You got me there. We need you to stop shitting your pants long enough to win a home game. Very relevant. Guess if you fail you're irrelevant again and Burnley becomes relevant.

4/23/2019 12:34:40 AM

wazza admits club is a shambles and this season is bad and a lot of work needs to be done

Ribs does the same but apparently he's just mad and lapping up a media shit storm because his team (ahead in the table and in a CL semifinal) is irrelevant

makes sense

4/23/2019 3:16:50 AM

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"What a shambles this club is. -wazza "

4/23/2019 8:13:30 AM

So does anyone want that last CL spot? Chelsea drops points at home, United trounced at Goodison, Arsenal lose to an up and down CP team. Spurs could start an all reserve squad tonight and pick up 3 points.

the only silver lining from last night is that with Achilles injury CHO is likely to not move to Bayern this summer.

4/23/2019 9:32:05 AM

They wouldn't let him go anyway with the imminent transfer ban imo

4/23/2019 10:26:55 AM

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"wazza admits club is a shambles and this season is bad and a lot of work needs to be done Ribs does the same but apparently he's just mad and lapping up a media shit storm because his team (ahead in the table and in a CL semifinal) is irrelevant"

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"I really appreciate yall hiring that norwegian driver or whatever he is"

Yea not really the same. If our manager is a driver but is sitting 3 points behind the most successful spurs team in history then what does that say about Spurs? As I said, Spurs fans are getting cocky over barely making a CL semi final but in reality they are closer to this United team than the European elites.

Also its funny to me that United has no chance of turning this around in the next year because the media is lapping up this downturn in form. Football clubs with a lot of resources have changed their fortunes pretty quickly if they get the right players in. I trust our driver to get those players in and get rid of this current deadwood.

[Edited on April 23, 2019 at 12:40 PM. Reason : a]

4/23/2019 12:37:49 PM

Spurs may be closer to United than European elite, but United is closer to Everton than to the top 5.

Also who said United has no chance? With the money they have, they will have a chance but they'll have to make better decisions than they have. And without the draw of CL probably.

4/23/2019 12:49:47 PM

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"United is closer to Everton than to the top 5. "

Because of one result? Lmao. Have you seen the table? By this logic every team from 3 to 6 is closer to Everton than the top 2. I love how United is 3 points away from 3rd but is closer to Everton than the other wanks who are from 3 to 5. Lmao. Media and recency bias at its finest.

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"Also who's said United have no chance"

This dumbass question without even proper facts considering our driver's yes man hasn't even been hired as a technical director.

Quote :

"Is Man U fucked for the next couple of years? Stuck with OGS, now they hired his yes man who's only experience as technical director was for a bit in Australian league."

[Edited on April 23, 2019 at 1:09 PM. Reason : s]

4/23/2019 1:03:44 PM

Nah based on 538s team ratings. The top 4 teams (city, BM, pool, Barca) are in the 90s, a clear tier above (over 6 pts separate 5 & 6), then 5-20 in the 80s (Spurs, Chelsea arsenal). United is at 31, Everton is 36. This weekends game certainly impacted the rankings, 4-0 tends to do that.

And that post you quoted didn't say "united have no chance", he wondered if they could overcome the flaws he perceives. If he wanted to say they had no chance he would say "united ARE fucked bc..."

4/23/2019 1:19:28 PM

Here we go again with rankings that don't objectively mean shit. Bayern Munich and PSG are great examples of why they are flawed.

No it wasn't a simple question it was a presumption and hope that goes on to insult. As I said Spurs fans coming up with so much disrespect is ridiculous considering they are irrelevant when it comes to football. My reaction would be different if it were city or pool fans saying this but its laughable coming from tottenham fans who have not seen their team even lift the mickey mouse cup.

4/23/2019 1:25:09 PM

Well, sure he was hoping and insulting, this is a fan thread, that's what we're supposed to do! He did NOT say no chance, however.

