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"I must admit, now owning a PS3, its a great Blu-Ray player as well. The format is technologically better, and honestly, the early adopters are really fueling this Hi-Def war. Even with the blows of exclusive contracts and such, nothing has even tempted me to go with a HD DVD player. Almost every title I want has been on Blu-Ray, and honestly I think Disney going with Sony will help this more in the family market too."

Yep. QFT.

I've been spoiled, I'm no longer buying any more standard DVDs. Only High-def movies. If the movie is available in a format that I can play, I'll buy it. If not, I'll just wait until it is.

11/29/2007 2:16:40 PM

As previously mentioned, Girls Gone Wild comes out on both formats next week. I've read some early previews and they all agree: You can see extra ass-pimples on the Blu-Ray version, so Blu-Ray obviously wins.

11/29/2007 2:38:28 PM

obviously loses, who wants to see that shit?

11/29/2007 3:30:10 PM

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"on the idea that the ps3 is mostly a console, for me it's both, exactly like the ps2 was with dvd's "

yes, exactly. Its BOTH. Not just a movie player.

11/29/2007 3:30:55 PM

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"obviously loses, who wants to see that shit?"

It just makes it so real... The pimples are so vibrant it looks like you could reach out and pop them yourself. THAT kind of realism can't be accomplished on HD-DVD, clearly.

11/29/2007 4:07:41 PM

This thread should be locked...

11/29/2007 4:13:49 PM

surely anyone clicking on this thread knows exactly what to expect... right?

11/29/2007 4:30:22 PM

Someone will just make another. People want to know which player to buy. A lot of people don't even know that Blu-ray and HD DVD are two different things.

11/29/2007 4:30:47 PM

^ & ^^ & ^^^ i agree with you all

11/29/2007 4:58:11 PM

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"It just makes it so real... The pimples are so vibrant it looks like you could reach out and pop them yourself. THAT kind of realism can't be accomplished on HD-DVD, clearly."

i always wondered how 1080p is better than 1080p

11/29/2007 5:29:49 PM

11/29/2007 5:53:08 PM

^i'm going to go ahead and assume those are to the jackass that said GGW pimples look better on blu ray than HD DVD.

11/29/2007 7:02:56 PM

philips BDP9000/37B blu-ray player, $300 - $120 off coupon (OUTLET-1207) = $180 from philips outlet: http://tinyurl.com/2h887r

via ben's bargains...philips' site is slow, though

[Edited on November 29, 2007 at 7:08 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2007 7:05:48 PM

I think Fanatik was being sarcastic, Golov.

^Thats an enticing deal, but looking into it further reveals why its priced so low.

11/30/2007 1:46:18 AM

http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/philips-bdp9000/4505-6463_7-31899428.html

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"The good: Slick design; excellent picture quality on Blu-ray and DVD; DVD upconversion to 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p; very good remote; HDMI output and included cable. The bad: Expensive; inferior support for both DTS and Dolby surround formats on DVD; expensive; no HDMI 1.3."

Basically... the only thing you're missing out on here is lossless audio.

11/30/2007 2:43:48 AM

what about gold plated outputs - does it have those

11/30/2007 4:32:51 AM

why would you want gold-plated outputs for a digital connection?

11/30/2007 5:07:00 AM

Tried to buy that Philips player and I got to step 3 of the checkout, after entering billing and shipping addresses and it said something like, while you were shopping, the following item went out of stock and it automatically removed it from my basket

Anyone know if it'd work on a 220-240v socket or would I need some kind of power converter?

Oh nevermind:

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"Power Power supply : 120V, 60Hz Power consumption : 45 W Standby power consumption : <1.5 W "

Pity all consumer electronics aren't like laptops...

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 6:55 AM. Reason : power]

11/30/2007 6:54:48 AM

The player is a refurbished unit for one thing. And I have seen about as many negative owner reviews for it as positive. But I guess its moot anyway if theyre out of stock. My guess is they were trying to get rid of the last of their supply.

11/30/2007 10:36:33 AM

^^^ He doesn't.

At one point I had asked whether or not the PS3 / 360 's six discrete output terminals were gold plated. This was quite obviously a sarcastic way of pointing out the fact they neither even HAS discrete outputs. He's attempting to mock.

Point in fact, gold does carry sound signals better than any other material, but I personally do not use that as a hardline requisite for my equipment. Just a useful surface level indicator.

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 10:50 AM. Reason : ]

11/30/2007 10:49:38 AM

the true indicator of fidelity would, of course, be gold plated routes on the circuit board, as well as all metal layers in the chip being made of gold instead of copper.

11/30/2007 11:34:16 AM

Are you joking?

11/30/2007 11:55:05 AM

this thread (and some of it's regular posters' arguments) has become so ridiculous that no one knows who is being serious anymore.

i love it.

11/30/2007 12:19:02 PM

^sums you up pretty nicely.

11/30/2007 12:42:47 PM

11/30/2007 1:08:09 PM

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"^sums you up pretty nicely."

haha, EXACTLY the response I was expecting from you.
and seriously... you're the moron who thought I was being serious about Girls Gone Wild ass pimples... you can't really be that dense.... right?

