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"Any talk--even so much as a murmur--of leaving now just emboldens the enemy and weakens the resolve of our of troops in the field. That’s dangerous!"

Dissent is dangerous. It strenghtens the terrorists.

11/24/2005 10:23:56 PM

i heard the same thing from my cousin. he says that shit feels good, but it doesnt work. he got 2 kids yo.

11/24/2005 10:33:48 PM

honestly, I'm more afraid of my own government than I am of terrorists

11/24/2005 10:35:20 PM

Keep flailing away Wlfpk4Life...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1887806,00.html

Quote :

"Bush set to pull out 60,000 troops Growing political and public aversion to the war in Iraq is forcing the President’s hand PRESIDENT BUSH is planning a major pullout of US troops from Iraq amid rising opposition to the war on Capitol Hill and across America. After a fortnight in which the political debate has rapidly moved from how to fight the war to how best to get out of Iraq, the White House is looking at reducing troop levels by at least 60,000 next year. Confirming the worst fears of the war’s conservative supporters, who argue that more troops are needed to defeat the insurgency, senior military officials made clear yesterday that the Bush Administration’s goal is to cut troop levels from 160,000 to below 100,000 by the end of 2006. Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of State, far from denying the withdrawal plan first reported in The Washington Post, said that a gradual pullout of troops could begin “fairly soon”, and that the number of coalition troops is “clearly going to come down”. Dr Rice told Fox News that the US will not need to maintain its present troop levels in Iraq for “very much longer”, because Iraqi security forces are “stepping up”. She added: “I think that’s how the President will want to look at this.” The talk of withdrawal comes after a profound and swift change in attitude about Iraq in Congress. The issue, festering just below the surface for months, has exploded in Washington and is resonating loudly throughout America. In the past fortnight the war has eclipsed every other subject and is accelerating Mr Bush’s slide in the polls. For the first time senior Republicans are demanding an exit strategy, and with nearly two thirds of Americans now believing that the invasion was a mistake, the political debate is focused on how to end US involvement. The mood swing began after the US death toll in Iraq passed 2,000 last month, days before the indictment of Lewis Libby, Vice-President Cheney’s former chief-of-staff, for his role in the CIA-leak scandal. Democrats exploited Mr Libby’s indictment to broaden the debate about how the White House made the case for war, accusing the Administration of manipulating prewar intelligence. Those claims triggered fierce rebuttals from Mr Bush and Mr Cheney. They alleged that Democrats, many of whom voted for the war, saw the same intelligence as the White House. Mr Cheney called the accusations “revisionism of the most corrupt and shameless variety”. But polls suggest the Democrat claims had some success. For the first time, a majority of Americans believe that Mr Bush is dishonest. Only 29 per cent believe that Mr Cheney is honest. The President’s approval rating is 36 per cent. With debate about how the White House led the country into war raging, the Republican-controlled Senate backed a resolution last week — by 79 to 19 — that a phased redeployment of US forces from Iraq should begin next year. The sponsors of that proposal were John Warner, the powerful Republican chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Bill Frist, the Republican Senate leader. They denied that the move was to distance Republicans from an increasingly unpopular war before next year’s mid-term elections. But John McCain, one of the few Republicans advocating a troop increase, said of his party: “They’re nervous. They see the polls.” Bill Clinton, the former President, then appeared to disavow his support for the war, declaring it to have been a “big mistake”. The issue moved centre stage on Friday after John Murtha, a Democrat congressman and a decorated Vietnam veteran who voted for the war, called for a total withdrawal of US troops. That call provoked an ugly and at times hysterical debate in the House of Representatives on Friday night. In a moment of vaudevillian theatrics, one Democrat crossed the floor with his fists raised. Although Mr Murtha’s proposal for an immediate withdrawal was defeated 403 to 3, Republican attacks on the former Marine’s patriotism backfired. Talk about withdrawal, recently at the fringes of debate, now dominates the agenda. In the past 48 hours several Democrats with their eyes on the 2008 presidential race have talked about a phased pullout. Fred Barnes, a commentator on the conservative Weekly Standard, said: “These events are ominous . . . they suggest that troop removal has superseded victory as the primary American concern.” Frank Luntz, a Republican pollster, said: “Americans are demanding a light at the end of the tunnel. Congress is responding to the question: when will it be over?”"

Care to amend or amplify your statement?

[Edited on November 25, 2005 at 12:25 AM. Reason : na na na na....na na na na...hey hey hey...goodbye]

11/25/2005 12:07:33 AM

GEORGE BUSH IS A COWARD

COMMANDERS IN CHIEF DO NOT CUT AND RUN

11/25/2005 12:24:34 AM

Quote :

"i miss packguy thats a republican i could handle"

Indeed.

I have no problem with people from a particular political or ideological background.

I have a big problem with people who are closed-minded and rather than considering alternatives will defend their own beliefs by trying to reinforce lies and distort facts.

11/25/2005 8:53:44 AM

Yes because real openmindedness is found within those people who compare their political adversaries to Adolf Hitler.

