The best and indeed only argument that they have is with regards to the level of punishment for one badly written plagiarized paper was perhaps too severe.

That's not much to go on though.

7/13/2011 5:19:31 PM

^ He admitted to UNC compliance that Wiley helped him on multiple assignments and in different classes. This is NOT one paper with bad citations.

This is where its going to get interesting... the timeline. Did UNC know and report to the NCAA that McAdoo cheated multiple times only to then go in front of the NCAA later and say "its his own original work"???

7/13/2011 6:38:09 PM

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"I thought this case was a slam dunk, that "we were gonna teach the NCAA a lesson".."

7/13/2011 8:03:31 PM

^^ well Baddour already stated publicly in December that it was "his work." Well, uh, we've seen how that went. It also speaks volumes as to the integrity or lack thereof in the honor court at UNC. Honor court said he had citation issues and suspended him for the semester from football, all the while the kid is still on scholarship and taking courses this spring for free. When a simple 5 minute google search yields evidence of overwhelming plagiarism, what does that say about your honor court that only found citation issues?? UNC should have paid McAdoo off, this is pretty embarassing for the NCAA to hire an attorney from Cary on 2 weeks notice to come in and destroy UNC's (don't kid yourself, Orr is a UNC guy) attorney (who is a former NC Supreme court justice) who has been preparing for months. Or maybe the case was just that ridiculous to begin with


[Edited on July 13, 2011 at 8:50 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2011 8:49:43 PM

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"pretty embarassing for the NCAA to hire an attorney from Cary on 2 weeks notice to come in and destroy UNC's attorney (who is a former NC Supreme court justice) who has been preparing for months. Or maybe the case was just that ridiculous to begin with "

LOL, you should really work on your reading comprehension. UNC wasn't suing the NCAA and Robert Orr wasn't involved in this case at all.

7/13/2011 8:58:08 PM

Yea, I got Orr and Huffstetler mixed up, both UNC guys, I think Orr was with Ramsay. I know UNC isn't suing the NCAA, but I'm guessing McAdoo did this with UNC's blessing and somebody had to have paid his legal bills, otherwise if UNC didn't want him to do this they'd bench him if he were reinstated. One in the same to me, but yes I understand technically on paper UNC has nothing to do with what McAdoo is doing.

7/13/2011 9:03:16 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/07/06/1324232/mcadoo-sues-unc-ncaa.html

7/13/2011 9:09:49 PM

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"Dear user, Recently [by that they mean Nov 2010] you applied to access the following Scout.com community: InsideCarolina.com Your request has been DENIED by the site staff. Thank you, InsideCarolina.com Staff"

Where the fuck is my due process in that?

7/14/2011 4:00:09 PM

^haha. Awesome

7/14/2011 4:01:00 PM

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"If Carolina had not given valvano the win in the 83 semis of the ACC tourney, he would have no NCAA title and faded away as just another mediocre coach in the long line of mediocre coaches at state instead of he martyr he has become to them"

[Edited on July 15, 2011 at 11:47 AM. Reason : ]

7/15/2011 11:47:35 AM

Fred Brown and Chris Webber called. They want their championships back.

7/15/2011 11:52:28 AM

Have they started comparing their football team last season, and what could've been if they hadn't cheated and gotten suspended, to our 1973 basketball team yet? I can imagine them putting their 8-5 "had the talent to win a national title" team from last year with our actual undefeated team from 1973

7/15/2011 11:58:30 AM

^I don't know if the direct comparison has been made...but they most certainly believe that they were a national title contender last year.

