^^my gaydar is going wild with this one

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 1:42 PM. Reason : d]

10/19/2005 1:41:58 PM

^^^

my point is, don't put ANYONE's name in the press until a verdict has been made. Just the accusation is enough to ruin someone.

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 1:43 PM. Reason : ]

10/19/2005 1:42:29 PM

^^with me???

^ alright that I can understand.


[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 1:44 PM. Reason : ^^]

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 1:44 PM. Reason : comment]

10/19/2005 1:42:33 PM

vv Yes actually if you felt that it was wrong and you were against it. you would have to prove that it was something that you were against normally and that you were taken advantage of.

This is also where sexual assualt crimes are hazy becuase the defense can take anything you do and paint it against you.

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ..]

10/19/2005 1:43:07 PM

do none of you have sisters?

10/19/2005 1:43:13 PM

What happens if i get really drunkn and a girl takes me to her room and takes advantage of me, can i press charges bc that shit happend to me last year

10/19/2005 1:44:16 PM

I think a lie detector would be perfect here just to see if she's tryin to pull a Kobe Bryant or if she's for real.

10/19/2005 1:44:48 PM

I have a sister. And I've known my sister to do some really dumb shit. I've also known my sister to lie to cover her ass, including selling her friends out. Note: I would KILL a motherfucker who actually raped my sister, but if she gets drunk and fucks some guy and regrets it, that is simply not rape.

10/19/2005 1:44:49 PM

im not saying im constantly in fear of it
but, what do you think about when youre walking to your car, by yourself, at night (well lit area or not)? its probably not the same thing im thinking
its a different point of view

and while i think girls who falsely accuse guys of rape should go to jail and then some themselves, until i know more about whats happened, im not going to assume shes just making it up cause she regretted it the next day

10/19/2005 1:45:12 PM

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[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 1:45 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2005 1:45:31 PM

Quote :

"What happens if i get really drunkn and a girl takes me to her room and takes advantage of me, can i press charges bc that shit happend to me last year"

yes

Quote :

" but if she gets drunk and fucks some guy and regrets it, that is simply not rape."

so lets say your sister was actually raped
i guess you would just assume that she is changing her mind and now regrets her actions and is fradualantly accusing the guy?

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 1:48 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2005 1:47:32 PM

Quote :

"and while i think girls who falsely accuse guys of rape should go to jail and then some themselves, until i know more about whats happened, im not going to assume shes just making it up cause she regretted it the next day"

she wins the thread.

10/19/2005 1:47:38 PM

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"but, what do you think about when youre walking to your car, by yourself, at night (well lit area or not)? its probably not the same thing im thinking"

no shit. but we arent talking about a guy that snatches women up that are on the way to their car walking alone, are we?

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 1:48 PM. Reason : ..]

10/19/2005 1:48:25 PM

BUt what sucks for this guy if he didnt rape that girl her friends that are guys are prolly gonna come after him with avengence if she told anyone about it, if hes guilty fuck it hes gonna get beat up and go to jail, but if hes not guilty that sucks bc hes about to get beat up, and prolly still go to jail im just glad its not me

10/19/2005 1:49:09 PM

punctuation is our friend

10/19/2005 1:49:55 PM

the best part about the law in NC is that if he has had so much as a drinking ticket, his minimum sentence goes up by 22 months for each charge.

10/19/2005 1:50:10 PM

the thing is, is that you cant have sex if youre not willing (and not hard)
whereas its possible to have sex with a girl whether shes willing or not, some lube may be necessary, but its physically possible

so most guys dont hafta worry about being taken advantage of when theyre really drunk, atleast the ones who cant get it up when theyre really drunk, or when theyre not willing -- girls dont have that luxury

10/19/2005 1:54:51 PM

If it comes to light that the girl is BS'ing then Davis still has put down rape on every job application he ever fills out where it asks "Have you ever been charged with a felony crime?" and explain it. He's screwed either way.