Also, counterpoint to my own post! Just read this column about how tough it is to be United manager and how they probably need a better front office, but they also point out that United has 3rd best PL xG since Ole started. As a strong proponent that last year Liverpool is a clear story of Before and After VVD, I should acknowledge that United has been good since Ole, other than this weekend I guess.
https://nograssintheclouds.substack.com/p/why-its-impossible-to-manage-manchester


Aliso Bayern and PSG are top 6 on 538, are you saying that is huhhly over rating them?

[Edited on April 23, 2019 at 1:38 PM. Reason : And rankings objectively mean far more than your or my SUBJECTIVE opinions ]

4/23/2019 1:37:53 PM

I have been saying this for a while that club management is a problem so not really surprising. I have been asking for a technical director for years now because Ed only knows to how to profit. The owners only care about commercial revenue and Ed has no clue how to run football operations.

Ole is the right driver to lead us. Whether he has the right setup to help him succeed is another matter altogether.

4/23/2019 2:27:22 PM

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"Ole is the right driver to lead us"

So you would turn down Poch for Ole today if given an option?

[Edited on April 24, 2019 at 8:08 AM. Reason : Coincidentally, Jose was also the right man before this current right man was the right man, right man?]

[Edited on April 24, 2019 at 8:09 AM. Reason : COYS]

4/24/2019 8:07:07 AM

There is no right driver anymore with the salaries and egos of these players.

4/24/2019 9:33:28 AM

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"So you would turn down Poch for Ole today if given an option?"

100%, Poch's biggest success is reaching a CL semi and managing a bunch of players to punch above their weight. I actually don't think Poch can manage the ego's we have and I'd rather let someone who knows the club and has been a legend get the chance to build something.

Ole is getting a lot of stick for players who have failed three previous managers now. Ole gets the club, knows what excellence looks like and should be given the time to build a team. The problem isn't the manager and hasn't been for a while. Ed Woodward and club management have failed themselves and every manager. Great example of this is to give Jose a new contract and splash cash on Sanchez but then 4 months later after finishing 2nd they refused to sign the players Jose wanted. Granted Jose wanted to sell Martial and some others to fund these older players but if you weren't going to trust the manager then why give him a new contract and then refuse to back him?

If the club truly cares about football and not just the commercial bullshit then they can't continue to faff about with Ed fucking Woodward in charge of football operations. Poch isn't going to come in and fix this team. I'd rather give Ole a chance and I hope he builds a team of younger players. Get rid of Pogba ASAP and if Martial continues this attitude get rid of him too. If Ole gets a DOF and a proper back office structure I don't see why he can't succeed. Tactically he has proven enough IMO.

[Edited on April 24, 2019 at 11:10 AM. Reason : a]

4/24/2019 11:08:02 AM

wazza mad

4/24/2019 11:31:01 AM

It's weird to me how wazza hand waves making a CL semifinal like it's no big deal when we discuss Spurs and Poch's ability. But not making the CL semifinal or quarterfinal is the reason he thinks Bayern and PSG are overrated. Whatever suits the argument I guess.

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"I'd rather give Ole a chance and I hope he builds a team of younger players. Get rid of Pogba ASAP and if Martial continues this attitude get rid of him too. If Ole gets a DOF and a proper back office structure I don't see why he can't succeed. Tactically he has proven enough IMO."

Again, I'm skeptical he will build a team of younger players when Young is still playing regularly. And McTominay isn't being given regular run either. You can't just "get rid" of 50% or more of your team in one season and expect it to turn around immediately. Especially with someone that has ZERO track record of doing that. It's all just wishful thinking right now.

[Edited on April 24, 2019 at 12:33 PM. Reason : .]

4/24/2019 12:30:23 PM

Bayern and PSG are expected to make the CL quarters/semis. Tottenham isn't. Where did I question Poch' ability? I simply answered that no I wouldn't take Poch over Ole and very clearly laid out why Ole is the better fit for United. You are literally reacting to one win for Tottenham. Did you conveniently forget how they almost bottled the third place spot? Poch still hasn't won anything so the risk really is similar. What Poch has done at Spurs can't be replicated here simply because the expectations are much different.