7/15/2011 12:41:31 PM

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"I am about 80% convinced his teams use PEDs...at BC and now at NCSU. But , i have not seen any proof. That is the case or TOB is just fortunate that many of his recruits have amazing genetics - - basing that on many of his players' weights, speeds and builds before arriving at ncsu vs what they look like and how fast they are 1-2 years later. The gains in size and speed are off the charts for many of those guys. "

this is cute...i bet they think if their "whatever happened to the PEDs at State" or whatever thread gets enough replies, the national media will jump on it and launch a huge investigation! after all, if those morons on PeckerPride did some googling and found plagiarism in McAdoo's term paper, surely the geniuses on IC can expose the rampant use of steroids throughout Cow College athletics

7/16/2011 12:07:22 PM

From the same post as that one above,

Quote :

"my guess - TOB is a teacher's pet with the NCAA - - it would take a ton of evidence for him to be investigated ; same for Koach K, etc etc...some guys are perceived as "clean" , while others are not. Anytime TOB is mentioned, the word "marine" is also mentioned as if that means he is 100% honorable and clean. He is a politician and game player just like anyone else ; he may just play the game better. "

lol, TOB = Coach K.

7/16/2011 4:11:06 PM

Quote :

" UNC had nothing to do with "3" players taking stuff from agents that were swarming our JR/SR classes for future NFL contracts. UNC did not cheat, those players took stuff not allowed by the NCAA and UNC. If someone said your players were using PEDs, there needs to be an open investigation by the school, NCAA and media....just like what happened over agents bothering our football program. The difference is PEDs is cheating in football, whereas agents giving Quinn a watch didn't help UNC one bit. Oh, the NCAA isn't investigating UNC...they already released the NOA and didn't find Butch Davis or the school guilty of any cheating. The same cannot be said about TOB and his program, since it looks like nobody ever looked into the PEDs. UNC and Butch Davis were cleared....TOB wasn't."

7/16/2011 6:00:14 PM

lol, wut

7/16/2011 6:03:48 PM

this whole PED crusade they are on to distract themselves is pretty hilarious

7/16/2011 6:06:59 PM

^^^ just wow.

7/16/2011 7:47:39 PM

delusional morons

7/16/2011 7:57:46 PM

Wait, wut? So by not "investigating allegations" made by UNC homers in a attempt to bring heat on NCSU, the NCAA somehow hasn't cleared O'Brien? I'm sorry, here I thought you had to be 'accused' / 'indicted' by someone to then become "cleared" at all. Absent the 'accused' / 'indicted' portion "cleared" isn't a valid adjective. The right word would be clean. As in, O'Brien is clean, and does not have his players use PED's.

Of course, for UNC drones no one else could possibly use effective training for their players. No, can't be that and good coaching! They keep beating us even when we 'assist' simpletons that can really play for us. THEY MUST BE CHEATING WORSE!!!

Wow.

7/16/2011 9:05:54 PM

This whole thread is hilarious to me. UNC fans confronted with proof of joke African studies classes that hand out nothing but A's and B's, every single time. Their reaction is predictable.

1. Deny
2. Ignore it and pretend it's simply a case of "grade inflation" when apparently not a single student has received a D or F in any of these African studies classes last year.
3. Say that "everyone is doing it"
4. Make unverifiable claims about other schools doing far worse things.

Too much to copy/paste:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1408&t=7675063


[Edited on July 17, 2011 at 4:35 AM. Reason : w]

7/17/2011 4:34:53 AM

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"I am so tired of all the junk the wuffies have been talking. I really wish our BBall players would tell the folks that run the pro/am league in derm that they will not play in the league if moou players are allowed to play. Why in the world are we letting their guys get the benefit of playing in that league. The folks in rawlee have raised it to a new level this last year. Time for UNC to get mean and put those pups back in their place. "

lol. Is this one of you guys?

7/17/2011 7:55:18 AM

I took an African Studies class at State.

a good amount of the class failed it.

I was the only white guy in there. I got an A+. It was a great class.

7/17/2011 11:17:02 AM

You must be very proud of yourself.

7/17/2011 11:22:29 AM

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"I understand you're still upset from last year since that was your best team since Phillip Rivers. ECU is 11-16 all time vs. NC State, that's only slightly over .500, not some overwhelming margin. ECU has won the past 8 of 14 games in case you forgot that one too. You're annoyed because you have every advantage possible over ECU yet we're closing the gap because NC State is a synonym for mediocrity.?"

