ahahahaha

less than 50% sure is close to 90%

9/30/2005 4:34:58 PM

hold on...hold on...where did you get that full context from, because I got my news from ABC, and YOU KNOW they don't leave anything out

9/30/2005 5:22:25 PM

no, they OBVIOUSLY managed to convey EVERYTHING in the minute or so of time available

9/30/2005 5:29:25 PM

WHY DOES THE CONTEXT MATTER?

HE SAID WHAT HE SAID
AND THEN HE REPHRASED IT

WHY WOULD YOU EVEN DEFEND THIS?

9/30/2005 5:35:21 PM

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"WHY DOES THE CONTEXT MATTER?"

Oh. Good point.

I think you may be on to something.

So you really believe the context of the statements people make don't matter, it only matters that they said such statements.

Like, if I were to say, "It would be good to shoot myself in the head if I want to kill myself."

That would really mean:
"It would be good to shoot myself in the head."
AND/OR
"I want to kill myself."

GOT IT!!! THANKS!!!

9/30/2005 5:40:30 PM

so, you're pretty dumb huh?

i mean, thats a terrific analogy

really, it is



[Edited on September 30, 2005 at 6:08 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2005 6:07:22 PM

I read the context, and he's still saying that having no black people would reduce crime.

It really doesn't matter if he thinks the means to those ends are morally wrong.

He's saying blacks inherently commit more crime. Not poor people who tend to be black, just black people.

9/30/2005 6:15:24 PM

when you reiterate something, it pretty much states that you meant what you said


if i just posted this

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"you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down"

then yes, your analogy would hold a little bit of water
but

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"But I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down. That would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down."

he says doing it would lead to reduced crime rates twice

there is no "context" around that would excuse what he said

9/30/2005 6:18:11 PM

so saying black people commit more crime than white people in the USA is inexcusable?

9/30/2005 6:39:10 PM

if it's not true

9/30/2005 6:42:16 PM

but what if it is?!?!!?

9/30/2005 6:43:11 PM

well then there is nothing wrong with stating the truth.

im just not sure its the truth. i dont know, honestly.

but, he didn't just say "black people commit more crimes" he said if we want less crime would could kill all black people

[Edited on September 30, 2005 at 6:45 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2005 6:44:34 PM

no no....

he said just the babies

9/30/2005 6:45:12 PM

9/30/2005 7:35:40 PM

doesn't look like a criminal to me

9/30/2005 7:36:05 PM

even when given the full context, he's still a racist.

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"while teh L3ft holds rallies in DC to promote aborting blacks."

no, that's just you making up what "teh l3ft" is promoting. No wonder you don't like leftists, your conception of them is completely divorced from reality.

9/30/2005 7:37:41 PM

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"Aborting every white baby will also lower the crime rate"

crime RATE

not crime volume


it would actually increase the crime rate, youd have a higher percent of blacks and thus more crime makers

[Edited on September 30, 2005 at 7:38 PM. Reason : -]

9/30/2005 7:38:14 PM

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"even when given the full context, he's still a racist."

Why?

9/30/2005 7:38:41 PM

^becuase black people are too sensitive

if it sounds racists, he must be

9/30/2005 7:42:15 PM

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"jugband: No wonder you don't like leftists, your conception of them is completely divorced from reality."

9/30/2005 7:44:50 PM

i can sort of see it

i mean, we sure as hell don't know what the crime rate will be among blacks born today and tomorrow

and i'm not even sure if blacks currently commit that much more total crime than other groups

9/30/2005 7:45:02 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/30/D8CUKRH04.html

Bush criticized (in a minimal way) this comment (see article)

So apparently Bush does care about the black fetus, but doesn't care about them once born.





[Edited on September 30, 2005 at 7:49 PM. Reason : _]

9/30/2005 7:47:18 PM

9/30/2005 8:00:50 PM

somebody post that black people... white people... animation

plz?

