i haven't seen them do that at all

when do you usually watch msnbc

[Edited on October 19, 2011 at 10:30 PM. Reason : i will tune in then also]

10/19/2011 10:30:38 PM

10/19/2011 10:31:17 PM

10/19/2011 10:40:43 PM

"Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong. "

10/19/2011 10:50:40 PM

10/20/2011 1:01:36 AM

Quote :

"“Every day I am out there somewhere in America, and most of the time I am talking to moms across this country. When you talk about housing, when you talk about foreclosures, you’re talking about women who are at the end of their rope because they’re losing their nest for their children and for their family. There are moms across this country whose husbands through no fault of their own are losing their jobs and they can’t keep that house.” "

Michelle Bachmann at last night's debate.

10/20/2011 1:25:30 AM

10/20/2011 8:23:14 AM

#Occupy21JumpStreet

10/20/2011 9:30:00 AM

Thinking of stopping down there again this weekend (Wall St).

If I do, what questions would you all want me to ask people who are Occupying?

10/20/2011 10:40:54 AM

^

1. get out your iphone video camera

2. ask them very very specifically what their education level is and what it is in. ask about student loans and financing decisions. ask them what their parents income is. ask them to list jobs 1 by 1 have they worked in their lives. ask them to be very specific so you can avoid getting a speech of lies that have prepared.

3. upload to youtube. post link here.

4. enjoy a nice cup of lolz


[Edited on October 20, 2011 at 11:11 AM. Reason : =]

10/20/2011 11:10:00 AM

lol you guys are acting like these movements are a mystery, seek them out on the internet. see what people are saying instead of relying on your utterly pathetic, low quality dummy-media

10/20/2011 11:14:39 AM

^

10/20/2011 11:23:38 AM

These protesters are patriotic. They care about our nation and are looking to fix what's wrong.

10/20/2011 11:25:03 AM

lol

10/20/2011 11:28:51 AM

Ask them if they've planned for winter. Can't very well have a bunch of bonfires in the middle of NYC to keep warm, and imagine the carbon footprint of any mass heating system they plan to use. Have they no fucking heart!

10/20/2011 11:36:27 AM

Ask them to name 1 item in their entire collective that they are using that was not created, sold, produced, or loaned to them by a corporation or bank.

10/20/2011 11:38:48 AM

how is that relevant? when have these people called for the halting of manufacturing of goods by corporations? when have they said banks shouldn't be lenders?

take your fucking medication

10/20/2011 11:49:33 AM

new tourist destination in NYC

10/20/2011 12:03:11 PM

^^ at least there are meds that can fix my problems. there's no cure for your actual retardation.

[Edited on October 20, 2011 at 12:28 PM. Reason : -]

10/20/2011 12:27:44 PM

Quote :

"Ask them to name 1 item in their entire collective that they are using that was not created, sold, produced, or loaned to them by a corporation or bank."

Quote :

"how is that relevant? when have these people called for the halting of manufacturing of goods by corporations? when have they said banks shouldn't be lenders?"

Exactly. Stop drinking the kool aid PB. The vast majority of these people are not asking for cessation of capitalism or destruction of large corporations. They're seeking fair business practices and means to protect the economy from being wrecked (again!) by a system that has rewarded unsustainable greed in the past. It's not much to ask when you consider that we collectively bailed them out of the clusterfuck that they created. I think it's pretty obvious the OWS protesters are consumers just like the rest of us so I'm not sure what you're picking at here.

[Edited on October 20, 2011 at 12:45 PM. Reason : l]

10/20/2011 12:43:13 PM

What specific business practices are unfair?

10/20/2011 12:56:32 PM

Fair and unfair has nothing little to do with it.
Fair would have been to let the banks and auto companies lie in the bed they made as it collapsed.
We bailed them out because it was mutually beneficial to do so. It wasn't "fair" that we were put in that position to begin with. Those loans have largely been repaid, but the damage to our economy extends much further and will not be fixed just because the handful of companies at the top are doing fine.

My question to you is how you could even consider letting the corporations continue business as usual after we have all suffered the repercussions of their mistakes? As GWB once said "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — [pauses] — shame on you. Fool me — [pauses] — You can't get fooled again. "

[Edited on October 20, 2011 at 1:32 PM. Reason : s]

10/20/2011 1:29:49 PM

You just said "They're seeking fair business practices"
Which is it?

10/20/2011 1:33:05 PM

Quote :

"little"

lol what a fuckin cop out.

10/20/2011 2:00:03 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/10/50-of-all-workers-made-less-than-26-000-in-2010/247059/

10/20/2011 4:15:14 PM

I still don't see what the problem is. I lived on <$26,000 just fine at one point in my life.

