the answer's still death

7/22/2005 7:44:02 PM

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"Do you mean for believers, or for those whose experiences form the basis of religions?"

Both.

7/22/2005 10:21:00 PM

Ancient cultures used honey for many things. Among those, they fermented it to produce an alcoholic drink (mead), and they preserved things in it--everything from dead bodies to mushrooms. (honey-based psychadelic mushroom "candy" is still available from your local hippie dealer)


This is an early (I mean early,) god that resembles a bee--the producers of honey. Notice the mushrooms clinched in the god's hands and adorning the god's body......

(for more information, read Food of the Gods by Terence McKenna)

7/23/2005 12:35:16 AM

those look like trees to me

7/23/2005 12:37:19 AM

They look like penis heads to me.

7/23/2005 7:19:23 PM

well then we know what's on your mind

7/23/2005 11:29:42 PM

Krith, you're thuch a thilly goothe.

7/24/2005 12:53:07 AM

They come from Planet Religonia.

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7/25/2005 1:03:00 AM

i was going to invite you to the pants party

7/25/2005 9:02:43 AM

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=336030

7/25/2005 12:35:24 PM

What culture produced this? I only ask because it doesn't look very old at all and wasn't from any sort of academic source.

[Edited on July 25, 2005 at 12:46 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2005 12:45:06 PM

^The bee-faced mushroom shaman of Tassili-n-Ajjer.

You're right--that particular image is not old. It is a drawing by Kat Harrison-McKenna from the book Psilocybin: The Magic Mushroom Grower's Guide (1986) by O. T. Oss and O. N. Oeric (pseudonames for Terance and Dennis McKenna--his first book, I believe...) From the original The Rock Paintings of the Tassili (1963) by Jean-Dominique Lajoux.


(sorry for the late response.... I've been out of town.)

10/1/2005 6:57:15 PM

So how scientific can a book be that was written by a guy who is more-than-likely always hallucinating?

Call me crazy, but that doesn't sound logical.

But, then again, I'm not using mushrooms, so I could be mistaken.

10/1/2005 8:43:04 PM

you know i thought this was another penzoate thread.

10/1/2005 9:28:37 PM

well u see,

the existence of religion is from God. He sent messages down thru prophets . Prophets were given different religions for example judiasm, christianty, islam , and many more before them.

or religion could be man made. if the prophets messages did not get to these people, probably they started making up their own stuff to beleive in something in order to reach a goal.

10/2/2005 1:41:39 AM

^^^ Pretty fucking scientific.

10/2/2005 1:29:31 PM

Religions are the result of misinterpretation of real paranormal forces. Somebody has a crazy theory about it, and the crowd follows.

10/2/2005 1:33:26 PM

^ but you cant really say that about all religions.

what about the existence of miracles? for some people, it strengthened their belief, and for others they chose to deny.

we all have alot to learn, of these 'paranormal forces'. alot science will never understand.

10/2/2005 1:59:05 PM

am i the only one who thinks this is mostly obvious and not so interesting?

10/2/2005 2:47:26 PM

I think it is mostly obvious but very interesting.

10/2/2005 3:11:53 PM

Some very strange things happen. Some call them miracles. Most are made up by confused people and written down. But just because somebody writes a convincing story that includes these "miracles" doesnt make the story true. I've seen science-fiction that is more convincing than most religious books.

10/2/2005 4:40:46 PM

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"Where Do Religons Come From? "

The Bible, duh.

10/2/2005 4:56:09 PM

let me guess, you think shit comes from the toilet

10/2/2005 5:05:34 PM

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"Where Do Religons Come From? "

necessity

10/2/2005 10:12:36 PM

Well if you believe the bible...Adam (the father of all humanity) talked with God. He got cast out of his presence and started having children. He then passed on all his knowledge of God to them and his children to their children etc.

Then it turns into the game where you wisper something in someone's ear and by the time you get to the end of the line the original message has totally changed. Hence the many religions. So the question then becomes whose religion did the better job of passing down the truth from one generation to the other and which got side tracked.

Of course the whole Adam thing could have come from one of the side tracks. In which case my point just collapsed on its own weight.

10/2/2005 10:24:05 PM

Religion is only necessary if you're an idiot. A smart person would adapt to god's existance or nonexistance, whichever is true.

10/2/2005 11:24:48 PM

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"what about the existence of miracles? for some people, it strengthened their belief, and for others they chose to deny. we all have alot to learn, of these 'paranormal forces'. alot science will never understand."

What about miracles? All religions claim to have miracles, so either all the gods are in on some kind of sick joke against humanity, the one God is pulling some sick joke against humanity, or the people that claim miracles are off their rocker.

10/2/2005 11:29:48 PM

A change of perspective can kill ignorance...
Pretend you live 1000 years ago. Modern technology looks like MIRACLES to you. Therefore Bill Gates is god.
See the flaws of faith now?

10/2/2005 11:32:01 PM

^ Are you saying Jesus was an alien?

