the car dealers game tonight, and finally got myself out of lifetime poker debt. I was dealt pocket Aces in the big blind, and 2 people were all-in for close to a hundred each by the time it got back to me. So I gladly called. First guy was bluffing with 2-7 suited, other guy had offsuit big slick. So I was about 77% to win before the flop. Flop was 7 8 4 one spade, which left me about the same odds of winning. Turn was a 2 making me a huge dog. But I got extremely lucky and an 8 came on the river giving me a better 2 pair.

Pretty crazy night overall, almost no straights, and probably close to 20 boats. One poor guy had 14 open ended straight draws, and didn't hit a single one all night.

2/23/2005 11:52:16 PM

Quote :

"I Was typing a reply, sorry I didnt proof read it and send it to my editor for revision. Its a fucking post on a message board, sorry if it doesnt meet your grammatical standards "

It isn't a typo or a small spelling mistake its a simple grammar rule which for some reason 90% of the retards I come in contant with are unfamiliar.

2/24/2005 12:00:00 AM

Quote :

"I do not mind being insulted by someone with the spelling skills of a third grader. I play poker to pay my rent since I don't have mommy and daddy giving me an allowance. Also, I feel sure I am making more money now playing poker then you will with your shitty PRT degree."

why don't you just get a job like everyone else does. That way you aren't relying on mom and dad, and you aren't putting your last few dollars on a limb to see if this month's rent will be paid or not.

2/24/2005 1:54:38 AM

Yeah David, get a job. Your luck is gonna run out!!1

2/24/2005 3:45:21 AM

Quote :

"why don't you just get a job like everyone else does. That way you aren't relying on mom and dad, and you aren't putting your last few dollars on a limb to see if this month's rent will be paid or not."

One word: B-A-N-K-R-O-L-L

2/24/2005 9:11:28 AM

^I know you are a good player David. I have seen the tourneys you placed high in. How much is your online bankroll up to now, and what did you start at? I am currently around $300 and put in 25. All in the past week and a half.

2/24/2005 6:22:24 PM

I used to always keep $500 in there and whenever I got up to $1000 I would cash out half. I probably have about $2000 in there now since I put a grand in for their deposit bonus last month and never took it out. I started with $50 and lost it, then put in another $50 and lost it, then but in another $50 and turn that into about 10K. It is always nice to have a good size bankroll b/c I can easily open up 4 nl tables and bust ouf of all of them in a few minutes. The higher stakes you paly the bigger your bankroll needs to be. I think in limit its like 200-300X the bb.

[Edited on February 24, 2005 at 11:46 PM. Reason : ]

2/24/2005 11:42:17 PM

OK advice guys, what do you do if you're at a table with a complete and utter idiot who keeps outdrawing everyone and has a huge stack? Play or switch tables? It's a $50 table and I busted out twice to him.

Hand 1: He raises preflop, I call with 22. Flop is 952. I bet .$50 to bait him into a reraise, which he seems to always do. Sure enough, he goes all-in, which is great. Well, turn is a K, river a 9... he was raising preflop with 95 offsuit. Bam, bad beat one.

Hand 2: He raises preflop, I call with 33. Flop is 456, he immediately goes all-in. Reluctantly, I call. Of course he was playing K7, and hits a K on the river. Not as bad, but still shitty.

I have rebuilt my stack up to $241, obviously recouping my losses and much more, but not from this guy. He is still sitting there, with $313, bullying everyone around (as I type, I just won $25 from him), my stack now at $263. But I am seriously afraid to get in a hand with this guy. He has outdrawn KK with QQ (all-in preflop) and he goes all-in on about half of his bets, usually after the flop, so there is almost ALWAYS a way to get outdrawn.

I was initially really really frustrated, actually I still am. I really feel there should be some justice in the world, even with poker... no especially with poker. I know I am not the greatest poker player of all time, but I do have a really good grasp of the mathematical side of things. People will get outdrawn, but to have it happen time and time again by the same guy is unbelievably upsetting and frustrating. And then, when he starts talking shit, after he just outdrew a set, or outdrew KK..... I dunno. I figure you guys are not nearly as prone to letting emotions get in the way as myself, but I don't see how you do it.

2/26/2005 10:53:49 AM

Quote :

"OK advice guys, what do you do if you're at a table with a complete and utter idiot who keeps outdrawing everyone and has a huge stack? Play or switch tables? "

Play. Don't ever switch. Don't leave until the other person does. I have extended my sessions sometimes just because someone has like 6X the buy in because they caught on horrible hands. Like recently one guy kept pushing all in on every flush draw. He was catching each time even against sets and stuff. Thanks to me he left the table with about $3.

