it happened after all the republicans got togethor and poured mercury into the waterways

8/20/2005 7:48:47 PM

Well all that mercury was just sitting around going to waste, we had to do something with it.

8/20/2005 7:52:11 PM

you could have played with it in your hands
its fun

i wish we could still do that, god damn liberals scared of getting cancer

8/20/2005 8:18:10 PM

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"I ask you, what has yours side ever contributed besides war"

i think we FOUNDED THIS FUCKING COUNTRY, for one... seems pretty conservative to tell an overbearing dictator to fuck off and leave us alone... AND, if you want to argue that it was a money thing, conservatives aint too high on taxes either...

8/21/2005 5:38:59 AM

now, we all know we can attack him by pointing out they were all revolutionaries, which is about as left-wing as can be, because a conservative wishes to keep the status quo. I think he's trying to say the founding fathers would be conservative if they were alive today.

but please, remember the context

[Edited on August 21, 2005 at 8:40 AM. Reason : .]

8/21/2005 8:39:30 AM

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"chembob: which is about as left-wing as can be, because a conservative wishes to keep the status quo"

awwww, someone's taking Poli Sci 101 and wants to use the classic meanings of conservative and liberal in a debate. How cute!

So tell me again, who's the party of the status quo nowadays?

8/21/2005 10:12:23 AM

$10 says he's thinking "toga?"

8/21/2005 12:23:01 PM

Quote :

"but please, remember the context"

actually I am remembering the context: taxes and gov't oppression. both are things conservatives hate. conservatives don't like the status quo IF IT FUCKING SUCKS

8/21/2005 12:25:28 PM

oh no, taxes and gov't oppression are so weighty that Joe Republican will throw tea into boston harbor. and actually conservatives/Republicans who don't like the status quo are what we call reactionaries.

and TCD, I don't want to use the definitions I learned in Poli Sci 201 last year, I feel I have to use them correctly. but I myself am a populist. aaronburro is giving a bad name to conservatism, however, or maybe just an idiot altogether - he just blathers on so much, I can't tell.

8/21/2005 12:58:08 PM

so you would say that conservatives don't really have specific political tendencies. you'd say that they are nothing more than OMFG DONT CHANGE A GOD DAMNED THING!!! thank you. you are now the dumbest person in the soapbox. and i am including salisburyboy

8/21/2005 1:02:41 PM

actually, wishing to keep things pretty much the same is a polical tendency. of course, if things change, they'll react to change things back to the way they were

also, this one of your other problems:

8/21/2005 1:12:12 PM

i really wish I could boil every political party down into one simple statement. it would really make everything so great

8/21/2005 1:21:12 PM

i didn't equate political tendencies with a political party, you ass

8/21/2005 1:22:34 PM

philosophy, then. still the same difference, dumbass.

but anyway, tell me this: how is throwing off a gov't that you've been a part of for 200 years maintaining the status quo? how is ending slavery maintaining the status quo? how is changing social security maintaining the status quo? how is ending the income tax maintaining the status quo?

8/21/2005 1:25:59 PM

it's not if you've been alive since Washington

but I have to get lunch

8/21/2005 1:30:21 PM

aka i won.

8/21/2005 1:33:49 PM

I enjoy how aaronburro has the most primative understanding of the revolutionary war. OMG IT WAS BECAUSE OF TAXES.

Quote :

"but anyway, tell me this: how is throwing off a gov't that you've been a part of for 200 years maintaining the status quo? how is ending slavery maintaining the status quo?"

hate to tell you this kid, but it was liberals that abolished slavery. Not the conservatives. You see, the democrats until Tafts administration were the conservatives, and the republicans were the progressives.

Oh and the revolutionary war mayhaps been a convservative revolution, but it was still a fucking revolution. Yes, some of the individuals were conservatives, but at the same time many of the individuals were raging liberals.

[Edited on August 21, 2005 at 2:09 PM. Reason : .]

8/21/2005 2:07:24 PM

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"nutsmackr: You see, the democrats until Tafts administration were the conservatives, and the republicans were the progressives."

So no one's answering the question: what does that make the Democrats now?

(beyond "hopelessly rudderless and out of power" of course )

[Edited on August 21, 2005 at 3:27 PM. Reason : ---]

8/21/2005 3:27:04 PM

i don't give a fuck about the democrats. They have no guiding light. Greens nukka. That be where we at.

8/21/2005 3:27:58 PM

OK so what exactly are the Greens now? Surely you don't consider them "progressive" do you?

8/21/2005 3:42:38 PM

The Greens might as well be the fucking lollipop guild.

8/21/2005 3:46:15 PM

we are extemely progressive

we may be the lollipop guild, but at least we have a guiding light. The democrats have no direction and the Republicans might as well change their party platform to "We love George Bush."

8/21/2005 3:53:34 PM

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"nutsmackr: we are extemely progressive"

so what's with the unflagging loyalty to all the failing social engineering programs that are 30-50 years old? sounds pretty "OMF we must defend the status quo!"-ish to me...

8/21/2005 4:32:06 PM

Quote :

"The Greens might as well be the fucking lollipop guild."

8/21/2005 4:43:20 PM

That is a good point TGD has there...

