look at the 'h'

those are the same h's

9/15/2005 2:26:37 AM

2.05

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 2:26 AM. Reason : ]

9/15/2005 2:26:45 AM

http://www.handwriting.org/main/samples/gwbush.htm

well thats an I

9/15/2005 2:26:53 AM

9/15/2005 2:27:25 AM

The pressure on the "o" in possible is also very similar to where the pressure is applied on the "o" in the first "o" in "BATHROOM".

9/15/2005 2:27:34 AM

or he could have had to pee. I am sure he was checking on the right time to go. if he got up an dleft during the mtg the press would have written a diff story. this is just one of may reasons several of the news today sucks............

9/15/2005 2:28:22 AM

Yeah, I think Bush wrote the entire thing now. The I in "MI" in the letter posted is the same as the "I" in the first lines.

It's weird still though he changes cases like that... maybe it's a secret code

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 2:29 AM. Reason : ]

9/15/2005 2:28:55 AM

-he does indeed alternate cursive capital I's, very strange

-the olongated t, and again, the h is the same


conclusive.

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 2:29 AM. Reason : - ]

9/15/2005 2:29:11 AM

This is kind of sad.

9/15/2005 2:33:05 AM

christ they both write like 6th graders

9/15/2005 2:36:00 AM

wow.

9/15/2005 2:47:28 AM

PeeGate

9/15/2005 2:55:31 AM

dude, guys, seriously

i know you like to debate and shit

but this is silly


that's still great, though

9/15/2005 7:19:42 AM

haha. ^ and moron sum this up.

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"This is kind of sad."

however, i'm rofl reading this.

gotta go, gotta go, gotta go right now
gotta go, gotta go, gotta go

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 8:59 AM. Reason : I gotta go]

9/15/2005 8:51:14 AM

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"Also, the handwriting on "Is this possible?" strikes me as being very different from the rest. Look at it -- the "I" in "Is" looks like it's in script, as opposed to the first two, which are consistently printed."

for what its worth, I too have a tendency to mix cursive and regular lettering, as well. that in itself is not shocking.

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"look at the ' t-h ' in the upper lines and lower lines. its a match. lower case, and identical. hes gotta pee. and he writes in the most fucked up manner ive ever seen."

that only proves that the first and last lines were written by the same person. It says nothing about those in the middle with respect to the those on the outside.

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"if someone can write a cursive I in 'is' and not a cursive s then that same person can write a cursive I and a non-cursive I"

i dunno... I don't remember how to write a cursive I, much less a J. Thus, writing a cursive letter at one place is not indicative of being able to or being likely to write any cursive letter at any position in a word.

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"youve made my point. look at the s. its NOT a cursive s. yet you claim the I is? no way. who makes a cursive I but not a cursive s?"

even better, look at that memo you posted, and look at the word "understand." what do you see? "under" is cursive, the s and t aren't, and the "and" is. Interesting that, not only does dubya alternate IN a word, but also that he does so with the same letter that you use in another "memo" to claim he doesn't alternate...

also, looking at MI in that other memo is not completely effective, as it is an abbreviation, and a capitalized one at that. Thus, it can't be compared to capitalized normal writing.

To me, the odd thing about this note is why he chooses to go capital on the second two lines and not the first, fourth and fifth. Also, the darkness of the second two lines is inconsistent with the other lines... Finally, note that in his little note, he capitalized a single I TWICE, which is inconsistent with his other memo, where every instance of the word "I" is cursive. that leads me to think: PHOTOSHOP!

9/15/2005 9:13:56 AM

I had no idea tww had its own forensics team.

9/15/2005 9:19:07 AM

9/15/2005 9:22:44 AM

ahahah both this picture and thread crack me up

9/15/2005 9:26:49 AM

I'm glad my taking a piss break isn't international news.

9/15/2005 9:28:38 AM

photochop? are you kidding. from the AP? not very likely.

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"he darkness of the second two lines is inconsistent with the other lines... Finally, note that in his little note, he capitalized a single I TWICE, which is inconsistent with his other memo, where every instance of the word "I" is cursive."

I do that. sometimes i make some i's cap and others not. see.

also, the darkness thing is nothing. it 'looks' legit.

