I'm serious. I know literally nothing about photography, just curious what makes this better or different since better is qualitative

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2/6/2012 10:08:43 PM

2/6/2012 10:09:08 PM

How am i trolling. I don't know shit about photography, just asking what this is.

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2/6/2012 10:09:40 PM

2/6/2012 10:10:46 PM

Well excuse me for not wanting to read about 500 different DSLR cameras on wikipedia

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2/6/2012 10:12:40 PM

What the fuck kind of question is "what is the big deal with DSLR" if you're legitimately interested?

2/6/2012 10:37:02 PM

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2/6/2012 10:37:59 PM

I don't think we really understand what you are asking about specifically regarding dslr cameras. There are tons of advantages versus using film.

2/6/2012 10:40:34 PM

Not Quite Slash at the final Appetite for Destruction show

2/7/2012 10:19:12 AM

Nikon D800
36MP FX
$3,000
March

2/8/2012 11:08:25 AM

Megapixels don't impress me anymore, my 5DMkII shoots 21MP and I'd probably be happy with half that

2/8/2012 11:10:24 AM

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"Megapixels don't impress me anymore, my 5DMkII shoots 21MP and I'd probably be happy with half that"

I still use and love my D40 with 6MP.

2/8/2012 11:12:14 AM

I shot Fucked Up and King Khan and Thee Oh Sees and Jacuzzi Boys last night:



http://www.beachedmiami.com/2012/02/09/bruise-cruise-kickoff-party-photos/

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2/10/2012 12:54:24 PM

Had a phone interview yesterday for a photo internship at the Victoria Advocate in Texas. Fingers crossed

2/18/2012 10:08:11 PM

well I guess that means no SoFlo get-up in December.

2/18/2012 10:19:06 PM

Ah, tits. Well if not texas then i'll probably move back to NC or to Los Angeles in May. But my gf has family down here so maybe a december vacation will happen

[Edited on February 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM. Reason : .]

2/18/2012 10:27:37 PM

I'm looking to get my flash off the camera/use multiple flashes and starting to do some product research. What flash triggers do you guys use? Likes and dislikes?

2/21/2012 9:04:46 PM

haven't been in here in a good while


what's up guys what'd i miss

2/21/2012 9:18:30 PM

i use my 7d to trigger off camera speedlights

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2/21/2012 9:21:44 PM

Pocketwizards.

Radiopoppers are good I hear, but not much cheaper. The povertywizards (anything by cactus, etc.) are worthless and unreliable and not worth the 30-50 bucks.

2/22/2012 11:30:32 AM

I just bought a T3i to use for videography. I guess I am jumping on the DSLR bandwagon.

2/28/2012 2:48:37 PM

^ Good choice! I'd say the GH2 is slightly better for video, but the Canon is waaay better for stills....

2/28/2012 3:26:50 PM

I got the T3i from Adorama via SlickDeals for $547 shipped

gotta get some lenses

2/28/2012 5:16:46 PM

Not a fantastic shot, but I'm just excited I finally caught one in the act of hatching.

2/28/2012 8:53:53 PM

bawwwwwwwww

2/29/2012 8:05:42 PM

Misc.

3/1/2012 2:15:20 AM

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"^ Good choice! I'd say the GH2 is slightly better for video, but the Canon is waaay better for stills...."

Gotta stay on the canon to use my lens for video shoots. Besides, the GH2 is not better for video. Uses a sensor that's 30% smaller and its the mirco 4/3 system that no one really uses besides traveling consumers. Canon EF lens mount is much much more adaptable to use a wider array of lenses including Zeiss. Plus its $900 vs $550...

3/1/2012 2:56:24 AM

debatable

3/1/2012 3:19:08 AM

King Khan and Thee Oh Sees is a great bill even without Fucked Up.

3/1/2012 3:30:53 AM

and the previous night had the Togas, they were fun

3/1/2012 3:33:59 AM

^^Sensor size has nothing to do with it. Sure you can get a "shallower depth of field" with the same lens, and your focal lengths will be different with different sized sensors....