11/25/2005 9:07:49 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175535,00.html

Nice spin from across the pond there Gamecat.

Any withdrawal of American troops will be because of advances made in that country, not that we're turning tail and running.

11/25/2005 9:23:32 AM

Quote :

"Yes because real openmindedness is found within those people who compare their political adversaries to Adolf Hitler."

Wow, is the tractor boy cwying? Because half of the country that he woutinely caws traitors and cowards don't wove him?

11/25/2005 9:50:18 AM

I know you revel in lying, back up those slanderous comments, jackass. I have never questioned anybody's patriotism.

[Edited on November 25, 2005 at 9:58 AM. Reason : more foo]

11/25/2005 9:55:36 AM

MEL GIBSON IS CRYING!!!!!!!!!

11/25/2005 10:00:38 AM

AHAHAHAHA
THIS MOTHER FUCKER COMPLAINS ABOUT "SPIN" AND THEN POSTS A LINK TO FOXNEWS

11/25/2005 10:49:04 AM

OMG MAYBE IF I POST IN ALL CAPS LIKE THE DUMB SHIT ABOVE ME THEN PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE ME MORE

11/25/2005 10:56:26 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

YOU'RE TOO CLEVER SIR

ITS AMAZING HOW POSTING IN ALL CAPS DOSN'T SEEM TO INVALIDATE WHAT I SAID IN ANY WAY

11/25/2005 11:00:08 AM

THIS SENTENCE IS TRUE!

THE ABOVE SENTENCE IS FALSE!!!!!!!

11/25/2005 11:04:13 AM

Quote :

"Yes because real openmindedness is found within those people who compare their political adversaries to Adolf Hitler."

Wow, you're still whining about that picture?

Well, I guess I should have expected that from some nonanonymous right wing blog propagandist like yourself.

11/25/2005 11:07:46 AM

Quote :

"Yes because real openmindedness is found within those people who compare their political adversaries to Adolf Hitler."

I have this picture in my gallery:



Just because it is in my gallery does not mean that I think that a cat should be carried with sharp metal spike torqued into its rectum.

Jackass.

11/25/2005 1:07:09 PM

Quote :

"Yes because real openmindedness is found within those people who compare their political adversaries to Adolf Hitler."

Quote :

"What the Democrats are doing is the equivalent of Adolf Hitler in 1942 saying, 'I'm in Paris. How dare you invade me. How dare you bomb my city? It's mine.' This is no more the rule of the senate than it was the rule of the senate before not to filibuster." -- Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), quoted on the Senate floor"

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/05/19.html#a3012

11/25/2005 3:26:24 PM

the guy with this in his gallery:



comparing ww2 to this current "war on terror" is pretty shortsighted, inaccurate, and not to mention, lame. gg on calling people out on credibility.

ONLY PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH ME HAVE CREDIBILITY.

This guy is a dumb fuck. Its not the side youre on or your intelligence that makes you look silly, its your shortsightedness and ridiculous fear of the UN and France and other stupid issues that only far-right, john birch style right wingers bother to care about, as well as the fact that you jump to demonize people on the left that dont agree with you that makes you just as bad as Big Girl. Anyone who just jumps and says "OMG republican=dumbass!, leftie=traitor!, europe=evil!" is just as dumb as people who equate bush to hitler. youre a dumb motherfucker and you know it.

now proceed to call me a fag or a "pinko traitor" or something and validate my claim.

[Edited on November 26, 2005 at 4:30 PM. Reason : .]

11/26/2005 4:28:39 PM

this is so typical. an opposing viewpoint gets bashed by the left, and the person who holds it gets cruicified. and then you respond with garbage from europe, great, im sure they know whats best for us, seeing as how they have been helping us so much in the war on terror. you people amaze me.

11/26/2005 8:52:19 PM

THE BIG GIRL STRIKES AGAIN

11/26/2005 10:02:35 PM

you never address my point of view, all you ever do is say that.

i guess you dont even know what you stand for, sad.

11/26/2005 10:04:08 PM

THE BIG GIRL STRIKES AGAIN

11/26/2005 10:42:42 PM

hahahahaha

not addressing your "point of view" is actually a big part of what i stand for

you be amazed how much easier it is to mock you than to try and reason with you

a lot more fun too

11/26/2005 11:06:32 PM

POSTING IN ALL CAPS MAKES YOUR POINT FOR YOU BETTER THAN ANY LAME ASS FLAME EVER COULD

WoodHead, for the sake of humanity, plz pull a Hunter S. Thompson.

11/26/2005 11:13:34 PM

DO YOU SEE WHAT HE DID THERE WITH YOUR NAME? IT WAS SUBTLE SO IM POINTING IT OUT

11/26/2005 11:16:46 PM

awwwww

i would love to revolutionize journalism and have a thrilled legion of fans

thanks for the suggestion

[Edited on November 26, 2005 at 11:17 PM. Reason : THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT JONHGREAT!]