10/20/2011 4:15:55 PM

The key phrase there is

"at one point in my life"

10/20/2011 4:19:16 PM

Quote :

"Ask them to name 1 item in their entire collective that they are using that was not created, sold, produced, or loaned to them by a corporation or bank."

The movement is internally criticized by socialists because it's overall committed to reforming our crony capitalism, not overturning it.

The commitment is to working toward a more sensible, meritocratic capitalism. You can probably easily get added to the mailing lists of various work groups where you, too, can read these discussions. Then you could form your opinions based on reality rather than what a biased, salaried puppet has to say

10/20/2011 4:36:37 PM

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"The key phrase there is"

So what; you think just because you get older you should be handed a nice house, car, and job?

10/20/2011 4:54:50 PM

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"I still don't see what the problem is. I lived on <$26,000 just fine at one point in my life."

the US poverty rate is at 15%.

1 out of 6 children are living in poverty in the US

The average person is unemployed for over 40 weeks (that's not including those who simply gave up)

Actual unemployment/underemployment numbers are at around 20%. (Unemployment was at 5% in the mid '90s)

That's about 30 million people living beneath your $26,000 mark, which is roughly the size of Canada

At the current rate of jobs growth, we may not see unemployment back at 5% until 2024.



People are bitching not because they aren't making $26,000 a year, they're bitching because they're making nothing. I don't really see how anyone can blame them. It's not a fucking coincidence that unemployment skyrocketed in the US around the same time the economy shit its pants in public. The whole, "get a job, hippie" argument is pretty played out.


Yep, no problem here.

[Edited on October 20, 2011 at 5:41 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2011 5:36:52 PM

The unemployment rate for college grads is far lower. Get a degree, hippie.

10/20/2011 5:42:44 PM

haha. I could wipe my ass with two degrees and still have one left, just to be safe. that doesn't make me any less sympathetic for people without income, right now.


anyway, the point is, the economy sukks bawwz right now and the american middle class is evaporating

[Edited on October 20, 2011 at 6:01 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2011 5:50:50 PM

Quote :

"So what; you think just because you get older you should be handed a nice house, car, and job?"

nah brah, we just think you should be born into a nice house, car, and job.

10/20/2011 6:00:59 PM

Quote :

" nah brah, we just think you should be born into a nice house, car, and job."

when you get owned by genius boy your account should be autodeleted

10/20/2011 6:40:01 PM

Quote :

"god damn there are some crash helmet needing motherfuckers ITT"

10/20/2011 6:41:37 PM

ITT dumbasses that don't know math
when you throw in a shitload of $000,000 salaries into the mix of course it's gonna bring the average down.

go to russia. convert everything to US dollars, and you'll realize the average person there makes like $1000 a month and is perfectly fine. people here just have to buy fucking everything and get loans and credit cards and student loans, and more loans, and the credit, and the loans and the debt and the more loans and the debt and when the bank says "IM OUT!" and needs to get bailed for a few years till it gets back on its feet.... you freak out and go protest to end the entire capitalistic system

ameritards.

10/20/2011 11:56:30 PM

^ lol

10/21/2011 12:11:16 AM

^ hey, list everything you ate today. go ahead make us a list. don't be shy


then go compare that list to everybody else in the world, and realize what a selfish cunt you are for wanting to destroy a system that has and is creating more wealth than the world has and ever will see. you are a defective piece of shit human being and don't deserve to have been born in this country.

[Edited on October 21, 2011 at 12:38 AM. Reason : .]

10/21/2011 12:30:40 AM

10/21/2011 8:41:25 AM

Quote :

"go to russia. convert everything to US dollars, and you'll realize the average person there makes like $1000 a month and is perfectly fine. people here just have to buy fucking everything and get loans and credit cards and student loans, and more loans, "

moron. the cost of living is lower in Russia.

10/21/2011 8:50:14 AM

I don't understand the hate for occupy wall street?

I mean is it that bad people just want to work 40 hours a week and be able to live comfortably?

10/21/2011 9:47:14 AM

did we post occupy #vagina pics here yet?

10/21/2011 9:48:24 AM

^^^ you're the moron

10/21/2011 9:54:03 AM

Quote :

"moron. the cost of living is lower in Russia."

this is the opinions of a dumb redneck who has never lived or seen outside of the US

if you want the truth here it is:

1) russians buy milk in liters and with rus rublz. so it's a simple conversion to gallons and dollars
---in russia the current price of milk per gallon in USDOLLARS is $3.03
---in US the current price of milk per gallon in USDOLLARS is also $3.00

2) the average salary
---The average gross personal income in Russia is $7,126
---The average gross personal income in the United States is $28,585

So an american pays $3 for milk, and makes 4x the monthly salary as a russian. And a russian makes 21k less than you and still has to pay $3 for a damn gallon of milk.