Ole' lack of experience is really not true. You do realize that Ole has taken a Molde team that has had a history of mediocrity and made them title challengers right? Yes with investment but he played a 17 year old striker as his starter in the title winning season and made tons of their players better. He also topped the Europa league group with Ajax and Celtic in it and beat defending champs Sevilla 1-0 at home before losing 3-0 away. The same Sevilla that went on to beat Liverpool in the final. Does success with Molde translate to success at United? No but he has experience and he has to start somewhere as well. I am more than impressed with Ole' 4 months. I have said it previously that he could go on to lose every match from then till the end and he'd still be the right manager for us. I am sure someone will now bring up Cardiff to refute this point despite Ole mentioning Cardiff wasn't the right fit and he learned from that experience.

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"I'm skeptical he will build a team of younger players when Young is still playing regularly. And McTominay isn't being given regular run either. "

Young being the only wing back that is fit and not suspended is now a black mark against Ole? McTominay was literally rested against Everton to start today.... Ole hasn't even had a transfer window and now its his fault.

None of you would make decent business managers with your short term knee jerking and zero awareness of the bigger picture.

[Edited on April 24, 2019 at 12:51 PM. Reason : a]

4/24/2019 12:49:46 PM

so about four months ago, Poch is easily the most coveted manager, in spite of Ole's massive success at Molde

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"Man gotta say Spurs are shitting the bed with the eminent opening at Madrid and United. Poch is easily the most coveted manager out there and I can't see Levy being able to convince him to stay unless Tottenham is willing to spend some money. Poch will have access to better players, higher paycheck, more prestige and even great academy prospects at Old Trafford and the Bernabeu. If the right offer comes in I can see Poch calling it over the summer. Love the rumor of Ole and Phelan taking over though. Season's a wash, lets get someone who understands what it is to be Manchester United in for the rest of the year."

now he's a loser of a coach even though he's in the same spot in the table and in a CL semifinal. Get lawst dude, you're such a troll

4/24/2019 1:15:48 PM

4/24/2019 1:39:52 PM

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"now he's a loser of a coach even though he's in the same spot in the table and in a CL semifinal. Get lawst dude, you're such a troll"

Where did I question Poch' ability? I simply answered that no I wouldn't take Poch over Ole and very clearly laid out why Ole is the better fit for United.

So I get asked a question and respond honestly and that equates to Poch being a loser coach? Literally in the post you quoted I said I love Ole and Phelan taking over. lmao. So putting words into my mouth and accusing me of trolling when you are clearly doing it. I look forward to Volcom posting more stupid GIFS on how you got lawyered.

[Edited on April 24, 2019 at 2:04 PM. Reason : a]

[Edited on April 24, 2019 at 2:04 PM. Reason : a]

4/24/2019 2:03:08 PM

Haha he doesn't see it.

4/24/2019 2:08:04 PM

4/24/2019 2:20:23 PM

hahahahahhaha

4/24/2019 2:21:57 PM

aw love the schadenfreude, especially when spurs fans come out of the woodwork after disappearing forever. Hated, adored but never ignored. Love the obsession.

[Edited on April 24, 2019 at 2:31 PM. Reason : a]

4/24/2019 2:31:18 PM

Fuck your driver for putting this team on the pitch.

4/24/2019 3:14:37 PM

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"Fuck your driver for putting this team on the pitch."

15 minutes in and we are playing pretty well. Fuck you for not being appreciative enough of the team that determines if you win the title you mong.

4/24/2019 3:17:54 PM

fucking Everton match keeps haunting us with this laughable Arsenal scoreline. Watch us get a scrappy draw here only to lose to Chelsea.

4/24/2019 3:33:56 PM

Arsenlol

4/24/2019 3:37:33 PM

you know wazza will always be a hack when he defends any reason to play Ashley fuckin Young in April 2019

4/24/2019 4:24:12 PM

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"Fuck your driver for putting this team on the pitch."

I rest my fucking case.

4/24/2019 4:26:25 PM

4/24/2019 4:33:38 PM

Promising young talent Lingard having a tough night from a meter out.