10/19/2005 1:55:45 PM

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"you cant have sex if youre not willing "

Are you kidding me?

10/19/2005 1:56:59 PM

Quote :

"so most guys dont hafta worry about being taken advantage of when theyre really drunk, atleast the ones who cant get it up when theyre really drunk, or when theyre not willing -- girls dont have that luxury"

Ask Kobe Byant if guys don't have to worry about being taken advantage of in regards to late night sexual escapades.

10/19/2005 1:57:07 PM

that assumes not hard
i mean physically... trying to have sex with a guy thats flaccid... that doesnt work so well

10/19/2005 1:57:51 PM

Quote :

"so most guys dont hafta worry about being taken advantage of when theyre really drunk"

1 out of 7 men will be sexually assaulted by the time they are adults

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 1:59 PM. Reason : 1 in 5 for women]

10/19/2005 1:58:48 PM

Quote :

""Have you ever been charged with a felony crime?""

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i thought it was "committed" a felony crime. that would be discrimination if it was just "charged"

10/19/2005 1:59:36 PM

Thats a good point i blacked out so im pretty sure nothing went on but i dont know but i do remeber telling her to take me back to my damn room and she didnt bc i woke up on the wrong damn floor in my boxers ( i had no fucking idea where i was) but i did pee on her bed

10/19/2005 1:59:38 PM

http://www.ncweb.com/org/rapecrisis/malerape.html

10/19/2005 1:59:43 PM

guys can get hard even when the don't want to - it's just a stimulus - go read about it rjrgrl - hell you can even probably watch law and order svu to find this out

10/19/2005 2:00:23 PM

yea jon i got that

i dont know what "sexually assualted" means in that context, what does it entail, whats the number that are sexually assualted by women and the number that are sexually assualted by men

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 2:01 PM. Reason : ^yes i realize this, hence why i put in the (and not hard) part]

10/19/2005 2:00:25 PM

well men cant be "raped"
so thats why its sexually assaulted

10/19/2005 2:01:43 PM

Jon go back to a frat party

you don't know shit.

10/19/2005 2:03:01 PM

he is charged with 2 crimes

he is charged with 2 crimes

he is charged with 2 crimes

he is charged with 2 crimes

he is charged with 2 crimes

10/19/2005 2:03:30 PM

so are many people...assault and battery is two crimes, not one

as in...i'm sure there's a word in one of the laws that justifies him being charged with both.
and it only takes one word.

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 2:09 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2005 2:08:22 PM

Quote :

"does it bother anyone else even remotely that this guy is charged with the same crime twice? "

yeah that shit pisses me off when they start piling on very similar charges... ive got 2 fed misdemeanors like that

"if you cant catch criminals, criminalize the people you can catch"

10/19/2005 2:10:19 PM

if the victim was retarded (for example) it would also be two crimes

10/19/2005 2:11:32 PM

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"what do you think about when youre walking to your car, by yourself, at night (well lit area or not)? "

I'm thinking "How am I going to beat the ass of the guy who tries to mug me if he comes from this direction or this direction?" Probably not much different than what you are thinking, but I'm more concerned about my wallet than my vagina.

Plus, as was already pointed out, that wasn't the situation in this case. It happened in a bedroom / frat house / other place where a party was going on with drinking involved.


That being said, jackleg has a point that it is screwed up he's being charged twice for something that allegedly happened once.

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 2:12 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2005 2:12:19 PM

http://www.rainn.org/docs/statistics/cv03.pdf

in 2003: # of victims of sexual assualt/rape (bottom of page 9)
male victims: 19,670
female victims: 179,170

10/19/2005 2:14:43 PM

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"§ 14-27.3. Second-degree rape. (a) A person is guilty of rape in the second degree if the person engages in vaginal intercourse with another person: (1) By force and against the will of the other person; or (2) Who is mentally disabled, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless, and the person performing the act knows or should reasonably know the other person is mentally disabled, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless."