ALso, you can adapt nearly ANY lens you want to fit a camera with no mirror. I normally only use Nikon glass as they have always allowed for physical manipulation of the lens' aperture, where as Canon went all electronic, so you would be stuck buying their bodies to use their lenses. But with the GH2 I can use my C-mount lenses, Nikon Mount, MD mount, Canon mount (EF and FD), Pentax, PL-mount...etc..

GH2 has a better implementation of h.264 than Canon currently has in their DSLRs and with the hack, you can far surpass any bitrate bottlenecks.

The resolution of the GH2 in terms of video versus the Canon's isn't even comparable. Canon's 1080P is no where near the resolution the GH2 offers.

Moire? Alaising? Rolling shutter? These are all real concerns when shooting full motion, and the GH2 surpasses the Canon's on each one of them. Try shooting a person with a pinstripe shirt on, or a building with a fine brick pattern in it... CANON FAIL!

Audio processing? GH2 has a better audio encoder too! Plus on screen levels, something you can't get with the canon unless you install magic lantern on it.

The GH2 is not better for stills. It is not easier to use either, IMHO.

I can't speak for the 5Dmk3, but the current offerings are inferior to the GH2 in terms of video...



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3/1/2012 8:23:32 AM

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"^^Sensor size has nothing to do with it. Sure you can get a "shallower depth of field" with the same lens"

Direct contradiction?

Quote :

"Audio processing? GH2 has a better audio encoder too! Plus on screen levels, something you can't get with the canon unless you install magic lantern on it."

Anyone using any camera's on-camera audio recording doesn't give an actual shit about audio, therefore this point is moot.

And what's wrong with installing magic lantern?

I'll take my heavier, weatherproof 7D that can also take stills that don't suck dick any day.

3/1/2012 4:27:18 PM

Quote :

"Anyone using any camera's on-camera audio recording doesn't give an actual shit about audio, therefore this point is moot. "

3/1/2012 6:10:04 PM

EOS 5D Mark III announced.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/02/canon-announces-eos-5d-mark-iii-22-3mp-full-frame-sensor-6-fps/


Canon EOS 5D Mark III – Key features:

22.3 Megapixel full-frame sensor
61-point autofocus
Up to 6fps continuous shooting
Native ISO 100-25,600 sensitivity
Full HD video with manual control
14-bit DIGIC 5+ processor
Enhanced Weather sealing
8.11cm (3.2-inch) 1,040,000-dot screen
HDR mode with presets

3/2/2012 3:47:08 AM

yeah, do want.

3/2/2012 4:19:41 AM

Quote :

"Audio processing? GH2 has a better audio encoder too! Plus on screen levels, something you can't get with the canon unless you install magic lantern on it."

I find this very amusing considering you are debating this when the OP (nick's T3i choice) is the undeniable audio expert ITT... Fuck.. the dude has a masters in audio engineering and hands down the best audio guru I know. That's why I like working with him. He knows his shit about audio and has some nice audio toys to boot. Even Ronny knows quite a bit since he's a video pro for the last 4+ years.

And yes... sensor size is important, specially in low light situations. Even the 1.6x crop sensors are very clean at 3200/6400 ISO. I've been hella impressed with Alex's video from his 7D. The Digic4 processors are just really damn good.

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"GH2 has a better implementation of h.264 than Canon currently has in their DSLRs"

Stock for stock, both Canon and the GH2 offers 24Mb/sec recording @ 1080p res with 24p fps. That's more than enough quality for a professional. I'd only want more if I was running a higher res like a RED.

I mean people shoot fucking movies, commercials, tv shows with canon bodies... wtf are you thinking? like its just some god awful shitty body that everyone in the world are compete fucking idiots about video?

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"Moire? Alaising? Rolling shutter?"

