The ISIS flag is black. People would scream racism if they didn't make that cake....

7/12/2015 11:18:55 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/14/atlanta-naacp-chapter-calls-for-removal-massive-confederate-sculpture-in-public/

Oh No's the NAACP is angry again.....

Quote :

"A sculpture in Georgia larger than a football field – depicting Civil War luminaries Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson – has become the latest target in the push to purge the South of signs of the Confederacy. The Atlanta chapter of the NAACP called Monday for the elimination of all symbols of the Confederacy from Stone Mountain Park, whose marquee attraction is the 90-foot-high, 190-foot-wide sculpture carved deep into the mountain. "Those guys need to go,” chapter leader Richard Rose told WSB-TV, referring to Davis, the former president of the Confederate States of America, and the two Confederate generals. “They can be sand-blasted off, or somebody could carefully remove a slab of that and auction it off to the highest bidder. "My tax dollars should not be used to commemorate slavery,” he added."

Discuss...

7/14/2015 4:12:56 PM

It's a reasonably request really, there's no good reason we should commemorate those guys. I could see how the racists would get frustrated though with the constant hammering of their heroes.

We do grossly disproportionately celebrate confederate era generals, it doesn't make too much sense (it does make sense when you consider how racist people were in the open just a few decades ago-- doesn't make much sense in a modern context).
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article27000196.html

7/14/2015 4:23:08 PM

That memorial ain't going anywhere. In fact I bet nothing changes about that park...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain
https://www.stonemountainpark.com/about/history

[Edited on July 14, 2015 at 4:59 PM. Reason : it's basically a huge confederate memorial park.]

7/14/2015 4:54:23 PM

George Washington owned slaves. Blow up Mt. Rushmore and burn all the $1 bills.

7/14/2015 4:57:25 PM

I don't think we disproportionately celebrate confederate era generals. I think we do that to all military veterans.

Also, I don't think they should get rid of the carving. Whether you like it or not, it's a work of art. If you're gonna destroy that, they might as well have a book burning party at the foot of the mountain.

7/14/2015 4:59:17 PM

my tax dollars should not be used to commemorate any goddamn thing

7/14/2015 4:59:52 PM

^ Pretty sure that park doesn't use any tax monies

[Edited on July 14, 2015 at 5:01 PM. Reason : Probably generates a nice profit!]

7/14/2015 5:00:29 PM

I want Andrew Jackson off the $20 he offends me for murdering the ancestors of 1/16 of my heritage that were forced out of their homes in the trail of tears.

7/14/2015 5:44:30 PM

If you blow up the carving, then I want to make sure the piece of work entitled "Piss Christ" gets appropriately destroyed.

7/14/2015 7:07:15 PM

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" Pretty sure that park doesn't use any tax monies"

It is self-supporting, but I'm pretty sure there was tax money used to fund its completion.

7/14/2015 7:20:44 PM

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"I don't think we disproportionately celebrate confederate era generals. I think we do that to all military veterans."

click the link in his post

7/14/2015 8:55:59 PM

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"my tax dollars should not be used to commemorate any goddamn thing"

also, it's a bit too late for that

7/14/2015 9:11:19 PM

but that doesn't make it right

7/14/2015 9:17:01 PM

i'm a member of the mountain park, black, and an engineer. the monument was the rough draft of mt rushmore by the same guy. it's an engineering feat and not a damn dollar should be spent to do anything to it. there isn't a single confederate flag at the park, it's basically dollywood

7/14/2015 9:59:25 PM

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"not a damn dollar should be spent to do anything to it"

I don't think it's seriously up for debate.

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"there isn't a single confederate flag at the park"

Do these not count?



Dollywood perhaps, but Dollywood of The Confederacy as I remember it.

[Edited on July 14, 2015 at 10:14 PM. Reason : ^^ Assuming you're not from Georgia and aren't like 60+ none of your tax monies are involved here]

7/14/2015 10:10:25 PM

If it's a private park, and they're honest about the racist aspects of the confederacy, doesn't seem much different than any other topical museum.

7/14/2015 10:13:50 PM

It's not actually private. It's still state-owned, and managed by "The Stone Mountain Memorial Association (SMMA), a State of Georgia authority," but yeah there are private companies involved under that which is where the Dollywood comes in.