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 1:11 PM. Reason : d]

11/30/2007 1:10:10 PM

^Because you were being serious. Nice back peddling there.

exactly the response I was expecting from you! harhar!

11/30/2007 1:17:23 PM

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"the true indicator of fidelity would, of course, be gold plated routes on the circuit board, as well as all metal layers in the chip being made of gold instead of copper."

Depends. Black Gate capacitors are the only ones I've ever seen that have actual gold leads and internals, but that's hardly necessary if you've got a sound circuit design. Diminishing return sets in.

11/30/2007 1:28:56 PM

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As quoted before:

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"VideoScan data includes point-of-sale purchase data from such national chains as Best Buy, Target and Circuit City, but not Wal-Mart, which generally represents about 40% of the DVD sales market."

It's funny, because all these graphs over the past month and change now make complete sense.

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2007 2:10:10 PM

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" Depends. Black Gate capacitors are the only ones I've ever seen that have actual gold leads and internals, but that's hardly necessary if you've got a sound circuit design. Diminishing return sets in."

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11/30/2007 2:13:13 PM

^^I'm sure you're trying to make some snide comment about not having Wal-Mart somehow skews the results in Blu-ray's favor. Well, unfortunately, it's been like this since day one and Nielsen data is still the most widely accepted predictor of sales data. You're not being clever for questioning it, several people on AVSForum have already been banned for trying to make the same (incorrect) point.

DVD sales /= HD media sales. Wal-mart has a terrible selection of HD media, and also has about 2x more Blu-ray's than HD DVDs. There is no reason assume the sales ratio at Wal-mart is any different than anywhere else. Also, had Wal-mart data been included in last weeks figures, it would have been even more skewed in Blu-ray's favor. Wal-mart had far and away the best Thanksgiving PS3 sale, giving away 10 Blu-rays with each PS3 sold.

11/30/2007 2:20:57 PM

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"several people on AVSForum have already been banned for trying to make the same (incorrect) point."

this is the problem I have with imature 'land of the free' bullshit like that. If the popular believe is A) and some people believe B) then the simple solution is ban group B). So I hope you aren't using AVSForum as your proof.

and excluding something as HUGE as wal-mart pretty much throws your credibility out of the window. No if's and's or but's about it.

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"DVD sales /= HD media sales. Wal-mart has a terrible selection of HD media, and also has about 2x more Blu-ray's than HD DVDs. There is no reason assume the sales ratio at Wal-mart is any different than anywhere else. Also, had Wal-mart data been included in last weeks figures, it would have been even more skewed in Blu-ray's favor. Wal-mart had far and away the best Thanksgiving PS3 sale, giving away 10 Blu-rays with each PS3 sold."

All i saw in that post was making an ass out of you and me.

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 2:44 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2007 2:43:52 PM

Giving away doesn't equate to a unit sold. Or maybe it does for Sony, which would also explain a lot and further invalidate numbers.

And yes, I'm going to say that the results are somehow skewed considering a few weeks ago Wal-mart must've moved 50,000 players on their own, have been advertising HD DVD and, you know, they make up 40% of the DVD market. Sure explains why, on the week of the $99 HD DVD player sale HD DVD sales, looked like they dropped, doesn't it?

Also, I couldn't care less about who AVSForum chooses to ban or not ban, but that's awesome that you choose to take it as some kind of proof.

Furthermore, does the VideoScan information even count online retailers?

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 2:47 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2007 2:46:21 PM

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"Giving away doesn't equate to a unit sold. Or maybe it does for Sony, which would also explain a lot and further invalidate numbers. And yes, I'm going to say that the results are somehow skewed considering a few weeks ago Wal-mart must've moved 50,000 players on their own, have been advertising HD DVD and, you know, they make up 40% of the DVD market. Sure explains why, on the week of the $99 HD DVD player sale HD DVD sales, looked like they dropped, doesn't it?"

w1nn3r

11/30/2007 3:01:30 PM

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"this is the problem I have with imature 'land of the free' bullshit like that. If the popular believe is A) and some people believe B) then the simple solution is ban group B). So I hope you aren't using AVSForum as your proof."

It has nothing do with the "popular belief". Until a more accurate 3rd party predictor of home video sales emerges, Nielsen is the best we got. Questioning it's validity is nothing but a giant waste of everyone's time. The moderators of the largest discussion on this subject agree. Of course, pretending it doesn't count is about the only route HD DVD supporters can take, since HD DVD has yet to win a week this year.

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"All i saw in that post was making an ass out of you and me."

Uh, you're welcome to point out a single assumption I made in that post. Every single thing I posted was fact, something HD DVD folks seem to take issue with The only assumption being made here is that Wal-mart has a drastically different HD media sales ratio than the retailers Nielsen does include. Nice try though.

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"Giving away doesn't equate to a unit sold. Or maybe it does for Sony, which would also explain a lot and further invalidate numbers."