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"§ 14-27.5. Second-degree sexual offense. (a) A person is guilty of a sexual offense in the second degree if the person engages in a sexual act with another person: (1) By force and against the will of the other person; or (2) Who is mentally disabled, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless, and the person performing the act knows or should reasonably know that the other person is mentally disabled, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless."

its a classic case of the state "overcharging" a crime so that they can get a plea bargain. he's gonna go to court and the DA is going to be "nice" and "offer" him a "deal" where they can drop one of the charges if he pleads guilty to the other. total bullshit.

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 2:18 PM. Reason : j]

10/19/2005 2:16:31 PM

hey guess what... men are a lot less likely to report it
you cant use crime statistics

10/19/2005 2:17:00 PM

so maybe it wasnt just sex.....

plus, if the guys guilty, then fuck him, he deserves both of those charges

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 2:17 PM. Reason : ^and the number of women that report it isnt 100% either]

10/19/2005 2:17:17 PM

i'm sure more women are sexually assaulted/raped than men. but that proportion seems a little high. i'm thinking men just don't report that sort of stuff nearly as much as women. if you thought there was a stigma with a woman reporting a rape, i would imagine it would be even worse for a guy.

10/19/2005 2:17:28 PM

If more women would just say "yes"......




and back to chit chat I go

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 2:18 PM. Reason : we need more info before we speculate...]

10/19/2005 2:17:45 PM

who thinks that 19670 might be low?

if women are ashamed to step forward, i'd think it'd be much worse for a guy

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 2:19 PM. Reason : obviously i'm not the first to suggest this...]

10/19/2005 2:18:11 PM

Getting it in the ass is a worse stigma

10/19/2005 2:19:35 PM

Quote :

"so maybe it wasnt just sex....."

there are things called "lesser included offenses". something like sexual battery would probably be included in this

if he fucked her against her will, he should be charged with rape. not rape and sexual assault.

10/19/2005 2:21:00 PM

Quote :

" In a study conducted by the Department of Justice and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, researchers interviewed 8,000 women and 8,000 men. Using a definition of rape that includes forced vaginal, oral, and anal intercourse, the survey found that 1 in 6 women had experienced an attempted rape or a completed rape. At the time they were raped: 22% were under the age of twelve 54% were under the age of eighteen 83% were under the age of twenty-five In the same study, 1 in 33 men had experienced a sexual assault. Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women, U.S. Department of Justice, 1998 "

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"Rape is called "the most underreported violent crime in America." In a large national survey of American women, only 16% of the rapes (approximately one out of every six) had ever been reported to the police."

http://www.911rape.org/ >> Facts & Quotes >> Statistics

im looking for the reporting % for men, btw, i just havent found it yet - so dont jump on me about that jon

10/19/2005 2:22:09 PM

or he could get a good lawyer and plea nolo contendere

10/19/2005 2:23:26 PM

someone post his pic from the facebook so we can decide if he's a rapist or not

seriously

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 2:26 PM. Reason : no good lawyer would plead no contest to this ]

10/19/2005 2:25:13 PM

how can you force oral sex, like is a weapon involved bc i woudl think just chomp down if i was a chick and leave the bastard in pain

10/19/2005 2:25:32 PM

Quote :

"i thought it was "committed" a felony crime. that would be discrimination if it was just "charged""

"Job applications typically ask if applicants have an arrest or conviction record. [Even those who have been] exonerated must still answer "yes," even if their conviction has been thrown out by a judge."

Plus... "In other cases, exonerees may be freed, but their records will continue to show they were arrested, tried and convicted. Records are not automatically expunged, even in cases of a gubernatorial pardon. That means that employers doing a background check may come across the information and opt not to interview the applicant, especially with unemployment at 5.4%, as it was in September."

http://www.truthinjustice.org/scars.htm

10/19/2005 2:33:35 PM

10/19/2005 2:34:16 PM

both men and women have rapable assholes. therefor they can both be raped by men, or women with unloving strap-ons

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 2:34 PM. Reason : =]

10/19/2005 2:34:36 PM