I don't buy that they never wound a deer with a .22 mag.

11/19/2005 10:38:41 PM

I can't say they don't wound them, but they seem to do better than the people with .30cal

11/19/2005 10:41:34 PM

i've never wounded a deer

for that matter, i've never had one run more than about 3 steps

and i've never had one run at ALL with the 7mm REM.

11/19/2005 10:46:09 PM

You must be very proud of yourself.

11/19/2005 10:49:02 PM

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thats what its all about, but you still need a decent round, not a .22. not saying it cant be done, but its not a good idea.

11/19/2005 10:54:06 PM

i am not saying its the best idea to use a .22 mag but I have done it quite a few times, killed my biggest buck with one and he ran no more than 15 yards

i hunt in residential neighborhoods so folks dont like hearing a 30-06 go off at 6:45am on a saturday...that doesnt get you invited back

11/19/2005 10:56:20 PM

getting back to the original point of the thread. the reason they are holding their weapons like that is because they are using the scopes for observation. by putting the buttstock on the soldier, they have easier access to the scope, and the weight of the weapon is supported by the shoulder, which is less physically demanding than supporting and bracing the weapon with the arm

11/19/2005 11:02:12 PM

^^^no shit, but you're setting yourself up for problems by using a .223 (or .22-250, etc), not to mention a .22 mag.

^^^^the point is that the standard isn't to "do better than some no-shooting jackass with a .30 cal who wounds deer all the time). the standard is to never wound a deer. I'm sure if you shoot enough deer, it'll happen VERY OCCASSIONALLY no matter how good you are, how careful you are, and how powerful of a round you use, but if you're wounding deer, you aren't doing something right.

and expecting yourself to make a perfect shot every single time isn't realistic.

11/19/2005 11:14:33 PM

mmmmmmmmm M14

11/19/2005 11:26:23 PM

i have shot with an M14 (street legal version is the M1A which i have shot) and the the M-16. totally perfer the M14. its got a kick, but it is an amazing fucking weapon. the m-16 isn't bad, only b/c it weighs half of what the m-14 does, can carry more rounds in a magazine and can carry more rounds on the soldier/marine.

as for stopping power with the m-16, read blackhawk down. guys over there said that they were hitting people left and right and they weren't dropping, but i do go along with the whole tumbling of the bullet once it enters the entended target.

the marines were playing around with the idea of arming one person in each infantry squad with an m-14 as a designated marksman. put a small optical scope on it and use it for small range sniping and dropping targets they can get the jump on.

11/20/2005 2:29:41 AM

The problem in Mogadishu was the green-tipped penetrators. Lead-core bullets are designed to deform and yaw (the "tumbling") or fragment. The green-tips have a tungsten tip to punch through armor, which prevents them from deforming.

Which M1A did you shoot?

11/20/2005 2:47:35 AM

the SBR rifles (acurized m-4's) and the Designate Marksman m14's are both deisgned to be a out to 600 yard weapon. While the m14 can be used at ranges much longer that 600 yards, 600 yards and longer is normally considered work for snipers. The move to the SBR system is to make sure that the squad level marksman has a weapon that LOOKS like everyone elses, no matter how different it may be internally. Thus an enemy force cannot identify the sniper/marksman in a squad and shoot him first.

11/20/2005 3:15:16 AM

also at close range with the 5.56's have too much velocity. they are over stablized and just go in one side and out the other.

11/20/2005 8:35:49 AM

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"The problem in Mogadishu was the green-tipped penetrators."

it also didnt help that most of them were amped up on drugs

11/20/2005 9:08:43 AM

the us does not use expanding hollow point munitions in combat due to military necessity, and they do in fact still follow a lot of international laws that are accepted elsewhere

11/20/2005 10:42:39 AM

the us does nor use EXPANDING amunition in combat against other MILIARIES. Against terrororists, or those who take hostages, we use it all day and all night.

11/20/2005 1:34:42 PM

My father owns an M1A. he uses it for target shooting. he at one time was on the Marine Corps Rifle/Pistol team and was a pretty good shooter. He bought one a few years ago and has been snapping in quite regularly.

11/20/2005 5:52:48 PM

did he know carlos hathcock?

11/20/2005 6:23:35 PM

no, never knew hathcock. dad was on the team back in the 50's. before carlos got in the corps i think.

11/20/2005 6:50:33 PM