The only issue I've had with canon video is the rolling shutter, never with moire or Alaising issues. You have to know the limits of your camera capabilities anyhow; Shit even Red's have rolling shutter issues... Just means you can't flick/pan your camera insanely fast. And if you do need such an ability, you would know this limitation and use a fucking different camera system...

And besides, If I'm going to spend $1000 on a small, interchangeable lens body for video and had no lens to speak of, Micro 4/3 would never be my choice at all. PERIOD.

3/2/2012 4:22:33 AM

Quote :

" I find this very amusing considering you are debating this when the OP (nick's T3i choice) is the undeniable audio expert ITT... Fuck.. the dude has a masters in audio engineering and hands down the best audio guru I know. That's why I like working with him. He knows his shit about audio and has some nice audio toys to boot. Even Ronny knows quite a bit since he's a video pro for the last 4+ years."

Yes, I know Nick. We have shot together before.

Video pro means you make money shooting video? Then I've had nearly 8 years on that.

Quote :

"Canon EF lens mount is much much more adaptable to use a wider array of lenses"

WRONG The flange distance of the EF mount is shorter than most. Nikon's F-mount is far more adaptable, but a mirrorless is even more adaptable than that.


Yea yea, your Canon is good, but the point you picked on was that the GH2 has inferior video quality. This is simply not the case. Go look at some resolution tests, some moire tests and see which one resolves more detail. http://www.eoshd.com/content/6681/shootout-reveals-panasonic-gh2-resolution-at-canon-c300-level

Sensor size will not always mean better in low light. Some even say that the GH2 at ISO 6400 is absolutely comparable to the 5dmk2, check EOShd.com, or DVXuser.com, or Personal-views.com.

Really sensor size is about potential resolution and focal length. Full frame is just a digital copy of celluloid.

I have the T2i and think its a great camera, but the GH2 is better for video.

"blah blah blah, my canon is better.."

"OK."



[Edited on March 2, 2012 at 8:20 AM. Reason : ..]

3/2/2012 7:56:53 AM

attn people in this thread:



...

carry on

3/2/2012 10:13:23 AM

I didn't say that the GH2 had inferior video quality. Read again.

And sensor size is still important for lower signal to noise ratio, no matter how you put it. I wasn't even hinting on the different format, depth of field and shit; your the one who brought that up and I really don't care about shooting on different format sensor's (I do it all the time). But the video processor and noise filter can only do so much. The T3i sensor tech isn't that much older than that of the GH2 and its only 225mm^2 compared to 329mm^2, but yeah, in most situations (at least the samples I've seen, and I haven't seen shit so my word is completely worthless and "unscientific") its going to be pretty much the same. Again, stock for stock.

And I highly doubt the GH2 will perform the same as the 5d mkII sensor in low light situations. Show me some proof cause I honestly am not motivated in any regards, because like I said before, you just have to know the limitations of your system and work with it and around it. Your system will dictate your shooting styles and what you are able to capture. Shit, I've shot next to big name still photog's who outclass me when they shoot with p&s against my setup, because they know the limitations of the p&s. It's all about the dummy behind the camera that matters. And as the great Arnold Newman once said "photography is 1% talent and 99% moving furniture."

And I would agree, the Nikon F-mount is much more adaptable than canon, but I wasn't comparing nikon vs canon. I was comparing the 4/3 to the Canon system. Stock for stock with no adapters, mods or anything.

As for the blog video post, just like the dude said, lots of variables and even himself saying he couldn't get critical focus on some camera's with the lens. It really looked like a big clusterfuck of a test anyhow, interesting yes, but even he said to take the video review with a grain of salt.

For a Zeiss 35mm f/1.4, the video for the Canon 7D just looks completely out of focus. And I've shot with Zeiss lenses before. I get sharper videos then that and looks like he just completely missed focus or needs to adjust the micro lens with a non-canon lens (canon bodies come with micro lens profiles already installed for L class lens). With any of my Canon lens, the 5d mkII looks as sharp as the GH2, but that's just with on my experiences and what I've shot with it. I've never handled the GH2.