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 9:44 AM. Reason : -]

9/15/2005 9:41:50 AM

Why is he asking for anyone's permission to go to the bathroom???

9/15/2005 10:00:54 AM

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"which is inconsistent with his other memo, where every instance of the word "I" is cursive"

the other memo has a regular I too

9/15/2005 10:05:12 AM

i still say that writing is much too dark for a pencil

9/15/2005 10:23:25 AM

looks normal to me

9/15/2005 10:27:18 AM

i mean, this is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO important

i thought bush was too dumb to even know how to pee

9/15/2005 12:51:53 PM

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"photochop? are you kidding. from the AP? not very likely"

Wasn't there a big deal over a fake photo of Edwards on the AP during the last election campaign?

9/15/2005 1:08:14 PM

if he was holding meatwad, that wasn't real

9/15/2005 1:09:09 PM

9/15/2005 2:20:40 PM

"what a president" ...notice the sarcasm!!

9/15/2005 2:32:08 PM

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"the other memo has a regular I too"

clearly reading has failed you, when I stated WHY that 'I" was different, namely that it was not BY ITSFUCKINGSELF.

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"I do that. sometimes i make some i's cap and others not. see. "

while that argument might hold weight if we were looking at a manuscript of considerable size, such that dubya was bound to throw a lone capitalized block I at some point, it doesn't hold here. In the longer memo about the 2000 election, note how many times he writes a lone "I." Six times. And not once did he do so in block. Thus, i find it hard to believe that in a note containing less than 15 words, that he would use a lone block I TWICE, much less that he would use it more than a lone cursive I.

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"also, the darkness thing is nothing. it 'looks' legit. "

if by "looks legit" you mean "doesn't at all look legit," then sure. There's nothing legit about a note written in two seemingly different styles. Unless, of course, it was code, and quite frankly, I hope the president has better codewords than "bathroom" that he can use, especially when the press is looking over his shoulder...

9/15/2005 2:45:22 PM

has reuters confirmed or denied its authenticity yet?

9/15/2005 3:39:54 PM

aaronburro -- youre fucking blind if you cannot see that the lower case t-h is is the same in the first and fourth line in the memo. the angle of the connecting line and the shape of the h is quite unique.

it matches that note posted.

its his writting. get over it.

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 4:19 PM. Reason : -]

9/15/2005 4:17:26 PM

Chit Chat?

9/15/2005 4:20:48 PM

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"aaronburro -- youre fucking blind if you cannot see that the lower case t-h is is the same in the first and fourth line in the memo. the angle of the connecting line and the shape of the h is quite unique. "

You have heard of this thing called "photoshop," right? Where I don't have to cover up the whole fucking photo, right? Where I can replace two lines of text in the middle of a memo, right?

Or what about this crazy notion that dubya wrote the first line and the fourth line, but not the rest? And that the middle two lines, which are MUCH FUCKING DARKER THAN THE LINES AROUND THEM, were photoshopped in...

do you follow? If I were holding the god damned note in my hand, then I would KNOW that
"MAY NEED
A BATHROOM"
was truly on the note. But that still wouldn't prove that dubya wrote
"MAY NEED
A BATHROOM",
even if the first and fourth lines match. I pray to GOD that you are never a handwriting analyst, what with your poor logic skills showing on that one...

9/15/2005 5:16:56 PM

THE 7IBERAL PHOTOSHOPPED THE PREZADENT!111

9/15/2005 6:00:30 PM

well, you gotta wonder why the fuck dubya writing a note is really all that important. The only thing crazier than that is that they zoomed in on the fucking note. Who gives a shit what dubya is writing?


Unless, of course, he is writing something that we can make fun of!

9/15/2005 6:13:46 PM

it boggles me that people are like "you gotta wonder why the fuck dubya writing a note is really all that important" and then you have people like "OMG TEH NOTE IS TEH HAXX0R!!!1"

ITS JUST SOMETHING TO CHUCKLE ABOUT AND MOVE ON, LIKE WATERGATE

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 6:51 PM. Reason : THERE, IS THAT BETTER]

9/15/2005 6:41:08 PM

^ show me anywhere where I said "who cares that he was writing a note." I DID say "isn't it interesting that the press felt compelled to take a picture of him writing a note." Then, I said "Isn't it also interesting that they felt this so compelling that they felt the need to blow up the note itself..."

