i think its been established that the general attitude here is zimmerman should have laid there and taken it.

he was following him after all and he had it coming.

5/16/2012 9:20:49 AM

repost on page 19

BREAKING NEWS

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"A medical report by George Zimmerman's family doctor shows the neighborhood watch volunteer was diagnosed with a fractured nose, two black eyes and two lacerations on the back of the head after his fatal confrontation with Trayvon Martin.

The medical exam, which was taken a day after Zimmerman's February 26 altercation with the unarmed 17-year-old, says Zimmerman suffered a "closed fracture" of his nose, according to two sources who have detailed knowledge of the investigation.

"


Obviously the family doctor is racist and falsified the medical report in order to have his Aryan brother aquitted for nabbing an innocent African American boy just strolling down the street eating skittles

5/16/2012 9:49:55 AM

5/16/2012 9:56:00 AM

i haven't been following this. i thought i heard that some thug pics were released of treyvon that weren't actually him.

and y0willy0 is an extremely biased hack, he's hard to take seriously

5/16/2012 2:03:59 PM

What kind of sicko gashes an innocent boy's knuckles with his face and then kills him with THC bullets?

5/18/2012 6:06:55 AM

Zimmerman sounds like a piece of shit but not guilty of second degree murder.

5/18/2012 8:36:19 AM

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"What kind of sicko gashes an innocent boy's knuckles with his face and then kills him with THC bullets?"

I know you're going for LOL SARCASM!!!!!11, but there could easily be a scenario where GZ confronts TM and starts an altercation, is getting his ass handed to him and shoots TM. We don't know what led up to the fight and who the aggressor was because TM is dead.

5/18/2012 8:43:08 AM

True. Which is why the burden to prove 2nd degree murder is on the prosecution. They've yet to prove or even present anything that suggests they have evidence to prove that. Their attempts to show that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation with Martin were shut down during the arthur hearing. For all we know, and IIRC this is what Zimmerman claims, he was following Martin when Martin turned around, confronted him and asked him if he had a problem and then said, "well you have one now" and proceeded to wail on him.

Unless there is any evidence to disprove that story, Zimmerman's word plus the physical evidence, which all seems to show that Zimmerman was getting whipped pretty badly, is what we have to go on. Based on that it looks like he has a pretty solid claim of self defense.

5/18/2012 10:46:46 AM

I'm not disagreeing with you, it's just too bad someone's dead and can't tell their side of the story. If only Zimmerman had stayed in his car and never initiated contact.

5/18/2012 11:24:48 AM

I agree, he probably shouldn't have gotten out of his car, but again, it's unclear if he or Martin initiated contact. Nothing wrong with following someone you don't recognize if you're part of neighborhood watch in your community.

5/18/2012 11:30:38 AM

Unless you're prejudiced against them. I'm sure we're not coming up with anything new though, so hopefully when the trial gets really underway we will get some new information.

5/18/2012 11:54:32 AM

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"Nothing wrong with following someone you don't recognize if you're part of neighborhood watch in your community."

Nothing wrong except that it ended up with someone dead.

5/18/2012 12:43:02 PM

THE SCOURGE OF "MARI-HUANA"

5/18/2012 3:33:07 PM

lol HUR reappears just to defend GZ

how's that "not racist" thing working out for you, you motherfucking disgusting bigot

5/18/2012 7:13:17 PM

seriously, you baleful piece of garbage, it's not a coincidence that on every issue of race you "happen" to slice against minorities

the sheer joy you take in it is strong evidence

[Edited on May 18, 2012 at 7:17 PM. Reason : .]

5/18/2012 7:17:23 PM

ah look, the return of the mcdanger 4-5 minute angry double-post.

that must be how long it takes for his feces to boil; he just sits there in them until he cant take it any longer.

i imagine in a similar situation i would be unable to hit "edit post" as well.

5/18/2012 8:38:29 PM

Lol!

5/18/2012 9:16:36 PM

Lol, reading some of the above comments, reminds me how I got called a bigot for not calling Zimmerman a murderer. I said something like "isn't there a legal difference between manslaughter and murder?" and "I won't rush to judgement."

People rush to judgement when we don't have all the facts (media surely does and I did too initially). Needless to say, it was tragic and I believe avoidable. I think most people agree, myself included, George Zimmerman took the wrong course. I understand there is a lot of emotion in this case... media has been blasting on the news everyday.

My main issue is people that want to lynch Zimmerman even before a trial, saying he deserves to hang.

5/19/2012 12:07:51 AM

I'm surprised the black-looking white President hasn't commented further on the white-looking Hispanic's actions against the black-looking black kid.