Don't get me wrong, the GH2 looks fantastic, but fuck spending $1000 for it. If it was $500 or less, then it would be more enticing. Specially when its Nick's money and he's going to be using my canon lenses 99% of the time. If he didn't have access to my lenses, then maybe it would be on the table for his purchasing decision, but then again, we aren't making Spielberg quality films, shooting on reds, have large budgets or making 100k+ a year...



And no, making money shooting video doesn't make you a "pro". Its more about how you conduct yourself professionally and how involved you are in your industry. Anyone with a camera could pick it up, shoot some shit, sell it to random people for $5 and make some money; then equivocate themselves as being "professional" because they make a "living" shooting shit. Probably an old way of thinking and probably pretty stupid, but I'm very hesitant/conservative at throwing the word "pro" around in dealing with these matters. Even Nick hates this idea and we've had some interesting arguments over this.

Honestly, I don't even consider myself as a pro, even though I went to school for photography and know a shit ton of shit; done a lot of shit. I see someone like Ronny who does it day in, day out, works with top quality $70k+ camera systems for broadcasting as a pro in his respective field of PJ work. Not someone like you or I who just "dabble" as an advanced user then dick around and argue pointless shit about some obscure detail or technical fact that only camera operators would care about. Then get paid every once in a while. The director of photography wouldn't give a rats ass about it, as long as they got the angle, the shot and its decently sharp for their workflow.

Shit, a number of those big name photog's aren't even technical at all. They just point, tell their assistants what they want and tell them to just do it. The photog just describes the painting and they setup the light to do it. It's almost frightening of how someone as high as Annie Leibovitz can't operate her digital medium format camera besides pushing the PHD button or set her expensive profoto's up without help. But then again, she doesn't have to know how to use the system to the T, just know what the system is capable of shooting.

It's all about the creativity, not the technically abilities of how these people make the big bucks.

3/2/2012 10:22:29 AM

^^haha

To each their own...

I agree that alot of DPs aren't technical, but many are.

Quote :

"Not someone like you or I who just "dabble" as an advanced user then dick around and argue pointless shit about some obscure detail or technical fact that only camera operators would care about"

Agreed, I don't make my living off of it, but I have shot music videos, commercials and short films over the years. I consider myself a professional in all of my work. Computers just happen to pay more so I lean towards billable hours from that work.

I'm glad Nick got the T3i so he can share your L glass.

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"For a Zeiss 35mm f/1.4, the video for the Canon 7D just looks completely out of focus"

Its a crop of the video frame to show resolved detail. If not much detail was resolved, its going to look blurry. Philip Bloom knows how to focus a lens.

If the end result is youtube, who cares. The Canons even look great on the big screen, but like you said, you must know the limits of your tools.

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"And I would agree, the Nikon F-mount is much more adaptable than canon, but I wasn't comparing nikon vs canon. I was comparing the 4/3 to the Canon system. Stock for stock with no adapters, mods or anything. "

Without adapters all you could put on an EF mount is EF lenses. So you are saying that the Canon system has more glass available in EF mount then m43 mount lenses? Since m43 has only been around for a couple of years, is that really surprising? My point was, that without a mirror, you can match the flange distance of ever-so-many lens systems, thus making nearly any lens adaptable to the m43 system.

Why can't we be friends?

3/2/2012 10:44:43 AM

Quote :

"Agreed, I don't make my living off of it, but I have shot music videos, commercials and short films over the years. I consider myself a professional in all of my work"

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "your" not a professional or your work isn't professional.

My definition for what classifies a person as a professional is much more strict in my view point because the photog's I've worked with or assisted in the past always hated the idea of all of these "kids" who pick up cheap DSLR's, sell their "pro" photos on commercial royalty free websites for $1 and just kill the market. So I come with a lot of resentment from the older guys and I felt as though I have to work 120% more to prove myself to them and to myself that I am in fact a pro. Even I don't feel like I've achieved this self appointed moving target that always changes in the next level of production, technical and creative abilities.