4/24/2019 4:37:12 PM

love the pool fans being pissed. Don't have the ability to win the title on your own so mad at United players. Gentle reminder that this shit United team has still won more trophies than the best team ever assembled in PL history under such a pasunate manager.

4/24/2019 4:48:08 PM

Cool

4/24/2019 4:54:51 PM

Jesus. Remember when De Gea was good?

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"aw love the schadenfreude, especially when spurs fans come out of the woodwork after disappearing forever. Hated, adored but never ignored. Love the obsession. "

4/24/2019 8:33:16 PM

How in the fuck is Paul Pogba in the PFA Team of the Year? Were the voters watching him in an alternate dimension?

Did they consider Eden Hazard a forward?

4/25/2019 7:59:26 AM

Most goals and assists in the top 5 leagues as centre mid. Yes that includes 7 penos but it is what it is. He is also United's only creative outlet despite having a team of donkeys surrounding him. I am not a big fan of Pogba but I can see why he is on the list. That said I'd have put Erikson in there. That midfield three though looks like it would beat any midfield in the world.

That said, Hazard over Mane for me. That is criminal.

4/25/2019 10:24:46 AM

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"Royal Dyche ? @RoyalDyche Follow Follow @RoyalDyche More Don’t worry Liverpool, every season Burnley have been in the PL, we’ve beaten the reigning champions! We’ve got this ?? 2009/10 Burnley 1 - Man Utd 0 2014/15 Burnley 1 - Man City 0 2016/17 Burnley 1 - Leicester 0 2017/18 Chelsea 2 - Burnley 3 2018/19 Burnley V Man City"

4/25/2019 10:29:27 AM

Not to infight but Salah should have been in over Mane OR Hazard. He's 4th in G+A but also leads the lead in xG+A. His xG actually matches his output but his xA outperforms his actual numbers. There's been lots of talk about his finishing, but teammates are actually holding him back more.

Salah didn't finish at the superstar level he did last year (outperformed his xG by almost 7!) but he has been really really good.

4/25/2019 4:30:21 PM

Honestly I thought Salah was already in the team. Just realized he isn't. If we are considering forwards though it is criminal that hazard isn't in there but do you take Sterling off for Salah? I would have put Salah in there but given the choice of Sterling, aguero and mane I'd say Hazard deserves it over Mane. I honestly can't tell if Salah deserves it over Sterling though. It's tough. Both Saha and Sterling have been brilliant.

[Edited on April 26, 2019 at 12:14 AM. Reason : A]

4/26/2019 12:13:23 AM

The problem is the Front 3 part of the PFA XI is loaded with deserving talent.

Salah statistically has had a great campaign, but compared to last year its not as good (Though last year he was one of the top 3 players in all of Football)

4/26/2019 8:02:15 AM

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"Hazard over Mane for me. That is criminal."

Criminal is a bit much but I would definitely have Hazard in the team somewhere.

Mane has been the business this year but his major impact has been in CL.

4/26/2019 10:33:42 AM

Not saying Mane doesn't deserve it because he has been great too but Hazard definitely has been better. I also think the who scored TOTY is a lot more balanced:

4/26/2019 11:06:35 AM

Mane is such a brilliant header

4/26/2019 5:18:36 PM

Missed the hat trick by an inch. Also that last Salah attempt is difference bw last season and this, the far corner finishes from the right side.

Also re: Salah

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"kiljadn All American 44656 Posts user info edit post Just gonna put this into the stream: he is definitely a one season wonder now, on to other topics: someone please fire Mourinho 10/8/2018 6:49:0"

Lol

[Edited on April 26, 2019 at 5:23 PM. Reason : E]

4/26/2019 5:22:25 PM

We just trying to catch up in GD haha

4/26/2019 9:46:28 PM

Good thing we didn't hire that Argentinian driver. I am sure ribs will disappear till they eek out a win again.

4/27/2019 9:41:48 AM

Lol

[Edited on April 27, 2019 at 9:43 AM. Reason : s]

4/27/2019 9:43:10 AM

Just relegate everyone but Liverpool and City.

4/27/2019 11:55:28 AM