7/14/2015 10:17:32 PM

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"the monument was the rough draft of mt rushmore by the same guy"

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"Borglum's nativist stances made him seem an ideologically sympathetic choice to carve a memorial to heroes of the Confederacy, planned for Stone Mountain, Georgia. In 1915, he was approached by the United Daughters of the Confederacy with a project for sculpting a 20-foot (6 m) high bust of General Robert E. Lee on the mountain's 800-foot (240 m) rockface. Borglum accepted, but told the committee, "Ladies, a twenty foot head of Lee on that mountainside would look like a postage stamp on a barn door.'"[7] Borglum's ideas eventually evolved into a high-relief frieze of Lee, Jefferson Davis, and 'Stonewall' Jackson riding around the mountain, followed by a legion of artillery troops. Borglum agreed to include a Ku Klux Klan altar in his plans for the memorial to acknowledge a request of Helen Plane in 1915, who wrote to him: "I feel it is due to the KKK that saved us from Negro domination and carpetbag rule, that it be immortalized on Stone Mountain".[8] After a delay caused by World War I, Borglum and the newly chartered Stone Mountain Confederate Monumental Association set to work on this unexampled monument, the size of which had never been attempted before. Many difficulties slowed progress, some because of the sheer scale involved. After finishing the detailed model of the carving, Borglum was unable to trace the figures onto the massive area on which he was working, until he developed a gigantic magic lantern to project the image onto the side of the mountain. Carving officially began on June 23, 1923, with Borglum making the first cut. At Stone Mountain he developed sympathetic connections with the reorganized Ku Klux Klan, who were major financial backers for the monument. Lee's head was unveiled on Lee's birthday January 19, 1924, to a large crowd, but soon thereafter Borglum was increasingly at odds with the officials of the organization. His domineering, perfectionist, irascible, authoritarian manner brought tensions to such a point that in March 1925 Borglum smashed his clay and plaster models, and he left Georgia permanently. His tenure with the organization was over. None of his work remains, as it was all cleared from the mountain's face for the work of Augustus Lukeman, Borglum's replacement, but in his abortive attempt, Borglum had developed necessary techniques for sculpting on a gigantic scale that made Mount Rushmore possible."

7/14/2015 10:23:21 PM

I have no idea where those flags are. I'd bet they're at the antebellum house and not the main park. i've never seen them

7/14/2015 10:29:09 PM

^^
O.o

Heritage not hate, amirite?

They should repurpose the monument as the representation of pervasive societal racism that persisted well after the civl war ended, rather than branding it as a memorial to the civil war.

Turn it into something similar to this:
http://www.whitneyplantation.com

Just to let modern day people know how far, theoretically, we've come.

[Edited on July 14, 2015 at 11:36 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2015 11:35:04 PM

There is legitimacy for the anti carpetbagger attitude.....

7/15/2015 12:29:09 AM

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"GIGANTIC MAGIC LANTERN"

7/15/2015 8:45:19 AM

Yeah, that's stupid. Leave the Stone Mountain monument alone.

This is just comical, an explanation of how the Charleston shooter was a leftist democrat (as if it matters): http://louderwithcrowder.com/myths-debunked-top-5-reasons-dylan-roof-was-actually-a-liberal-activist/

(my stupid redneck family member posted it on fb)

7/15/2015 10:17:41 AM

^^^that's your takeaway from that??? LOL

7/15/2015 10:40:08 AM

I agree the confederate flag should never fly on government property, outside of a memorial or museum I think displaying it pretty much says "white trash".

...but interpreting a confederate memorial as 100% "Fuck black people" is pushing it. The civil war was obviously about slavery, but the memorials to the southerners that died isn't about slavery, its about respecting the dead. I'm sure a lot of southerners AND northerners were racist, but when a lot of people fight and die, sometimes respecting that takes precedence over the cause of the war. People idolize great battles, the memorials are more about what they did in battle, more so than whether or not the battle was just (similar to American Indian war monuments, where America is the "bad guy").

7/15/2015 11:37:17 AM

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"interpreting a confederate memorial as 100% "Fuck black people""

Who ITT is arguing that position?

7/15/2015 11:55:17 AM

The NAACP

7/15/2015 12:00:04 PM

Oh I'll have to check their press release for that language

Also I'm not sure the national NAACP co-sign's every action by their chapters.

7/15/2015 12:33:04 PM

I bet the GOLO comments for this are glorious

http://www.wral.com/black-leaders-want-offensive-fayetteville-city-seal-changed/14774402/

7/15/2015 1:45:00 PM

For the record

is the symbol for slavery

7/15/2015 4:40:26 PM

I don't get the point of the NAACP

can't they disband now that we're all equal

it's clearly established that everyone is equal and has equal rights

just because some white people are shit-talkers doesn't mean things aren't equal

it's the 21st century

time to get rid of da NAACP :3

7/15/2015 4:41:53 PM

^ you are either an idiot, misinformed, or both.