8/21/2005 8:44:41 PM

i seriously was just going to lunch

didn't get a chance to get back here

glad aaronburro got pwnt

8/21/2005 10:35:50 PM

I like how now we're judging political parties by whether or not you can make soap opera tie-ins to them.

8/22/2005 2:42:56 AM

^^ if by "getting pwnt" you mean "smackr addressed only one of my points and then strawman-ed the rest" then OK.

8/22/2005 7:57:05 AM

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"i think we FOUNDED THIS FUCKING COUNTRY, for one... seems pretty conservative to tell an overbearing dictator to fuck off and leave us alone... AND, if you want to argue that it was a money thing, conservatives aint too high on taxes either..."

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... AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH... HAHAHAHA

HA!

ahaha

yeah, revolution is a conservative principle

8/22/2005 3:59:11 PM

exactly what I said, right aaronburro?

8/22/2005 4:25:54 PM

revolution is a principle of oppressed people

it's beyond the sphere of conservative vs. liberal

8/22/2005 4:28:41 PM

I tend to think of myself as fairly conservative and I am all about the motherfucking revolution. I can't wait for the shit to hit the fan.

8/22/2005 4:41:48 PM

OMG CONSERVATIVE REVOLUTION! MOVE FORWARD FOR THE WEALTHY IN THE NAME OF CHAIRMAN REAGAN!

[Edited on August 22, 2005 at 5:08 PM. Reason : .]

8/22/2005 5:04:47 PM

When it comes, rich white people will be the first ones I shoot.

I want equality of means. It appears to me obvious that acheiving that end through shifting government programs could take forever, or at least a very long time.

So if the only way to acheive it is through measured revolution, maybe we can talk.

[Edited on August 22, 2005 at 5:15 PM. Reason : ]

8/22/2005 5:12:41 PM

Quote :

"GrumpyGOP: I tend to think of myself as fairly conservative"

Quote :

"GrumpyGOP: I want equality of means."

8/22/2005 5:36:11 PM

i'm a classic conservative... i want small government, power to the states, low taxes, and most of all, those goddamn redcoats out of my house

8/22/2005 5:51:47 PM

Explain yourself, TGD.

[Edited on August 22, 2005 at 8:21 PM. Reason : I think "means" is getting used wrong or understood wrong]

8/22/2005 8:05:31 PM

^
I think you're right, I'm probably just taking you wrong. I take it in the Marxist says, means <=> wealth.

I'm for equality of opportunity, I don't care if someone's got more than I do.

8/22/2005 11:35:49 PM

equal opportunity? Is that where a machine creates its own power?

8/23/2005 7:58:46 AM

equal opportunity will never exist, and probably shouldn't exist

8/23/2005 11:55:32 AM

[From each according to his ability, to each according to his need! w00t!!1]

8/23/2005 12:53:12 PM

my best friend in response to this and my chiding him for taking advantadge of a gov't subsidized public higher education system (masters program @ UF)

responded by saying

"my education is subsidized the same way toyota subsidizes cars"

he then explained that he is taking loans to pay for the school and he'll be paying those loans back

i don't have the heart to tell him his in-state tuition is only like 30-40% of what his education actually costs

i do have the heart to tell him he is a dumbass

8/23/2005 1:11:45 PM

Only an idiot refuses free money.

That said, we hope that taking advantage of the system while at the same time condemning it will assault the sensibilities of voters enough to either eliminate the programs ("ungrateful swine are making chimps out of us, put a stop to it!") or encourage the collapse of the system ("We're out of money, the people are in revolt, the governor has been murdered by the tax-payers!").

8/23/2005 1:26:14 PM

Quote :

"i'm glad the government run UL keeps my electronics stuff safe"

UL isn't run by the government

Quote :

"Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL) is an independent, not-for-profit product-safety testing and certification organization. We have tested products for public safety for more than a century."

Note that is from their web site, http://www.ul.com, not .gov. I am the self-proclaimed official TWW UL expert...

[Edited on August 23, 2005 at 5:16 PM. Reason : .]

8/23/2005 5:16:30 PM

^
I think "government run" was intended as sarcasm, to illustrate that private groups can do some of the same things as the government regulations from pryderi's chain email

[Edited on August 23, 2005 at 6:27 PM. Reason : ---]

8/23/2005 6:27:23 PM

yes that was sarcasm
i thought it was pretty obvious

also, i think it made my point very well

[Edited on August 23, 2005 at 6:28 PM. Reason : .]

8/23/2005 6:28:34 PM

Quote :

"I'm for equality of opportunity, I don't care if someone's got more than I do."

That's what I'm talking about. "Means," in this case, equates roughly to "tools" or "opportunities."

Everyone should have an equal starting shot at everything. Now, from the time they first get into school, that shot is there's to lose or to grow. That's their own fucking business.

8/23/2005 8:21:53 PM

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"i'm a classic conservative... i want small government, power to the states, low taxes, and most of all, those goddamn redcoats out of my house"

If that's true, I hope you did not vote for Bush!

8/23/2005 10:41:11 PM

actually i did

gas prices and crazy spending aside, i like what he's doing

and in 5 years in office, not one damn redcoat has been in my house. that's a statistic i like.

8/24/2005 4:59:55 AM

Quote :

"and in 5 years in office, not one damn redcoat has been in my house. that's a statistic i like"

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8/24/2005 8:01:48 AM