7/17/2011 11:32:26 AM

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""I understand you're still upset from last year since that was your best defense in the history of the school. UNC is 12-13 since 1986 vs. NC State, that's only slightly below .500, not some overwhelming margin. NC State has won the past 4 games in case you forgot that one too. You're annoyed because you have every advantage possible over NC State yet we're closing the gap because UNC is a synonym for entitlement, arrogance, and now... cheating""

7/17/2011 11:45:46 AM

The thrown out arrest warrant happened before last season if I remember correctly... Funny how they bring it up only now when their shit hit the fan.

[Edited on July 17, 2011 at 3:49 PM. Reason : ...]

7/17/2011 3:48:49 PM

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" The "investigative" reporter, "Dan Kane has covered local and state government and N.C. State University at The News & Observer since joining our staff in 1997." blogs.newsobserver.com/content/meet-the-i-team NOTE: His email and phone is at the link, if anyone so chooses. Personally, I'd wonder if there was ever anything not exactly 100% properly cited in any of the papers he wrote at St. John Fisher College in Rochester, NY, or in any of the articles he's written in the journalism world."

This is about the McAdoo article in the N&O today. Their delusion knows no limits...suddenly McAdoo's blatantly obvious copy and paste job = "not exactly 100% properly cited" papers. There's a huge difference in flubbing up a citation and intentionally copy and pasting large chunks of an essay.

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" I'm generally not as hostile toward the N&O (or other local news outlets) as many of the rest of you, but putting an article like this, which borders dangerously on editorial content, on the front page is just poor journalism. Opinions are for the opinion page, and facts are for the front page. The two ought not be mixed."

This was a factual article, not an opinion piece.

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" I am really getting tired of this "everybody does it" argument. It was, once upon a time, that we did things the right way. It is sickening to see this argument in play during all of this. Simply sickening."

[Edited on July 17, 2011 at 7:29 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2011 7:26:24 PM

Quote :

" This was a factual article, not an opinion piece."

obviously they used the wrong facts.

7/17/2011 9:10:24 PM

If facts don't support UNC fan's views, they are incorrect/flawed/opinions.

7/17/2011 10:09:57 PM

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"It is like a person being convicted of a crime with surcomstantial evidence and being sentenced to 10 years in prison for the crime."

you can't even make stuff like this up...

7/18/2011 12:33:42 AM

SURCOMSTANTIAL

[Edited on July 18, 2011 at 12:42 AM. Reason : haven't changed my status thingy in awhile. i like it]

7/18/2011 12:36:01 AM

i laughed pretty hard at this one, this guy, (i thought i read before) claimed to be either a former or actual professot at UNC

Quote :

"ProfessorSmith All-American 16208 posts this site Send Private Message Posted: 7/16/2011 12:13 PM RE: So whatever happened with the PED problem on NCSU football team It is also ullustrative because this deals with ACTUAL cheating. --------------------------------------------- --- 1moretimeagain wrote: I think more than anything, this exercise is one that sets out to show how the wuffie standard changes when discussing their own team. Suddenly, we hear a need for proof. That's quite a different approach after message board hearsay and plain make-believe was the only necessary standard during the past year. ---------------------------------------------"

disclaimer: the "i" and "u" are beside each other unless he was using Marvin's QWEORTY keyboard.

"SURCOMSTANTIAL" that's just hooked-on-phonics spelling right there.

[Edited on July 18, 2011 at 8:19 AM. Reason : ]

7/18/2011 8:11:43 AM

professor smith is an arrogant little fuck. at no time should we ever beat them because we are "garbage". it was my response to him that got me banned on IC.

7/18/2011 10:21:50 AM

ProfessorSmith is like one of the violin players on the titanic, playing the sweet song with his couple of brothers while the whole world around him sinks into oblivion.

7/18/2011 10:28:44 AM

^, ^^ for sure.

Him, RabidRev and RetiredCoach are like that last part of the shit stain that doesn't come out of the underwear no matter how much Clorox u use.

7/18/2011 10:36:51 AM

im laughing so hard at those people
dieing laughing

7/18/2011 1:25:13 PM

Apparently the Atlanta Journal Constitution (AJC) had a negative article about UNC on their website and someone on IC posted a link to it...