[Edited on September 30, 2005 at 8:16 PM. Reason : d]

9/30/2005 8:14:27 PM

One out of every 3 Black men is in prison, on parole, or under some form of prison supervision.
http://www.blackcommentator.com/35/35_guest_commentator.html

9/30/2005 8:32:30 PM

The average Black male
Live a third of his life in a jail cell
Cause the world is controlled by the white male
And the people don't never get justice
And the women don't never get respected
And the problems don't never get solved
And the jobs don't never pay enough
So the rent always be late; can you relate?
We livin in a police state

9/30/2005 8:55:00 PM

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"doesn't look like a criminal to me"

eh, give him a few years...

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"there is no "context" around that would excuse what he said"

there's no context that would excuse him saying the TRUTH? wow.

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"It really doesn't matter if he thinks the means to those ends are morally wrong."

actually, yes it does. Because the attack on him is that he is a racist. Yet, if he says that aborting black babies is morally reprehensible, then we must assume that he is not as racist as he is being pointed out to be. Either that, or must assume that he merely says that abortion itself is morally reprehensible. If you assume the latter, then the only other thing to say that he is being racist is him suggesting that blacks commit more crimes. And, quite frankly, there is nothing racist about that assertion, especially if its fucking true.

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"He's saying blacks inherently commit more crime. Not poor people who tend to be black, just black people."

Hey, if its still a majority of blacks that are committing the crimes, then his statement still stands.

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"i think his point was that despite the lack of black people THEY DO HAVE CRIME"

thats great. the speaker was still talking about AMERICA, not ICELAND. so iceland is irrelevant.

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"Too bad you don't know shit about math."

I know enough to know that if you have a weighted average of two averages and you remove all of the samples from the group with the higher average, then your new weighted average will be lower. And I don't even need a PhD to know that.

9/30/2005 10:00:52 PM

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"HE REITERATES THE POINT"

The problem here is that you didn't get his point.

He was using the example to say that "the ends don't justify the means." And the stupid, liberal caucus in congress turned it around to mean exactly the opposite, by quoting him out of context.

This is akin to reading "A Modest Proposal" by Johnathan Swift and taking from it that he seriously wanted us to eat children as a solution to poverty.

The level of intellectual depravity--both in this nation and on this thread--is mind-boggling.

9/30/2005 10:24:25 PM

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""RIALTO, Calif. -- The man at the center of unrest in Los Angeles in 1992 has been arrested. Rodney King has been jailed in Rialto, Calif., for allegedly threatening his daughter and ex-girlfriend. Police said King was arrested Wednesday on suspicion of making criminal threats. He's being held on $25,000 bail." "King is accused of threatening to kill his 23-year-old daughter and her mother after the two got in a fight with King's current girlfriend. All three women live in King's home.""

9/30/2005 10:28:36 PM

ABORT HITLER

9/30/2005 10:30:02 PM

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"2 executives admit guilt in fraud at hedge fund By Greg Farrell, USA TODAY NEW YORK — A charismatic hedge fund manager who had been accused of stealing $300 million from investors over a six-year period pleaded guilty in federal court here Thursday. Sam Israel III, scion of a prominent New Orleans family and founder of Bayou Management, pleaded guilty to three counts of mail fraud, investment-adviser fraud and conspiracy. Daniel Marino, Israel's deputy and the company's chief financial officer, pleaded guilty to the same crimes, along with one count of wire fraud."

9/30/2005 10:31:22 PM

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"Hey, if its still a majority of blacks that are committing the crimes, then his statement still stands."

Except that the crime rate among blacks in the USA has varried a great deal over the years, just like the crime rate of any other group. Though it seems somewhat unlikely given past numbers, perhaps blacks being born today will actually end up being less violent, on average, than other groups being born today.

9/30/2005 10:39:14 PM

You can't solve ALL of your problems with abortions.

Well, yeah, I guess you can.