11/26/2005 11:17:02 PM

MORE LIKE WOODTOOT

LIKE A FART

BECAUSE YOUR VIEWS STINK LIKE POOP

11/26/2005 11:55:54 PM

more like doodloop

11/27/2005 12:01:16 AM

doodloop?

how about dude love?

he was awesome.

11/27/2005 1:45:11 AM

cactus jack > *

11/27/2005 2:09:57 AM

what about StomachFoot
thats for if you are a gastropod

11/27/2005 10:00:02 AM

11/27/2005 11:03:03 AM

id like to point out that the man insulting other people's choices of sources has consistently used sources from pages supporting the john birch society, among other wacky far right-wing groups.

and does a source coming from the UK automatically negate it? are you that dumb? sometimes i have to read the guardian just to find out whats going on in my own country! cnn and fox are too busy with their flashy graphics and promoting their ratings-grabbing punditry to get to some of these news items.

11/28/2005 12:32:31 AM

Quote :

"Yes because real openmindedness is found within those people who compare their political adversaries to Adolf Hitler."

Actually, I view Bush more like Mussolini.... except the trains don't run on time, and the mayors get the blame.

11/28/2005 8:17:20 AM

^^blackandpink, I have used maybe 2 links from the John Birch Society, which is no worse than half of pryderi's links to such "credible" sights such as mediamatters.org and a host of others, and yet I don't see you calling him out for using biased sources.

The constant hypocrisy that is found on these boards is downright hilarious. Question a liberal on the war and you're a warmonger who likes to kill babies. But comparing Bush to Hitler or Mussoulini is a just and fair comparison.

11/28/2005 11:27:59 AM

ITS ONE OR THE OTHER
ONE OR THE OTHER

11/28/2005 11:32:17 AM

the fact that you take them seriously hurts your credibility.

keep up this crusade against the left, its just what a divided country needs right now.

11/28/2005 12:43:14 PM

What makes the John Birch Society so unreliable? What makes you think that I take them seriously?

If you're pissed at me for using them as a source one time then I can't imagine what you think of pryderi with all of his "biased" sources. Better yet, shouldn't you be calling him out?

[Edited on November 28, 2005 at 7:19 PM. Reason : ]

11/28/2005 7:18:58 PM

john birch has crazy billboards down here in florida:

"THE UN IS GONNA TAKE YOUR GUNS" and stuff like that.

not to mention they have a well-known history of wackiness (ie: accusing Eisenhower of being a communist, "fighting the illuminati",etc).

as for his sources, i know nothing about them, so i cant judge. if pyderi believes bush is secretly torturing and stealing elections based on the nature of his sources, then i can only assume youre one of these extreme anti-UN, anti-non-US, yokels who borderlines on being as bad as the michigan militia. their own website has up stuff on "the conspiratal creation of a world government" and some asinine argument against democracy (huh? what? the founding fathers dont like democracy?).maybe you arent, but then again, you do seem to trust them.

there are much more liberal lefties than pyderi with conspiracy theories salisburyboy would be proud of. however, there isnt much more room left on the right once you get to these "america for americans" groups like john birch and right march and such.

the further over on the right or left you get, the more extreme moderates and mainstream political parties look.

[Edited on November 28, 2005 at 7:41 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on November 28, 2005 at 7:44 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2005 7:36:18 PM

What pryderi thinks has nothing to do with what I think.

The fact that you give him a pass just reflects your own bias, not to mention your stupid assumption that if pryderi is a nut then I must be too. I'd love for you to prove your slander.

Just be honest about how you feel about people who do not see the world through the eyes of pinkandblack. If you really think that pryderi's brand of politics isn't far left/extreme (he even calls the Democrats "republican-lite") then you are farther left than you want to admit, which I'm sure makes somebody who is to the right of center seem like a militia man.

[Edited on November 28, 2005 at 7:57 PM. Reason : more]

11/28/2005 7:54:55 PM

By the way, if you want to bash the John Birch Society, you might want to note that they probably hate Bush as much as you do, if not more.

11/28/2005 8:00:13 PM

way to jump to conclusions. i never stood up for anyone. i dont even read his threads, i know theyre pointless. why dont you just be honest about people who dont see things the way you see them while youre at it? you havent exactly been a bastion of even-handedness yourself (im sure youll see that as "slander" too, since you seem to think you have all the answers here as to what constitutes reliable information. what makes you think youre any more legit than ANYONE on here? and no, im not saying i have any answers either, just figured id say that before you use a line like that towards me.

i also like how you threw the "slander" thing out there, while youre not exactly holding back at throwing out crazy assumptions yourself.

EVERYONE HERE IS FUCKING BIASED IN SOME WAY, DONT ACT LIKE YOURE BEYOND THAT AND HOLD THE ANSWER TO WHATS CREDIBLE AND WHAT ISNT



might as well type in all caps, its all stupid judgements anyway.

SLANDER!

[Edited on November 28, 2005 at 8:23 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2005 8:12:56 PM

WHEN YOU'RE NWO
YOU'RE NWO

4 LIFE!

11/28/2005 9:07:38 PM

Withdrawl is not an option?
Amen, brother.

11/28/2005 10:07:07 PM