Quote :

" If you had me list all MLB players by the likelihood that they played junior hockey, Nyjer Morgan would probably be dead last."

I don't even think he started playing baseball until LATE high school. Huge fan of him when he was up here with the Nats. RIP Tony Plush

5/4/2011 10:57:18 AM

I will never speak an ill word of Russell Wilson. He's amongst my favorite NCSU players due to not only his athletic performance, but his maturity and how well he represented NCSU throughout his tenure as a Wolfpack player and student.

I believe that TOB and RW made respectable decisions that serve their own goals best. If RW returns to football, his motivation will be to try and make a case for an NFL career of some sort, and he can't do that splitting time or being a backup (obviously). I don't blame him or harbor any ill will for wanting to ensure he has playing time.

I think TOB made the right decision by committing himself to Glennon. He has a young receiving core and a talented yet largely untested QB in Glennon and needs to do whatever he can to help both of those parties succeed. Consistency, confidence, and cohesiveness are paramount for their development, and those cannot be best achieved with a question mark at QB going into the fall.

Unfortunately, it's fair to assume that MG has even more pressure on him now, b/c if he falters at all, the media and you people will immediately play the RW "coulda woulda shoulda" card.

5/4/2011 11:08:10 AM

^very eloquently put. Well done.

5/4/2011 11:15:24 AM

Quote :

"Unfortunately, it's fair to assume that MG has even more pressure on him now, b/c if he falters at all, the media and you people will immediately play the RW "coulda woulda shoulda" card."

"You people" will do that regardless, even if all this recent mess hadn't come out (the release, etc).

5/4/2011 11:51:32 AM

I think they are about to talk about him on 680 The Fan in Atlanta. Said "there could be a potential game changer in the SEC East"

5/4/2011 12:14:35 PM

Record the discussion and upload it to youtube

5/4/2011 12:15:27 PM

they seem to think its South Carolina. Auburn would love him but it doesnt make as much sense to RW since they are rebuilding at a lot of positions.

"if Russell Wilson transfers to ANY school in the SEC, he would immediately be the starter and the best QB in the SEC"

[Edited on May 4, 2011 at 12:31 PM. Reason : d]

5/4/2011 12:29:44 PM

i would eliminate a school that injured me just for spite

5/4/2011 1:01:13 PM

I believe a rep from SC has already said they don't have interest. Also WILSON IS PLAYING BASEBALL, so talking about potential teams is pretty stupid until a report from the Rockies saying they will let him play somewhere is released.

5/4/2011 1:06:24 PM

oops, read it wrong

[Edited on May 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM. Reason : my b]

5/4/2011 1:09:58 PM

i'm considering playing for auburn and sc, too

5/4/2011 2:19:27 PM

It's weird how people see the quotes from the Rockies saying there would be issues if RW wanted to ditch baseball for another season of football (because he needs to extra training in the fall leagues etc etc) and then immediately turn around and continue talking about who he might play for if he comes back.

If he tries to ditch training again to play football, I see the Rockies letting him go. Then, awesome play or not the NFL is not going to draft him to be a first stringer, and he's going to end up standing on the sideline with a mic on instead of playing anything, and making bench money instead of Rockies player money.

5/4/2011 2:21:20 PM

I really don't think he's good enough to be a backup. There are less than 100 quarterback spots in the NFL. I can't see him ever being one of the best 100 quarterbacks in the world.

He could have a hell of an arena career. Joe Hamilton 2.0.

5/4/2011 2:36:19 PM

right, but you don't necessarily have the top 96 QBs in the world on NFL rosters

do you want your 3rd QB to be some veteran who you can depend on if the worst occurs (or to help bring along your young starter, like Brunell/Sanchez?) Some teams may go that approach, but then again some teams may want to have a young kid with potential that isn't currently in that "Top 96", but could end up being a starter down the line with time and work ethic.

I definitely could see Russell as a developmental 3rd string QB for a few years at least. Definitely understand your argument, though.

[Edited on May 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM. Reason : well, brunell was 2, Clemens was 3, but you get the idea]

5/4/2011 2:41:37 PM

Right, and I think his best possible outcome would as a "package guy" who could be inserted for 15-20 plays a game as a change of pace. Like a Seneca Wallace role where he'd have designed rollouts and run/pass options to keep the defense off balance. It could work if the starting QB was a statue who was no threat to run; it would at least make the opposing team spend practice time to gameplan for the threat of putting him in.