9/30/2005 10:40:43 PM

Only if you abort anything and everything that moves.

9/30/2005 10:42:20 PM

abort every black baby...? that seriously might solve all of america's problems i say we give it a shot and see what happens... i mean if it doesnt lower crime or anything... i mean hey at least there are less black people, win win situation if you ask me

9/30/2005 10:59:41 PM

Inmates By Race
White: 105,786 (56.8 %)
Black: 74,072 (39.8 %)
Native American: 3,310 (1.8 %)
Asian: 3,047 (1.6 %)

http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp#1 (Federal prisoners)

It would be FAR more useful to kill white babies than black babies, assuming these numbers hold for the next generation or so.

Inmates By Gender
Male: 173,766 (93.3 %)
Female: 12,449 (6.7 %)

We could even kill off men to really reduce the crime rates.


[Edited on September 30, 2005 at 11:14 PM. Reason : 2]

9/30/2005 11:13:02 PM

9/30/2005 11:17:42 PM

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"Except that the crime rate among blacks in the USA has varried a great deal over the years, just like the crime rate of any other group. Though it seems somewhat unlikely given past numbers, perhaps blacks being born today will actually end up being less violent, on average, than other groups being born today."

Thats great. But that also doesn't say that blacks tomorrow WILL be less violent than blacks today. I',m curious. Whats the trend been since the "end" of segregation been? And I'm talking the real trend. AKA, lets not call looking at white women a crime. I think you'll find that the trend has been an increasing one, as it has been for whites as well(probably). Thus, why should we assume that tomorrow the rate will be lower? If anything, we should assume that it is more likely to be higher...

and hey moron, thx for those figures. Now, check out the population distribution of whites and blacks in america:
white 81.7%, black 12.9% (as taken from the CIA World Factbook)

notice anything funny? Yeah, its about 8:1 Yet in prison its almost 3:2. Hmmm, wonder what that means? Oh, right. it means that killing whites would RAISE the crime RATE


yeah, thats an appropriate picture for moron here...

9/30/2005 11:18:30 PM

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"It would be FAR more useful to kill white babies than black babies, assuming these numbers hold for the next generation or so."

Crime rate, silly. And those numbers are just from federal prisons, though the state prisons might not be very different, I dunno.

And yeah, aborting all male babies would be far more effective.

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"I think you'll find that the trend has been an increasing one, as it has been for whites as well(probably)."

I dunno about total crime, but for murder, for example, it spiked and then dropped. The murder rate today is far lower than it was in the '80s. Unlike GDP, the murder rate doesn't just keep going up and up.

[Edited on September 30, 2005 at 11:23 PM. Reason : meow]

9/30/2005 11:19:37 PM

hell yeah, it'd be more effective to abort the male babies but then we'd have no more people

9/30/2005 11:23:42 PM

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"and hey moron, thx for those figures. Now, check out the population distribution of whites and blacks in america: white 81.7%, black 12.9% (as taken from the CIA World Factbook) "

Yeah, read the last post on page 1, i'm well aware of that. It doesn't change the fact that it would be more beneficial, for overall crime, to kill white babies than black babies.

Also, I think that 81% for whites is including white-hispanics as well... The number of whites of European-ancestry is less I think.

[Edited on September 30, 2005 at 11:27 PM. Reason : 2]

9/30/2005 11:26:34 PM

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"Crime rate, silly."

Well, if we start killing white babies, it would probably make the blacks happier, and they won't feel as inclined to commit crimes

Either way, the rate will decrease.

9/30/2005 11:29:51 PM

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"It doesn't change the fact that it would be more beneficial, for overall crime"

yeah. and it doesn't change the fact that you are arguing for a strawman. NOONE claimed that killing whites would not reduce overall crime. In fact, if you look at the second and third posts, you'll see that...

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"Smath74: well i mean it's true... less people, less crime."