And these fuckers are out on the street protesting for a more socialized govt exactly like they have

in conclusion: yes indeed, fuck these protestors.


[Edited on October 21, 2011 at 11:16 AM. Reason : -]

10/21/2011 11:14:49 AM

i personally challenge you to look up and compare the prices of any other commodities you wish. you don't have to. just give somebody a call in that area of europe and ask them what life is like and how they survive. then ask what type of govt they have and how much taxes they pay

then come back here and put another dumbass redneck uneducated response.


[Edited on October 21, 2011 at 11:20 AM. Reason : ,]

10/21/2011 11:18:49 AM

My two cents (and don't get me wrong, I agree with some of the protestors complaints, but)

Quote :

"that we collectively bailed them out of the clusterfuck that THEY created"

Quote :

"the repercussions of their mistakes?"

this is a unfair.

I imagine we can all agree that the mortgage collapse is the biggest factor in regards to our recession. And so many people love to blame the sub-prime market, predatory lending, the "packetization" of bad loans, overall lender/bank greed, etc. for this mess when their culpability was just the tip of the iceberg.

My brother and I are both real estate lawyers, and from our experience the vast majority of people getting those loans back in the mid 2000s were one of two things:

1- people joining the "flipping houses" trend thinking they could get this great low interest loan for the first couple of years, and sell the property for a tidy profit before the rates skyrocketed - those on the back end of the bubble took the risk, and got caught with the bag.

2- even more common, were countless people counting their chickens and/or buying way more house than they needed (the keeping up with the Jones type), thinking they could get these nice homes at great low rates, assuming they would refinance or be making a lot more money in the future (of course lenders certainly made matters worse by not even checking incomes half the fucking time)

Of course all that individual greed and entitlement was compounded by so many developers (whether they be large national companies, or local individuals) artificially driving up the prices of homes. In fact many of them are being sued and/or prosecuted now for doing so....

But the guilt shouldn't lie with them alone, municipalities/local/county governments were conveniently looking the other way so that home appraisal values would continue to rise, greatly increasing their revenue from property tax collection. Hell, many of them are still refusing to lower house values or claim they are going to do reassessments in the near future (which is often bullshit)

And of course the Federal government, all the while, was encouraging this type of lending (because everybody deserves the American dream), setting up programs to back these risky fucking loans to begin with.




The corporations are just the scapegoat, when this "greed" runs head to fucking toe throughout our country.

We ought to be protesting this whole fucking culture of ours.





[Edited on October 21, 2011 at 12:00 PM. Reason : f]

10/21/2011 11:53:36 AM

^bingo

10/21/2011 1:35:33 PM

How were developers artificially driving up the prices of homes? My understanding is that they were just responding to demand. If they wanted to artificially drive up prices, wouldn't they have not been building as much?

10/21/2011 1:55:32 PM

The most common way I've seen was this (which is very much illegal):



Developer would purchase a large section of land and plat it out with numerous lots. When they would begin to sell the first section of lots, they would carefully select initial buyers that they could do "back door dealings" with. For example, knowing that a particular lot was only worth about 100,000 dollars, they would "sell" the lot to the buyer for 150,000 on record, and then after the closing, give them back 50,000 dollars. The new buyer loved it because they just got the lot for its real value of 100,000.00 but it appears to be worth 150,000. The developer can now try and sell the subsequent lots for the 150,000 [A lot of appraising deals with the sale price of similar lots, so along with the fact that your neighbor appears to have paid 150,000, people thought that was a fair value].

Of course even with just a few developers doing this in an area, you could see how the whole thing could steamroll even with legit developers following.....

Another developer comes in and builds another subdivision right beside the one mentioned above. They see the previous developer selling for that value on record, appraisers value the new lots in similar fashion, and all of a sudden the surrounding subdivision is selling for artificial values as well.




[Edited on October 21, 2011 at 2:14 PM. Reason : ddd]

10/21/2011 2:07:58 PM

^That's been going on long before the housing bubble. Developers would often provide incentives to established builders in order to guarantee a certain standard of house is built. And just because a builder purchases a lot for a certain price doesn't necessarily mean he can just pass on the cost to the home owner.

Don't mean to derail the super-interesting thread, I have just never heard the argument that developers were responsible for the housing bubble.

10/21/2011 2:37:26 PM