Yes they do count. Anything rung up at the register, even for zero dollars, does count. The stuff that doesn't count are movies included in the box and mail in stuff. It's also cute that you think Blu-ray gives away more movies than HD DVD, when it is in fact the complete opposite.

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"Furthermore, does the VideoScan information even count online retailers?"

Yes.

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"7- Who do we know are included? Major brick and mortar consumer electronics stores. Grubert, Kosty, myself and others have confirmed Amazon.com reports to them. "

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12360918#post12360918

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" Sure explains why, on the week of the $99 HD DVD player sale HD DVD sales, looked like they dropped, doesn't it?"

See Golovko, that's an assumption, not what I posted. And no, it doesn't explain a thing, since Best Buy had the same exact sale and has a much larger selection of HD media. Also, 40% of DVD sales doesn't mean jack since we're not talking about DVD sales. Wal-mart is actually well behind Best Buy, Circuit City, and Amazon.com in HD media sales.

All of you really need to do some more research on this subject so you can stop talking out of your asses.

11/30/2007 3:04:32 PM

Don't you HD DVD idiots understand? It's the best we've got. It just can't be wrong. Who cares if it completely omits the largest retailer in the United States who recently pushed a ton of units to market. They don't have every HDM available so surely no one buys there.

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 3:18 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2007 3:17:58 PM

I think every hd-dvd I have ever bought was from walmart.

Actually i know that as a fact

11/30/2007 3:21:18 PM

I've never bought Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, therefore there have been no sales of either format.

11/30/2007 3:32:45 PM

Shrike, you've dug yourself such a deep hole that I don't think anyone can EVER take you seriously when it comes to electronics.

11/30/2007 3:43:42 PM

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"^Because you were being serious. Nice back peddling there."

I was going to post a reply, but I'm starting to feel bad for you because you're obviously not playing with a full deck.

11/30/2007 3:52:31 PM

^^Says the self admitted biggest troll in this thread and Tech Talk

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"Golovko TURBO 20802 Posts user info edit post ^el oh el...go back and read everything you've said. Some of my comments about the PS3/Blu ray were intended to provoke you and they have successfully. Shrike too."

Why do we pay attention to this kid again?

11/30/2007 4:01:38 PM

^^yeah, I'm missing the PS3 card.

^and why do we take any Sony fanboy seriously again? oh thats right, for pure entertainment value.

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"I was going to post a reply so here it is, but I'm starting to feel bad for you because you're obviously not playing with a full deck."

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 5:10 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2007 5:09:16 PM

Nielsen isn't biased, and isn't skewing numbers to make one format look better. Wal-mart hasn't released sales numbers to Nielsen since around 2001. If they did, Nielsen would be obligated to include them. Its reasoning behind Wal-mart's move that they felt their competitors were getting more benefit from knowing their numbers, than they were for knowing their competitors' numbers. By this data (waaaaay back on page 1), we see that HD DVD had once enjoyed a lead over Blu-ray (back when every player was in the $600+ range), but hasn't since before the last holiday season.



Stein, Wal-mart may be the leader in standard DVD sales, but Best Buy is the industry leader in HDM sales (NPD Group, October 2007). "NPD declined to report specific unit sales shares for each of the retailers but noted that Best Buy is far in front. Amazon.com and the rest [Amazon, Wal-Mart, Circuit City, Target] are mostly clustered together for the second through fifth spots."

11/30/2007 5:20:47 PM

Holy christ

WalMart vs Best Buy

I can't take it anymore.

Look, America doesn't give a shit about HD DVD or blu ray

If you take Blu Ray sales, add them to HD DVD sales

You MIGHT equal the number of "ESPN 2 Online Presents: Poker!" standard DVD's sold.

You know what that means?

It means arguing this shit is retarded.

HURRR BUT BLU RAY IS ARE AWESOME AND SONY GIVES ME BLOW JOBS EVERYTIME I YELL "I WENT BLU"

HURRRRR TOSHIBA SOLD 9 PLAYERS THIS VERY SECOND

stfu

Your system sucks, HD DVD sucks, and the best console game ever is still Geometry Wars.

I'm peacing out of this ass grab fest.

11/30/2007 5:32:05 PM

that was a good summary

can we get this thread locked now

11/30/2007 6:44:36 PM

^^^ interestingly enough, blu-ray sales started taking off at the same time that the PS3 was released.

corellation != causation

11/30/2007 7:31:14 PM

and also the wii.

correlation ^= causation

11/30/2007 9:51:22 PM

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"and also the wii."

wait what? the wii plays blu ray too? sweet!

11/30/2007 9:59:23 PM

guys, gold does NOT conduct better than copper, it is slightly inferior by a small margin. copper is the best conductor but it oxidizes easily in open air and the oxidized form of copper does not conduct well at all. gold on the other hand, does not corrode, has a good conductivity and is thus use in connectors and interconnects.

11/30/2007 11:39:16 PM

blasphemy!!! how dare you speak facts to an audiophile!!!

11/30/2007 11:54:54 PM