[shrug]

5/19/2012 12:08:04 AM

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"My main issue is people that want to lynch Zimmerman even before a trial, saying he deserves to hang."

He'll still deserve to hang even if Florida's retarded laws about self-defense only apply to white people hunting black children.

It's pretty fucking stupid to play the "I'm just waitin for the trial" card when the whole fucking issue with cases like these are a racist justice system that gives whites the benefit of a doubt when they stalk and kill unarmed teenagers in the street.

[Edited on May 21, 2012 at 9:01 AM. Reason : .]

5/21/2012 8:59:06 AM

nm

[Edited on May 21, 2012 at 9:23 AM. Reason : .]

5/21/2012 9:22:54 AM

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"racist justice system that gives whites the benefit of a doubt when they stalk and kill unarmed teenagers in the street"

I hope this a troll.

For some folks it is just way to easy to always blame problems by pulling out the "victim" card as needed to turn everything into a racially motivated issue.

5/21/2012 12:08:48 PM

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" black-looking white President"

i was hoping the soap box would have meaningful dialogue and debates. i'm sad to see that a lot of it is just rhetoric from political hacks and irrational extremists.

5/21/2012 12:23:43 PM

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"He'll still deserve to hang even if Florida's retarded laws about self-defense only apply to white people hunting black children."

ITT Str8Foolish supports the death penalty.

5/21/2012 12:34:07 PM

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"For some folks it is just way to easy to always blame problems by pulling out the "victim" card as needed to turn everything into a racially motivated issue."

Funnily enough, the only dipshits who ever pull the "race card card" are the ones who never once in their life acknowledge 'racially motivated issues' except when there's a burning cross in the lawn, and even then will hem and haw about it. Some folks just don't want to admit racism exists, for whatever reason, probably political, so they make a point of shooting down accusations of racism by merit of them being accusations of racism.

Please, point me to the last unarmed white teenager in a hoodie that Zimmerman hunted down with a loaded gun. Unless, there was something special about Trayvon that made him different from every other teenager that wears a hoodie (ie. all of them), then please, tell me what was so uniquely suspicious about him that Zimmerman was able to pick up on?

Better yet, point me to the last fully grown black man who stalked and fatally shot a white teenager in the street, claimed self defense to the police within a few yards of the puddle of blood, and wasn't laughed at all the way to death row.

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"ITT Str8Foolish supports the death penalty."

I didn't say "until dead"

[Edited on May 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2012 2:27:08 PM

You're obviously biased, at least based on the language you're using. It would only be possible to say that Zimmerman had hunted down/gunned down Martin if you had read nothing about the case. It's pretty clear from the evidence presented thus far that it's not as black and white as you're making it out to be. Based on eye witness reports from the night of the shooting, Zimmerman's statement that he shot Martin after getting into a fight seems credible. His injuries were also consistent with someone that was getting beat down.

There have been plenty of clear cut cases in U.S. history where prejudice won out in a classic "white people vs. black people" scenario. This doesn't look like one of them.

5/21/2012 2:44:29 PM

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"Zimmerman's statement that he shot Martin after getting into a fight seems credible."

He only got into a fight because he found an unarmed teenager to be suspicious, and likely emboldened by his weapon, stalked and confronted him. Why did he find him suspicious? Has he ever done the same to a white teenager, which I'm sure were quite common in his neighborhood? You're avoiding the points I'm actually making, that the racism manifests in his suspicions and in the benefit of a doubt the police gave him.

And....what? How could he have shot Martin before getting into a fight? Who even claimed this, that he got beaten down by zombie-Trayvon?

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"There have been plenty of clear cut cases in U.S. history where prejudice won out in a classic "white people vs. black people" scenario. This doesn't look like one of them."

Why did it take a national uproar for them to actually investigate the murder? Do you think the cops would have taken him at his word on the "self defense" claim if he had been black, and Trayvon white, and he had followed him down an alleyway in the hood?

Oh, and this bears repeating:

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"Funnily enough, the only dipshits who ever pull the "race card card" are the ones who never once in their life acknowledge 'racially motivated issues' except when there's a burning cross in the lawn, and even then will hem and haw about it. Some folks just don't want to admit racism exists, for whatever reason, probably political, so they make a point of shooting down accusations of racism by merit of them being accusations of racism."

[Edited on May 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2012 2:47:49 PM

Probably because he was a hooded black kid in a neighborhood where no one expects to see a hooded black kid. If it had been a white guy in a polo shirt, this wouldn't have happened.

It's not the job of the court to psychoanalyze Zimmerman, though. This guy obviously had some Barney Fife syndrome going on and there may have been some racial prejudice at play. The real issue is how the conflict escalated. It's legal to follow someone menacingly. It's not legal to initiate an assault. It is legal to shoot someone if they initiate an assault towards you.