5/4/2011 2:45:37 PM

I respect Gold and Ovies a lot more after watching this. Wilson is at fault, not TOB

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/video/9547929/#/vid9547929

5/4/2011 4:53:35 PM

Bottom line

Russell didnt want to commit

TOB wanted a commitment and didn't get it

Russell never thought he would get the boot until he got the boot


I love RW and wish him the best but I understand what TOB did. It sucks because Mike Glennon is probably going to run us into the ground but it is what it is.

This is just another chapter in the book of NC State SHIT.

5/4/2011 5:29:21 PM

All NC State Shit is is a built in excuse for anything bad that happens to the program

Like someone blaming his parents because his life didn't turn out how he'd hoped

5/4/2011 5:35:24 PM

^^Get out of here with the MG hate. He's gonna be fiiiine.

5/4/2011 7:28:16 PM

Quote :

"It sucks because Mike Glennon is probably going to run us into the ground but it is what it is."

care to back that up with any actual evidence?

5/4/2011 7:30:02 PM

Quote :

"All NC State Shit is is a built in excuse for anything bad that happens to the program Like someone blaming his parents because his life didn't turn out how he'd hoped"

5/4/2011 8:49:43 PM

Mikey Ice!

5/4/2011 10:24:04 PM

^ lol. Why have people been comparinghim to matt ryan.

5/4/2011 11:11:33 PM

obviously because TOB coached at BC, so therefore any QB must be like Ryan

5/4/2011 11:17:53 PM

TOB himself has said in the past that MG's abilities and play style were very similar to MR, and if I'm not mistaken MG was better.

5/5/2011 12:07:22 AM

yeah but let's be realistic, none of us know shit until he shows it on the field, "us" includes TOB

5/5/2011 12:13:05 AM

^^^^similar build, same throwing motion. i think those are the 2 biggest reasons. Matt Ryan was a damn baller at BC and it pissed me off.

5/5/2011 8:40:03 AM

i remember when daniel evans punked matt ryan (and tob)

only highlight of that year iirc

5/5/2011 4:13:06 PM

^FSU?

5/5/2011 4:16:39 PM

Can someone tell me how TOB has changed the offense to fit Glennon? What's going to be different. I assume he has a better arm than RW.

5/5/2011 4:52:29 PM

If it's anything like his offenses at BC: less shotgun (a lot less), fewer designed roll-outs, more power running.

5/5/2011 4:54:05 PM

run-first, throw second

5/5/2011 4:54:41 PM

does anyone here know any verified changes?

5/5/2011 4:55:05 PM

How the fuck would we know?

5/5/2011 4:56:42 PM

TOB sent a copy of the playbook to all of us. Did you not get yours?

[Edited on May 5, 2011 at 4:58 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2011 4:57:07 PM

Hey cockbags, I meant more along the lines of did anyone pay attention at the spring game and notice anything different.

I'm not asking for a playbook.



[Edited on May 5, 2011 at 5:03 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2011 4:59:28 PM

We never show anything in the spring game, honestly.

5/5/2011 5:02:59 PM

i would assume if we were surplanting a duel threat QB with an immobile pocket QB, we would see a change in approach

5/5/2011 5:04:28 PM

If you think about we never had a dual threat qb offense. Wilson did his running damage after plays broke down, not on designed runs. The offense will not change much if at all.

5/5/2011 5:06:49 PM

but he has twice the arm that RW has (supposedly)

5/5/2011 5:30:34 PM

^^ Did you watch us play? There were plenty of designed RW run plays. Just because we didn't run an Auburn type offense where running was a core part of the offense doesn't mean we didn't have a dual threat offense.

[Edited on May 5, 2011 at 5:31 PM. Reason : ^^]

5/5/2011 5:31:15 PM

Had season tickets for 30 years. The only designed run for Wilson we ran all season was the same old dive option play that every team in the country runs now. He got about 2 yards every time we ran it. But please, elaborate more on this dual threat offense we seemed to have run with RW. Hell, we didn't even roll him out as much as we should have.

5/5/2011 5:39:03 PM

Does anyone have ESPN Insider and care to share this new article that they've put up containing an interview with RW?

5/5/2011 8:16:31 PM

Nothing there really...