10/2/2005 11:59:32 PM

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"See the flaws of faith now?"

haha....no??

10/3/2005 12:00:52 AM

I said nothing about aliens, but that is more likely than jesus is god.

10/3/2005 2:48:31 PM

The flaws of faith, trikk311, are the flaws of assuming about things you do not have enough experience (and possibly intelligence) to understand.

God is said to be infinitely, or at least a million times, smarter than you.
If you make assumptions about god, whatever the hell that is, then you will be more wrong than a person who lived 1000 years ago who makes assumptions about today (his future in 1000 years).
How well can you predict the future in the year 3000? Or even 2020? If you dont think you're ignorant about the true nature of the universe, that just adds to your ignorance. We can not verify with even 1% certainty the claims of any religious book.

10/3/2005 2:52:38 PM

bttt

12/26/2005 1:14:28 AM

i read this book "Chariot of the gods" that pretty much stated that aliens picked out homo sapiens and manipulated them in such a way to create their rappid brain growth. And I guess as far as this arguement goes would connect to the formation of religions to expalin the aliens.

pretty intresting and they had alot of info to back it up.

12/26/2005 2:09:39 AM

^ That's a more valid theory that Young-Earth Creationism at least.

12/26/2005 2:28:58 AM

well, you see, when a mommy religion and a daddy religion love each other very much...

12/26/2005 10:57:39 AM

12/26/2005 3:51:01 PM

theres a lot of damn hippy bs in here

12/26/2005 3:55:08 PM

johnhgoth

12/26/2005 6:54:35 PM

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on point with how the Vedas were written

12/26/2005 7:11:15 PM

Religion (As we know it today) may very well have come from the use of naturally occuring hallucinogenic drugs.

^^^^ Amanita's suck. P. Cubensis, P. Cyanescens, Copelandia Cyanescens, P. Azurescens, are the real deal (Psilocybin containing).

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"^ Are you saying Jesus was an alien?"

Yeah, he was. But then again so are you...

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"So how scientific can a book be that was written by a guy who is more-than-likely always hallucinating? Call me crazy, but that doesn't sound logical. But, then again, I'm not using mushrooms, so I could be mistaken."

Very few people regularly use hallucinogens. Also note that he probably wrote this after his experiences, not during...

DG's got it:

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"I wouldn't claim that religion exists because of psychedelics. I just think that alot of the ideas and cult-like behaviors associated with modern religions stem from the mushroom rituals that have now been forgotten"

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 10:39 AM. Reason : teonánacatl]

12/27/2005 10:17:20 AM

12/27/2005 1:24:54 PM

this thread is birthing a lot of turrists...

12/27/2005 1:25:30 PM

Amanitas might not be the most potent things in the world, but they're certainly the best distributed. After all, the question is where do religions come from, not where should they have come from.

12/27/2005 2:03:17 PM

There are over 180 different species of psilocybian mushrooms in the world. They occur on every continent with the exception of Antartica I believe.

I think perhaps different regions of the world experimented with different fungi, but I don't necessarily believe that Amanita's were first. I also think it is highly likely that both psilocybian and amanitian fungus were used and not necessarily one or the other.


Anyways, it's not that hard to imagine that people might have considered these plants and fungi to be gifts from god. I'm pretty sure we've found artifacts from as far back as 5000BC blatantly documenting their use.

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 2:25 PM. Reason : ]

12/27/2005 2:16:29 PM

Ok, couldn't help but reading your post. I think that religion comes from man's search recognition of forces larger than himself at work. Over the years there have been lots of gods and goddesses covering things that people value sometimes these are abstracts the fertility god or concrete conceptions a specific person such as Venus, goddess of beauty. While you mention some religions that were probably fostered by drug use not all where, and some started off as nature worship and digressed into drug worship. The most impressive I have seen was in Honduras looking at the Mayan culture, it orginally started off as an agricultural society so the temples from that time period are mostly covered in plants and animals of various types. Then, Copan became the drug/religous center of the region and the temples look like something out of a 1960's hippie love shack, swirling colors, etc. The Mayan Culture was then decimated by the Aztecs and the temples took on rough geometric shapes with the little trails down the sides so that the blood from the sacrifices wouldn't get in the way of killing people. Then the spanish came. All I'm saying is, religion is often a complicated, variable thing. But most of us whatever our creed feel something if we take a day off to go hiking in the wilderness and climb a mountain to look out. A sense of wonder, a sense of how small we truly are in the universe. And yes, it's easy to forget in a city surrounded by concrete how small we are. Each of us spends so much time forgetting how little we are.

12/30/2005 11:27:41 PM

Just to comment on this going from "Nature Worship" to "Drug Worship" crap..

Nobody ever worshiped a drug that I know of. Those cultures thought the plants/fungi were gifts from gods, and if you are religious then I'd hope you're of the same opinion. They are natural, they occur on this planet and have occured long before humans I'd imagine. The fact that they are illegal is asinine. As Bill Hicks put it, it's like saying god made a mistake.

1/1/2006 1:42:55 AM