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"Why did it take a national uproar for them to actually investigate the murder? Do you think the cops would have taken him at his word on the "self defense" claim if he had been black, and Trayvon white?"

I don't know. That was my initial inquiry, although I'm still not clear on what investigation took place after the shooting. There are pictures that the police took of Zimmerman the night of the shooting within the precinct, and there are eye witness reports that seem to corroborate his story.

[Edited on May 21, 2012 at 2:54 PM. Reason : ]

5/21/2012 2:51:51 PM

When you're trying to deny the institutionalized racism of our justice system, you might not want to just ignore this question:

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"Do you think the cops would have taken him at his word on the "self defense" claim if he had been black, and Trayvon white, and he had followed him down an alleyway in the hood?"

Actually, you probably do want to ignore it.

5/21/2012 2:54:07 PM

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"Probably because he was a hooded black kid in a neighborhood where no one expects to see a hooded black kid. If it had been a white guy in a polo shirt, this wouldn't have happened."

What about a white kid in a hoodie? Do you really, honestly believe that would have put it in suspicious territory?

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"Actually, you probably do want to ignore it."

Of course he does, he's fucking destroyer. He doesn't care about institutionalized racism unless he's using the Drug War to talk up Ron Paul.

[Edited on May 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2012 2:54:15 PM

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"Actually, you probably do want to ignore it."

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"Of course he does, he's fucking destroyer. He doesn't care about institutionalized racism unless he's using the Drug War to talk up Ron Paul."

See the first page of this thread, dipshits.

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"What about a white kid in a hoodie? Do you really, honestly believe that would have put it in suspicious territory?"

You're asking a question that can't possibly be answered without making assumptions of Zimmerman. I know you're more than willing to make assumptions, but I'm not.

[Edited on May 21, 2012 at 2:58 PM. Reason : ]

5/21/2012 2:55:19 PM

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"You're asking a question that can't possibly be answered without making assumptions of Zimmerman. I know you're more than willing to make assumptions, but I'm not."

I'm only assuming that white kids in Florida wear hoodies just as often as kids in the rest of America: always.

5/21/2012 2:57:27 PM

I'm surprised at how many people assume that it's a white neighborhood even though the two residents we're aware of are a black single father and a hispanic.

5/21/2012 2:57:29 PM

Whatever it takes to rationally justify "Threat Level: black guy in a hoodie".

[Edited on May 21, 2012 at 2:58 PM. Reason : quotation unneeded]

5/21/2012 2:58:41 PM

You're a fucking idiot.

I'm stating that prejudice is the most likely reason that Zimmerman initially targeted Martin, but that prejudice is irrelevant in this case.

5/21/2012 3:00:34 PM

Say one thing about Zimmerman's motivations, and you've crossed the line, you're playing judge, jury, and execution you savage! Unless of course you assume he probably has some unstated, valid reason for his suspicion that he's just keeping to himself.

However, it's totally safe to assume Trayvon started the fight because, you know, he appeared to be winning up until he was shot dead. Also, he had trace amounts of THC in his bloodstream, and was probably listening to that "Jazz" music the negroes are so fond of.

5/21/2012 3:00:41 PM

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"I'm surprised at how many people assume that it's a white neighborhood even though the two residents we're aware of are a black single father and a hispanic."

For the 50th time in this thread: Hispanic and white are not mutually exclusive, despite what so many Anglo Saxons think.

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"I'm stating that prejudice is the most likely reason that Zimmerman initially targeted Martin, but that prejudice is irrelevant in this case."

This case wouldn't be a case if it weren't for that prejudice. That prejudice is literally the sole reason this case is even happening. It's the sole reason Martin is dead. That's why shitheads like you who will do anything to avoid actually talking about the racial dimension are so fucking detestable and vile.


[Edited on May 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2012 3:02:06 PM

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"For the 50th time in this thread: Hispanic and white are not mutually exclusive, despite what so many Anglo Saxons think."

Derpa derpa derrr. What's your point?

5/21/2012 3:10:53 PM

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"This case wouldn't be a case if it weren't for that prejudice. That prejudice is literally the sole reason this case is even happening. It's the sole reason Martin is dead. That's why shitheads like you who will do anything to avoid actually talking about the racial dimension are so fucking detestable and vile."

Prejudice might be the reason that the justice system failed in the beginning, but we're beyond that point now. Now, an actual trial is occurring, and the job of the court isn't to figure out if Zimmerman is racist. The job of the court is to figure out what happened based on evidence, and to determine to the best of its ability if Zimmerman's story checks out.