Quote :

" First Down: Russell Wilson roulette Speaking of SEC quarterbacks, the most talked-about QB in America's biggest powerhouse conference isn't even an SEC quarterback. Yet. In fact, he's not playing quarterback anywhere. He's the second baseman for the Class A Asheville Tourists of the South Atlantic League. On Tuesday night I travelled to upstate South Carolina to see Russell Wilson's Tourists take on the Greenville Drive. He went 0-for-3 with two strikeouts. The last time I'd seen him on the field it was the last Thursday of October at the North Carolina State Wolfpack's Carter-Finley Stadium. That night he looked tired because he'd rushed for three touchdowns and threw for a fourth in an overtime win against the Florida State Seminoles. On Tuesday, he just looked tired. "It's been a difficult few days," he admitted. "It's hard to escape all the talk about it." "It" refers to NC State coach Tom O'Brien's decision to release Wilson from the football team and reiterate his earlier declaration that Mike Glennon will be his starting quarterback in 2011. There had been speculation that Wilson would come back this fall. O'Brien had grown tired of that speculation, ultimately fearing that it might cost him Glennon, who will graduate soon and gain the ability to transfer out of Raleigh hassle-free. Facing a potential future with either two unhappy quarterbacks or no quarterbacks at all, O'Brien cut Wilson loose. Within the state of North Carolina the debate continues to rage over how Wilson's released was handled and how Wilson has handled the news (trust me on this, I fielded two hours of Charlotte sports talk radio callers Thursday morning). It has been particularly hard for Wilson in Asheville, which has always been an NC State-leaning city. It got no easier in Greenville this week. Why? Because the stands of Fluor Field were packed with fans wearing South Carolina Gamecocks gear. "If you see someone in a South Carolina t-shirt tonight, they are here for one of two reasons," said Wilson's teammate, former Clemson quarterback Kyle Parker. "They're either here to boo me or to ask Russell if he's going to transfer to South Carolina." The terms of Wilson's release say that he can play somewhere else immediately, as long as it isn't an ACC school or one of the Wolfpack's 2011 out-of-conference opponents. Just this week a source close to Wilson told Joe Schad that he was "95 percent certain" he would play another year of football. That has created an Internet feeding frenzy, with supporters of schools desperate for a signal caller wondering aloud if the guy who led the ACC in total offense (3,563 yards passing, 435 rushing) would be a good fit for them. ESPN SEC blogger Edward Aschoff wondered aloud if he would be the right replacement for Cam Newton with the Auburn Tigers. But on the heels of the Stephen Garcia mess, most of the "Where will he go?" talk has centered around Columbia. When I heard the news of his release my immediate reaction was to jokingly tweet that Steve Spurrier was looking into buying Greenville Drive season tickets to check out a certain Asheville Tourists infielder. However, a deeper look says that Wilson-to-Columbia doesn't add up. First, the OBC has never been a big believer in transfers, which is to say he hates dealing with them. Second, the Colorado Rockies, parent club of the Tourists, have never expected Wilson to do anything other than fulfill his obligation to them. If he were to play out the year with Asheville, as his employers expect him to, that would have him hanging up his glove on Monday, September 5. The Gamecocks will have already opened their season against the East Carolina Pirates at that point. There is no way that Spurrier lets Wilson come in after that. Someone else, maybe, but not likely. "It's so hard," Wilson said on Tuesday. His eyes ached like a man who doesn't want to let football go. Unfortunately, it appears that it has let him go."

5/5/2011 8:51:34 PM

Quote :

"But please, elaborate more on this dual threat offense we seemed to have run with RW."

Maybe RW didn't have many "designed" running plays but he sure as hell was a "threat" to make a run for it. Whether that's part of a play breaking down or not doesn't matter. Most QBs couldn't do what he did when he had to run, hence, dual-threat.

5/5/2011 8:54:53 PM

Quote :

"That night he looked tired because he'd rushed for three touchdowns and threw for a fourth in an overtime win against the Florida State Seminoles."

Someone is misinformed...



[Edited on May 5, 2011 at 10:57 PM. Reason : end quote]

5/5/2011 10:56:02 PM

Quote :

"Maybe RW didn't have many "designed" running plays but he sure as hell was a "threat" to make a run for it. Whether that's part of a play breaking down or not doesn't matter. Most QBs couldn't do what he did when he had to run, hence, dual-threat."

That wasn't what I was responding to. The question was will the offense change under Glennon. The answer is no. It will be pretty much the same plays, but with a MUCH less mobile quarterback.

5/6/2011 12:08:44 AM

I dont like how this thread has split the NC State fan base... U.N.I.T.Y. yo. Glennon is the man for this year, hope he does well, wish RW the best.

5/6/2011 1:28:25 AM

Thank you JB. Means a lot.

5/6/2011 1:30:37 AM

Quote :

"Wilson did his running damage after plays broke down, not on designed runs."

I'm definitely no expert on football, and I could be remembering wrong, but it did appear as if we intentionally rolled Wilson out of the pocket a lot. It seemed like our tackles often tried to force the ends to the inside.

It's probably a subtle change, but I magine the o-line will block somewhat differently with Glennon in the pocket.

That, and the receivers might run different routes.



[Edited on May 6, 2011 at 10:13 AM. Reason : g]

5/6/2011 10:03:40 AM