I will act professionally when I do photo or video gigs, do a professional job and provide professional quality images, as well as practice industry standard procedures for the output I'm trying to achieve or beat it, but I still don't feel like I've made it to classify myself as a "pro". It's probably more psychological stipulations on my own-self than anything and it does push me to attempt to be better and do bigger things; basically one-up my own-self until I get to the point of where I can't improve anymore.

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"Its a crop of the video frame to show resolved detail. If not much detail was resolved, its going to look blurry. Philip Bloom knows how to focus a lens. "

The photo that he links is the 1:1 ratio, not a blow up. And it looks blurry as hell. The Circles of Confusion are just a dead give away that its not a completely in focus image. Watch the video again, he says it a couple times how on some camera's he couldn't tell if the focus was good or not. Although he made no mention with the 7D, but still, I've seen way sharper video images at 1:1 than that, specially with a sharp Zeiss lens that's been properly calibrated for the body.

That's why you do the ISO 12233 sharpness test in a lab controlled setting to make sure you are getting the correct amount of lens resolution for your sensor.


And I wouldn't mind testing out the GH2 to play around with, but since I already own canon systems and very comfortable with shooting stills and video for the output I require, its hard to justify spending $1000 for such a toy.



Honestly, the only thing that would excite me right now for DSLR's would either be a low megapixel camera specifically made for video capture using a full frame sensor with loads of features (like RED's) OR a camera body that records above 1080p resolutions for a sensible price point. I think its fucked up that RED's scarlet is priced at close to 12 grand for the body when they told us 3 years ago that they were going to make it around 3k for the body only... Gheez... missed the ball on that and 2 years late.

[Edited on March 2, 2012 at 11:50 AM. Reason : ]

3/2/2012 11:43:44 AM

I had left my D3100 at my buddy's house on accident and the next night it was stolen at his birthday party, so I'm in the market for a new camera. Any suggestions for a comparable used camera (preferably Nikon, 'cause I still have a 55-200 lens)? Also, anyone trying to get rid of one?

3/2/2012 11:46:30 AM

girls! girls!

you're both wrong and you're both right!
now kiss and make up


and then acknowledge that the best choice would be a Red
or for those of us that can't spend the cost of a luxury car on a camera, a Sony XDcam (just the price of a compact car)

3/2/2012 1:17:12 PM

I will not accept anything less than the Hubble!

3/2/2012 1:20:31 PM

a lot of shooting for clients is pandering too

this is one reason why I like the 5D

producers (who aren't gear heads) have heard of it

same with the Red

and to a lesser extent some Panasonic and Sony products
but they don't hold the same "hip" cachet as the Red and the 5D

3/2/2012 1:23:08 PM

The best choice is Alexa not Red, sheesh.

3/2/2012 1:50:06 PM

I've never actually touched an Alexa

shit the only thing from ARRI I ever get to touch is a light kit

I worked with a Red in Cary on a training video for some fitness product
got to meet some of the ladies on our World Cup soccer team

3/2/2012 2:00:59 PM

JBaz you ruin every fucking thread you post in

god damn are you a worthless poster

3/2/2012 2:16:06 PM

just made this my new Facebook timeline cover photo thing, hope you don't mind!

love your stuff Ronny for real, keep it up!

3/2/2012 2:55:47 PM

Quote :

"I've never actually touched an Alexa shit the only thing from ARRI I ever get to touch is a light kit I worked with a Red in Cary on a training video for some fitness product got to meet some of the ladies on our World Cup soccer team "

I've never used Alexa or Red

but from what I understand, Alexa is an actually usable camera made by a company that makes cameras, whereas Red is made by a sunglasses entrepreneur(I think?), features inscrutable menus necessary for camera function, and has ridiculous design faults.

[Edited on March 2, 2012 at 3:28 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2012 3:26:21 PM