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"pryderi: Not true. He's talking "crime rate", which is based on percentages not numbers."

but hey, thank you for arguing against a point that no one else was making.

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"Well, if we start killing white babies, it would probably make the blacks happier, and they won't feel as inclined to commit crimes "

Nah, if it weren't for the white babies growing up and making a living, the black babies would starve.

9/30/2005 11:32:50 PM

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"yeah. and it doesn't change the fact that you are arguing for a strawman. NOONE claimed that killing whites would not reduce overall crime. In fact, if you look at the second and third posts, you'll see that... "

Umm... multiple people (most of them Conservatives) commented that blacks commit more crimes. If Bennett were trying to make a point about abortion and crime, it would have been more valid to pick on whites, but considering he's probably very racist, or extremely ignorant (or both), he chose to pick on blacks. I don't see why people are defending him they way they are. He clearly made a screwed up statement. It's unfortunate (for humanity) I had to spell this out for you though, and you couldn't draw the connection on your own.

When publicly conservative politicians make statements like this, how can Republicans wonder why they are often percieved as racist? It's comments like this one that fuel Kanye West's rants (even though his particular statement was unfounded).

9/30/2005 11:39:11 PM

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"Also, I think that 81% for whites is including white-hispanics as well... The number of whites of European-ancestry is less I think."

Durr... sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine.

That aside, the US is less than 70% non-Hispanic/Latino white. Also, some percent of the whites listed on that federal prisons page are Hispanic/Latino.

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"the black babies would starve."

BULL SHIT. I know you ain't serious, but still. Blacks contribute to our economy and our society beyond measure. America without black folks simply wouldn't be America.

9/30/2005 11:40:21 PM

^ I know Spain is in Europe, but i'm not going to freaking spell all that out for a message board, when it's clear what I mean. There's no official term, AFAIK, for the specific type of spanish person that white-Americans love to hate (this usually is the non-white spanish speaking people not from Spain).

9/30/2005 11:51:42 PM

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"Umm... multiple people (most of them Conservatives) commented that blacks commit more crimes."

Actually, only ONE person said that, and he got immediately pwnt on the next post. No one else has even come CLOSE to saying that since, and no one is arguing. AKA, STRAWMAN...

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"If Bennett were trying to make a point about abortion and crime, it would have been more valid to pick on whites,"

Too bad he wasn't trying to make a point about abortion and crime. He was trying to show that USING ABORTION TO SOLVE A PROBLEM OTHER THAN A PREGNANCY IS STUPID!!! its not surpsing that you couldn't see that, though.

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"but considering he's probably very racist, or extremely ignorant (or both), he chose to pick on blacks."

actually, no. he didn't do that "because he's racist." He did it because it actually proved his fucking point. if you read his VERY NEXT SENTENCE, you will see that he says that doing so is morally reprehensible. But, libies being libies, they jumped all over and took him out of context so they can further their OMFG REPUBLICANS HATE BLACKS!!! KEEP VOTING DEMOCRATS, NEGROS!!! agenda. The fact that no liberals are stepping up to tell the media to shut the fuck up shows that liberals just exploits blacks for votes, just like dubya has used the christian right for votes.

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"I don't see why people are defending him they way they are. He clearly made a screwed up statement."

Actually, no. his comment wasn't screwed up. it probably wasn't the smartest thing to say, of course, but it wasn't screwed up, either. Everything he said was totally right. But then again, going into a rape counseling session and telling the victim that she had sex with her rapist isn't a smart thing to do either.

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"It's unfortunate (for humanity) I had to spell this out for you though, and you couldn't draw the connection on your own."

I know. its soooooooooo unfortunate that you had to argue against a point that NO ONE ELSE WAS MAKING. Its even more unfortunate that I had already made the connection to your "point" before I even read this thread for the first time, yet you still felt it necessary to continue arguing the point, even though no one was disagreeing with it.