Quote :

" Never heard of ajc.com. Sounds worthless, so not wasting my time clicking. Just wasting my time typing this post."

lol, never heard of the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

Remember when some blog popped up last year claiming the investigation was all over and everything...called Dr.Blog or something like that. All UNC fans claimed that to be 100% true, but the AJC is just some rag. http://nationalcollegefootballreport.blogspot.com/2010/08/ncaa-finds-no-major-violations-at-north.html

Edit: Here is the Dr. Blog thing:


[Edited on July 18, 2011 at 10:19 PM. Reason : ]

7/18/2011 10:17:48 PM

Quote :

"August 19, 2010 I love the argument from idiots at NSCU Community College about how much harder it is to graduate from NCSU than UNC. Yeah, it is harder for the majority of the morons that they admit to NCSU to graduate from that school. Why? Because NCSU lets just about any moron that graduates from an NC high school into their sorry excuse for college. And that means that the IQ and general scholastic abilities of those who are admitted to NCSU are much lower than students admitted to UNC. As a result (and try to keep up with my wolpfackers), the graduation rate at NSCU is going to be lower since your idiot enrollees have a hard time reading and writing in English, which means more of them are going to get sick of flunking classes (and retaking them, which is prohibited at UNC by the way) and will decide to just say fuck it and go back to the farm/gun shop/repair shop/grocery store to get a job with momma or pappa. so I agree, it is much harder for an NCSU student to graduate from college than it is for a UNC student to graduate from college. Can you imagine how hard it would be for the average NCSU student to graduate from a true research university like UNC? I'll help you out - it would be below 5% "

[Edited on July 18, 2011 at 10:26 PM. Reason : from Dr. Blog's comment section]

7/18/2011 10:25:28 PM

Quote :

"" Never heard of ajc.com. Sounds worthless, so not wasting my time clicking. Just wasting my time typing this post.""

hahahahahaha

wow.

THAT's sad.

I wonder if the Chicago Tribune, Miami Herald, Houston Chronicle, Washington Post, LA Times, and NY Times are all worthless rags too.

7/18/2011 10:28:31 PM

^ yep, and I wipe my ass with the Wall Street Journal and start my grill with motherfuckin' Time magazine.

7/18/2011 11:06:20 PM

Quote :

"As quoted on 620 the Buzz in Raleigh/Durham, NC"

This is hilarious

Joe Ovies trashes this dude

7/18/2011 11:09:42 PM

Quote :

"Butch has had some bad luck while with us. He did nothing wrong and has been the victim of a comedy of errors. Oh, and he built a team that could have quite possily been the best in the country last year. This firing talk is getting annoying."

7/18/2011 11:21:34 PM

What I love most about all this "national championship darkhorse" shit is that they weren't even picked to win their division (I think they were picked 3rd?) BEFORE all the allegations and the investigation surfaced.

7/19/2011 10:36:55 AM

and here they are calling Art Chansky a Benedict Arnold. Don't know if you guys heard him with Adam Gold yesterday but he was ripping the university for their behavior in this mess. It was wonderful. Said he was tired of the "everyone is doing it" excuses, saying they had been clean before now, Butch needed to be fired or they'll have another year of talk and controversy, and that the University's academic integrity had taken a hit, etc I agreed with everything he said until he claimed that UNC was the "state university of North Carolina".

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1408&t=7682523

7/19/2011 12:11:30 PM

lately ive seen lots of these type of comments over there:

Quote :

"would slap his false teeth out of his mouth if given the chance"

7/19/2011 12:29:26 PM

Carolina fans, just like Marvin "Tits" Austin, can be summed up in three letters:

DDD

Deny
Deflect
Disengage

7/19/2011 12:40:30 PM

AHAHA. I met Art Chansky about 15 years ago and he was a major asshole. At least he's showing some damn common sense here. It's great to see the horned sheep turn on their own. He's one of the biggest unc-ch homers out there.

[Edited on July 19, 2011 at 12:44 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2011 12:43:12 PM

Quote :

"Is there anyone that still believes UNC is not a sacrificial lamb for the NCAA?"

ProfessorSmith...

7/19/2011 4:51:11 PM