7/15/2015 4:49:17 PM

obligatory systemic racism is real and perpetrated by people who may not personally be racist post

7/15/2015 4:50:39 PM

well you already knew I was an idiot

7/15/2015 4:56:59 PM

http://www.wral.com/lawmakers-seek-protection-for-monuments/14775207/

Looks like this stems not from the Charleston shooting/Confederate flag backlash but from the bitching about Silent Sam over here instead.

7/15/2015 4:57:26 PM

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"We are not Baltimore, Charleston or Columbia. We are Fayetteville, the best, most diverse and unique City in the Southeast."

LOL

That's awesome.

7/15/2015 7:14:26 PM

He is joking right?

Fayettenam is somewhere I would NEVER live. I'd spend my last $100 to buy a nice tent to live as a homeless guy in my city before moving to that shit hole.

BTW How does the NAACP and certain politicians not see the sudden battle cry to remove all these "offensive" memorials, as counter-productive to the goal of racial equality. The conservative white redneck population is already upset about gays marrying, Obamacare, states legalizing pot, etc. Now we are going to alienate them even more by tearing down statues and memorials that many perceive as symbolic to their heritage and take a big piss on their pride.

Yeah this is going to definitely end racism and racial biasness!!!!
Let them have their fucking statues/memorials....



[Edited on July 15, 2015 at 7:26 PM. Reason : a]

7/15/2015 7:16:33 PM

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"Yeah this is going to definitely end racism and racial biasness!!!! "

Because clearly, that's their goal

7/15/2015 7:38:42 PM

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"http://www.wral.com/lawmakers-seek-protection-for-monuments/14775207/ Looks like this stems not from the Charleston shooting/Confederate flag backlash but from the bitching about Silent Sam over here instead. "

Not surprising but still pretty sad.

Yet another example of conservatives not actually being against big government.

[Edited on July 15, 2015 at 10:55 PM. Reason : ]

7/15/2015 10:54:27 PM

What's sad is you want to destroy a bunch of statues and monuments because they supposedly offend you.

[Edited on July 15, 2015 at 11:04 PM. Reason : .]

7/15/2015 11:04:44 PM

Nope, they don't offend me. If it can be shown they were put up because of hate and racism, they should be taken down because that's not who we are anymore (or at least the thinking people among us).

7/15/2015 11:10:14 PM

Good luck with your crusade.

7/15/2015 11:30:22 PM

The monuments will be gone one day, whether it's the next few years, or few decades. One day there won't be so many old white men running things, clinging so bitterly to the racist status quo that comforts them.

7/15/2015 11:36:21 PM

Why are you so racist against white people?

7/15/2015 11:38:34 PM

I went on vacation up north and every time I mentioned I'm from North Carolina people were like "Oh you had that business with the Confederate flag"

7/15/2015 11:48:37 PM

http://newsok.com/confederate-flag-waving-protesters-greet-obama-in-downtown-oklahoma-city/article/5433973

how many Oklahomans fought for the Confederacy?

7/16/2015 12:38:19 AM

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"What's sad is you want to destroy a bunch of statues and monuments because they supposedly offend you. "

For the winz!
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A lot of people sound like blubbering pussies. I can understand perhaps the flag but if you are going to disrespect monuments paying respect to history and the bloodshed from the war you are an idiot. Obviously many monuments in the south are going to be of southern leaders. Do you really think SC is going to erect a Sherman monument. Frankly if you don't like it then Get The Fuck Out and go live in NY or somewhere.

7/16/2015 12:42:30 AM

^^^^^I can't speak for all the monuments, but some of them were erected to ease tensions that remained following the Civil War.

A lot of them are maintained by the federal government, and most folks recognized that it was important for the South to honor their soldiers and their sacrifices.

And, due to the nature of the South, it's difficult to determine for sure which ones were built to honor the dead and which ones were built to promote hate.

Cause it's the South...in a pinch, we can turn anything into a hate symbol, and then we forget the step where we're supposed to hide it.

Anyway, I hope folks will think twice before destroying some monuments.

[Edited on July 16, 2015 at 1:00 AM. Reason : ]

7/16/2015 12:56:41 AM

[Edited on July 16, 2015 at 1:09 AM. Reason : on to the next one]

7/16/2015 1:03:46 AM