Quote :

"I figure you guys are not nearly as prone to letting emotions get in the way as myself, but I don't see how you do it."

Why does it matter unless you are playing professionally? It's not like you wont be able to eat the following week if you have a bad session.

[Edited on February 26, 2005 at 11:18 AM. Reason : ]

2/26/2005 11:17:35 AM

Holy shit...... I just took his stack.

I guess I will reluctantly admit my screen name is JennyB2004. David is right, people do not respect female players, so oftentimes they will call with poor hands, or try and bluff.

Game #733300359 - (blinds $0.25/$0.50) No Limit Texas Hold'em -
2005/02/26-10:05:46.3 (CST)
Table "Naxos (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: chodget1 ($124.75 in chips)
Seat 2: freestyle_kc ($50.00 in chips)
Seat 3: JennyB2004 ($297.00 in chips)
Seat 5: mx4ever ($276.50 in chips)
mx4ever : Post Small Blind ($0.25)
chodget1: Post Big Blind ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ Tc ]
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ Td ]
freestyle_kc: Fold
JennyB2004: Call ($0.50)
mx4ever : Call ($0.25)
chodget1: Raise ($3)
JennyB2004: Call ($3)
mx4ever : Call ($3)
*** FLOP *** : [ Qh 2h Ts ]
mx4ever : Check
chodget1: Bet ($7)
JennyB2004: Raise ($14)
mx4ever : Raise ($273)
freestyle_kc said, "LOL"
chodget1: Fold
JennyB2004 said, "i know he is on a flush draw"
JennyB2004 said, "and I have 10 10"
freestyle_kc said, "so call"
JennyB2004: Call ($259)
*** TURN *** : [ Qh 2h Ts ] [ 3h ]
*** RIVER *** : [ Qh 2h Ts 3h ] [ 9c ]
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $561.50 | Rake: $2
Board: [ Qh 2h Ts 3h 9c ]
chodget1 lost $10.50 (folded)
freestyle_kc didn't bet (folded)
JennyB2004 bet $276.50, collected $561.50, net +$285 (showed hand) [ Tc Td ]
(three of a kind, tens)
mx4ever lost $276.50 (showed hand) [ Qs Ad ] (a pair of queens)

I was scared shitless of the flush draw, but luckily he didn't have hearts. I know this isn't that big of a deal.... a set beats top pair, ace kicker, but it is so nice to take this dumbass down who kept shelling out bad beats on me. Plus, it was a $300 hand for me, so nothing to complain about there.

2/26/2005 11:25:53 AM

Quote :

"Why does it matter unless you are playing professionally? It's not like you wont be able to eat the following week if you have a bad session."

That's my biggest problem. I take it personally when a bad player beats me. I never like to lose, but then again, who does. It's just when a total idiot takes my money that really bothers me. It is a horrible trait for a poker player, and one I have to get over.

2/26/2005 11:28:31 AM

Quote :

"I guess I will reluctantly admit my screen name is JennyB2004"

8-6-7-5-3-0-9

2/26/2005 1:03:12 PM

any of you guys play in the world tavern poker series?

2/26/2005 1:32:40 PM

no


Jim, this is the reason why I will never quit Party Poker.

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lisas8675309 [ Qh Qc ]
cryptical folds.
lisas8675309 calls [$0.5].
LASTYKRO is all-In [$22.25]
Gold_Coast folds.
topgun322 folds.
OnlyForWin folds.
dusty2326 folds.
Skywalker_ folds.
SSSpeer folds.
Marik73 folds.
lisas8675309 calls [$21.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 9s, 8d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
lisas8675309 shows [ Qh, Qc ] a pair of queens.
LASTYKRO doesn't show [ Kd, Js ] a pair of jacks.
lisas8675309 wins $43 from the main pot with a pair of queens.

2/26/2005 3:07:28 PM

Ok...............So I win 5 dollars in a freeroll and I work it up and want to cash some out. I get an e-mail saying no I can't. Talk to live support and they say you have top play 5 hands for every dollar of the promotional money (so I thought the 5 dollars) I was like 25 hands isn't that many, I can do that.

Cash some money in (25), and play 25 hands and they tell me I should play 562 to cash money out. DAMMIT!!

So I start to play and I hit a royal. I get 100 in promotion money. Another 500 hands before I can cash anything out.


So I have played 175 hands have over 700 in the account and I keep winning more promotional money. Hit milestones they give you rake bonuses back. I will never be able to cash out




Get my money out of purgatory jail!!!!!!!!!1

2/26/2005 10:38:21 PM

562 isn't that many

2/26/2005 11:03:39 PM