Your racial hypersensitivity, once again, makes you unfit to be an objective judge in this instance. I'm not interested in opening up the can of worms that is your white-guilt-ridden psyche.

5/21/2012 3:11:11 PM

Str8Foolish, i'm guessing 'Str8Douchebag' was already taken when you registered? regardless of the topic, you never fail to come off as the most rude and condescending user in this forum.

get off your high horse, you prick.

5/21/2012 4:43:15 PM

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"Better yet, point me to the last fully grown black man who stalked and fatally shot a white teenager in the street, claimed self defense to the police within a few yards of the puddle of blood, and wasn't laughed at all the way to death row. "

No the fully grown black man just stalks the white teenager to take his wallet from him. At least from what I hear on WRAL or the random
"suspicious activity" e-mails from the NCSU.

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"Has he ever done the same to a white teenager, which I'm sure were quite common in his neighborhood?"

Anecdotes I have heard claims he has filed dozens of 911 calls regarding "suspicious" or "nussiance" behavior as part of his
community watch role. I highly doubt they were only when the culprit was black.

5/21/2012 4:57:53 PM

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"it's not as black and white as you're making it out to be."

Actually it's black and brown, in this case, isn't it?

5/21/2012 5:58:41 PM

Please never attempt to make a joke again.

5/21/2012 7:43:27 PM

Fun Fact: the word "fuck" appears on this page 8 times.






Oh wait, make that 9.

5/22/2012 2:40:23 PM

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"It's not the job of the court to psychoanalyze Zimmerman, though."

Yes it is. That's usually what the jury has to do. Intent is almost always considered when a decision is decided. It's what separates murder 1 from murder 2, etc. The whole point of the trial is going to be deciding if a "reasonable person" would have acted in a similar fashion. That can't be determined without getting inside the dude's head.

5/22/2012 2:56:59 PM

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"Yes it is. That's usually what the jury has to do. Intent is almost always considered when a decision is decided. It's what separates murder 1 from murder 2, etc. The whole point of the trial is going to be deciding if a "reasonable person" would have acted in a similar fashion. That can't be determined without getting inside the dude's head."

Intent is obviously a major a consideration, but intent isn't what you think it is. Determining intent is determining if Zimmerman set out to shoot Martin, or if he shot him when he felt he had no choice in self-defense. If the circumstances of the shooting can be established (i.e. was there a fight occurring at the time of the shooting, or Zimmerman shot Martin while he was fleeing), intent can be made clear. No psychoanalysis is needed.

Motive, on the other hand, is very different. Maybe a deep-seated trust of black people caused Zimmerman to follow Martin. Maybe he was just a paranoid freak. The court can try to understand Zimmerman's true character, but it's secondary to hard evidence.

5/22/2012 3:38:11 PM

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-22/news/os-george-zimmerman-key-witnesses-20120522_1_witnesses-change-shooting-fdle-agent

Witnesses are starting to change their stories, and all changes have been to Zimmerman's detriment.

An ethical prosecutor would immediately dismiss or discount any witness whose story changed substantially. They were either lying before, lying now, or they are generally unreliable.

I would not be surprised one bit for an article like this to appear in the next few weeks or months:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/duke_lacrosse_rape_case_witness_intimidation/

Then again, maybe it's just coincidence that these stories changed, against Zimmerman, when they were 'interviewed' by FDLE under the direction of the special prosecutor who is up for re-election.

[Edited on May 24, 2012 at 4:59 PM. Reason : d]

5/24/2012 4:54:42 PM

Nifong is a rare breed of douchbag.

Witness testimony is known to be unreliable anyway, cops know this and good cross examination should reveal it. I'm not sure how throwing it out helps Z though, then you just have a wannabe cop with a history of violent rash decision making shooting an unarmed kid walking home carrying tea and skittles.

5/24/2012 5:48:25 PM

The assumed complete innocence of Martin in this case is astonishing. For the record, I'm not saying either one of them is/was innocent of wrongdoing... it's just.. good grief.. people on here analyze this thing as if they were there watching the whole thing.

[Edited on May 25, 2012 at 12:10 AM. Reason : ]

5/25/2012 12:09:20 AM

I mean, I guess I understand where you are going with the "assumed innocence," namely that maybe Martin threw a punch or something. But we must agree that, more than likely, Martin was completely innocent of any wrongdoing while he was walking down the street with a bag of skittles and a bottle of tea. I'm not inclined to complain too much that a kid feels threatened after being stalked by a wanna-be-Billy-Badass with his highly-sought-after post of self-appointed neighborhood watch captain and suspicious kid in a hoodie certifications

5/26/2012 5:16:04 PM