9/15/2005 6:49:20 PM

and technically, the note probably isn't "blown up"

the camera that was shot with prolly takes 15+ megapixel RAW images

9/15/2005 6:53:05 PM

I can't say I disagree

9/15/2005 7:25:00 PM

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"and technically, the note probably isn't "blown up""

well, they sure did chose to make a bigger picture of it and focus in on only the note...

9/15/2005 8:27:46 PM

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"Woodfoot: has reuters confirmed or denied its authenticity yet?"

Yes they confirm it's real w/ some Photoshop enhancements.

http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswire/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001137642

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"Reuters Explains Photo Of Bush Bathroom Note September 15, 2005 By Daryl Lang Don't blame the photographer. That's the message from Gary Hershorn, a picture editor for Reuters, about the photo yesterday that shows President George W. Bush writing an all-too-human note during a UN meeting. Bush is shown writing: "I think I may need a bathroom break. Is this possible." The photo, which quickly became fodder for blogs and e-mails among friends, was taken by Rick Wilking, a contract photographer based in Denver who recently covered the flooding in New Orleans. Hershorn, Reuters' news editor for pictures for the Americas, says he's responsible for zooming in on the note and deciding to transmit the photo to Reuters clients. He says Wilking didn't know what the note said when he shot the picture. "I'm so adamant that Rick has nothing to do with this. He was just the guy who pushed the button," Hershorn says. In response to the attention the photo is getting, Reuters' spokeswoman in London released a two-sentence statement about the picture: "The photographer and editors on this story were looking for other angles in their coverage of this event, something that went beyond the stock pictures of talking heads that these kind of forums usually offer. This picture certainly does that." So how did the picture happen? According to Hershorn, Wilking was one of several photographers covering the United Nations Security Council meeting between about 11 and noon yesterday. He was part of a pool stationed on a balcony that faced Bush's back; a group of White House photographers was on a balcony facing the president. Wilking shot about 200 images and sent two memory cards to the press room at the U.N., where Hershorn was working. Hershorn looked at the images on a computer and initially decided not to send any of them. But a few hours later, he started to wonder about a note that Bush was seen writing in three of the pictures. Out of curiosity, he zoomed in to see if he could read it. Once he saw what it said, Hershorn decided the note was interesting and worth publishing. The white parts of the picture were overexposed, so a Reuters processor used Photoshop to burn down the note. This is a standard practice for news photos, Hershorn says, and the picture was not manipulated in any other way. Around 4:30 p.m., Reuters transmitted two versions of the photo, including one that was tightly cropped around the note and Bush's hand. The caption says that Bush was writing the note to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice; Hershorn says Wilking saw Bush write the note and hand the note to Rice. Hershorn says heads of state seldom attend Security Council meetings, and it's possible that Bush was simply asking his secretary of state what the proper protocol was to be excused. Online, some accused Reuters, and the media in general, of being insulting or juvenile. A letter writer to Editor & Publisher wrote, "You ought to all be ashamed of yourselves for this stupid trivia and childish focus." It's unclear how widely the picture was published; Hershorn says The (Toronto) Globe and Mail published it but he wasn't sure of any other outlets. Hershorn says he decided to transmit the picture because it was interesting. "There was no malicious intent," he says. "That's not what we do.""

9/15/2005 8:32:14 PM

why the hell does this matter?

9/15/2005 8:36:42 PM

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""There was no malicious intent," he says. "That's not what we do.""

suuuuuuuuuure. What is so bloody interesting about such a note? There's nothing of value there, despite your lame attempt to label it as showing a "human side" to the conference...

9/15/2005 8:40:29 PM

i dont see how its malicious

9/15/2005 9:00:21 PM

i hope he addresses this memo in his speech

this is the scandal of the century

9/15/2005 9:01:24 PM

just one more thing for the "things that make me look funny" wing at the presidential library

again

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"ITS JUST SOMETHING TO CHUCKLE ABOUT AND MOVE ON, LIKE WATERGATE"

9/15/2005 9:18:15 PM

I think I may NEED a BATHroom break?

It's the question mark after break that's the funniest part, really.

9/15/2005 9:43:32 PM