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"When publicly conservative politicians make statements like this, how can Republicans wonder why they are often percieved as racist?"

well, I know. its a stupid thing to do. Its such a stupid thing to do to expect nowadays that the liberals in the media will not try and misrepresent what you are saying. its stupid to think that the democrats would actually STOP EXPLOITING BLACK PEOPLE and actually discuss the issues, instead of playing the race card to get votes. crazy, aint it?

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"It's comments like this one that fuel Kanye West's rants (even though his particular statement was unfounded)."

Actually, no. Its the democrats' exploitation of blacks that cause Kanye West to be such a dumbfuck.

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"America without black folks simply wouldn't be America."

I know. who would be janitors? oh right, the spics aww, man, I am SO going to hell

9/30/2005 11:52:45 PM

most of 'em are part-white rather than truly non-white

mestizo is the best term

of course, not all hispanics in the US are mestizo

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"I know. who would be janitors? oh right, the spics aww, man, I am SO going to hell"

If I were black and rich I'd buy yer ass.

And yes, there are plenty of rich black folks.

[Edited on September 30, 2005 at 11:57 PM. Reason : rahr]

9/30/2005 11:54:36 PM

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"Actually, only ONE person said that, and he got immediately pwnt on the next post. No one else has even come CLOSE to saying that since, and no one is arguing. AKA, STRAWMAN... "

Perhaps you didn't read the thread properly. A said it, jwb-something implied it, and trikk supported him.

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"Too bad he wasn't trying to make a point about abortion and crime. He was trying to show that USING ABORTION TO SOLVE A PROBLEM OTHER THAN A PREGNANCY IS STUPID!!! its not surpsing that you couldn't see that, though. "

Here's an audio clip, since you obviously have reading comprehension issues: http://matt.kinabrew.com/audio/billbennettisasicko.mp3
A caller asked if abortion was the reason we're having the problems with SS now (a dumb idea that could only come from a true conservative), Bennett correctly identified this as a dumb idea, and noted that abortion could have any effect, and that the book Freakonomics says it is responsible for reduced crime (something which Bennett disagreed with). He then goes on to say, out of the blue, that "ABORTION" could also be used to help "SOLVE" the "PROBLEM" of crime, by aborting all black babies. That was his point, at that place in his argument.

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" he didn't do that "because he's racist." He did it because it actually proved his fucking point. if you read his VERY NEXT SENTENCE, you will see that he says that doing so is morally reprehensible."

You're an idiot (or conservative) if you didn't see his comment as racist. Why pick on black babies? Is there anything particular about blacks, that would make killing their babies special? No, except that blacks are a minority in the prison population, as with the real population. The only reason he would have picked on blacks to prove his point is that he is under the false impression that blacks commit more crimes (ignorance caused by racism), or he is just viciously racist. Either way, it was a racist thing to say.

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" The fact that no liberals are stepping up to tell the media to shut the fuck up shows that liberals just exploits blacks for votes, just like dubya has used the christian right for votes. "

The fact that few Conservatives are stepping up and calling this guy out for a racist, just shows how racist they are.

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" Its such a stupid thing to do to expect nowadays that the liberals in the media will not try and misrepresent what you are saying. "

The cornerstone of Bush's reelection campaign, and of his presidency has been misrepresentation and spin. It's a usual thing in all politics, but has been worse with Republicans as of late. It's ridiculous to try and single out "liberals in the media" for this, the way you are doing.

10/1/2005 12:22:02 AM

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" "He's saying blacks inherently commit more crime. Not poor people who tend to be black, just black people." "

There are more poor Whites in America than Blacks.

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"Inmates By Race White: 105,786 (56.8 %) Black: 74,072 (39.8 %) Native American: 3,310 (1.8 %) Asian: 3,047 (1.6 %)"

Whites comit 56% of the crime, but make up the overwhelming majority. Blacks commit 39% but make up 20-30% of the population. Do you see where Im going with this?

10/1/2005 12:53:15 AM