I missed the part where:

jews==satanists

12/2/2005 4:29:25 PM

Wow...


salsburyboy believes in MAGIC



who woulda thunk?

12/2/2005 4:31:33 PM

Quote :

"Marx's Communism espouse many of the same goals as the Bavarian Illuminati and are centered around the same ultimate goal: world domination"

Since when is Marx about world domination? I seem to remember something about him being a critical theorist opposed to hidden forms of domination and false consciousness. Guess I misread something there.

Quote :

"A hexagram is formed by the stars over the Eagle on the other side of the great seal"

You mean because they're symmetrically arranged? You could also form a pentagon, two right triangles, any number of figures. Perhaps Euclid or Pythagoras is behind all this shyte?

And my final point: if all this is truly evidence of the NWO attempting to dominate us, I'd say they already won, evidenced by the existence of the examples themselves. The war's over, we lost.

Peace, love, dope. Oh yeah, and ALL IS NUMBER.

[Edited on December 2, 2005 at 4:35 PM. Reason : ]

12/2/2005 4:33:37 PM

Quote :

"Quote : "ENORMOUS POWER IS GENERATED BY THE UTMOST SECRECY AND SECRECY IS PERPETUATED THROUGH SYMBOLS" Occultists believe that symbols have power, but they also believe that symbols have the most power when they are not detected or even understood by the masses. And this makes sense, because knowledge is power. So, secrecy (ie, concealing knowledge) is powerful for those who have the knowledge. Symbols are a way for occultists and secret societies to communicate with each other without revealing knowledge to those outside the secret society."

But thanks to your Illumination on the subject of occultist and secret society symbols I have the knowledge and that means...





[Edited on December 2, 2005 at 4:36 PM. Reason : lollerskates]

12/2/2005 4:33:40 PM

And one more thing...

Quote :

"Symbols are a way for occultists and secret societies to communicate with each other without revealing knowledge to those outside the secret society."

I don't know if you've ever heard of...uh...language, but it's entirely made up of symbols. Everyone uses symbols for virtually everything. Hell, our entire social system is based on symbols, and necessarily so. How the fuck would you buy bread without a credit card or money? Communism, you say? But I thought Marx was bad?

To quote Kenneth Burke:

Man is:

(a) symbol using and misusing

(b) inventor of the negative (cause you're like, waaay negative)

(c) separating himself from nature by things of his own creation (i.e. - symbols)

(c) goaded by a sense of hierarchy (and, to bring in Francis Bacon, imposing order on a world in which there may be none, i.e. connecting the Illuminati to CBS. Maybe they both just like eyeballs.)

(d) rotten with perfection

[Edited on December 2, 2005 at 4:43 PM. Reason : ]

12/2/2005 4:42:48 PM

So, does the Thundercats' use of the all-seeing eye in the Sword of Omens mean that they are:

a) Jews
b) Satanists
c) Masons
d) Republican puppets for the New World Order
or
e) All of the Above

12/2/2005 4:43:24 PM

Can I say both (a) and (b)?

12/2/2005 4:45:45 PM

Another interesting aspect of the Great Seal is the fact that the bald eagle was NOT originally included on the Great Seal. It was originally a Phoenix, which is a mythical bird going back to ancient Egypt that is important to occultists.

Here is an early depiction of the original design of the Great Seal:

Quote :

" "Arms of the United States" - Columbian Magazine — Philadelphia, 1786 James Trenchard's engravings are the first realizations of the Great Seal. A realization is a drawing of a seal based on its blazon, the written heraldic description. http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/illuminati.html"

Clearly, the design of the "eagle" depicted on the great seal has been since changed.


More on the meaning of the Phoenix Bird:

Quote :

"PHOENIX BIRD SHOWN TO BE LUCIFER Let us now hear more about the occult belief in the Phoenix Bird, from a former witch. "The Phoenix ... is believed to be a divine bird going back to Egypt ... This Phoenix destroys itself in flames and then rises from the ashes. Most occultists believe that the Phoenix is a symbol of Lucifer who was cast down in flames and who they think will one day rise triumphant. This, of course, also relates to the rising of Hiram Abiff, the Masonic 'christ'." [Dr. C. Burns, Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated , p. 123] Lest you think this tie-in of the Phoenix Bird to Lucifer is one occultist's imagination, listen to Barbara Walker, a radical feminist. She says that the Egyptians and Phoenicians believed that the Phoenix Bird was the representation of a god who "rose to heaven in the form of a morning star, like Lucifer, after his fire-immolation of death and rebirth ..." http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1259.cfm"

12/2/2005 4:51:55 PM

So what's with the not liking Bush or Republicans? You guys seem like you'd get along. Kill the Jews, occultists, and heathens all at once with our righteous brand of Christianity and money.

12/2/2005 4:59:13 PM

n/m

[Edited on December 2, 2005 at 5:35 PM. Reason : you'd misunderstand it, misquote it, and insist that Wilson's "in on it"]

12/2/2005 5:35:12 PM

OH NOES TEH NWO HAS TAKEN OVER LAS VEGAS!!!11






Run for the hills

12/2/2005 5:36:05 PM

From the Straight Dope:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_022.html

Quote :

"Dear Cecil: Why does the U.S. dollar bill have the image of a pyramid with an eye in the capstone? Someone told me that it has something to do with a shadow society that secretly rules the country. If they're so secret why would they be so obvious about their insignia? I want the straight dope--that is, unless they've gotten to you too. --Jason K., Scarborough, Ontario Cecil replies: They haven't. Ticks me off. Why should guys from the dailies get all the payola? As for the apparent paradox of a secret society advertising itself in one of the world's most conspicuous places, some say that's the beauty of it. The conspirators are geniuses, see? They know that the more they make themselves obvious, the more they'll be invisible. If that sounds like a classic line of malarkey--bud, you're starting to catch on. As you know if you've read the fine print, what you see on the back of a dollar bill is the great seal of the U.S., established by Congress on June 20, 1782. The official interpretation is that the pyramid represents strength and durability. It's incomplete because so is the work of building the nation. The eye in the triangle is the all-seeing eye of providence. What makes the story interesting is that the eye and pyramid have links to Freemasonry. The eye, for example, is said to be a symbol of the Great Architect of the Universe, i.e., God. The symbolic significance of the pyramid and the eye were well known to educated folk of the 18th century, and one may argue that the Masons and the designers of the seal were merely drawing on a common fund of symbolic meaning. But what if . . . one pauses pregnantly . . . there's more to it? Due to incomplete records, nobody knows exactly how many of the founding fathers were Masons. But there were quite a few, including George Washington, Ben Franklin, and possibly Thomas Jefferson. Franklin and Jefferson were on the committee assigned to design the great seal. This group produced a design calling for, among other things, an all-seeing eye. While the eye was cool, the design otherwise was pretty feeble, and the job wound up getting dumped on the secretary of the Congress, Charles Thomson. Thomson enlisted the aid of Philadelphian William Barton. The two cooked up the scheme we have today, incorporating the all-seeing eye plus a pyramid, because everybody liked the idea of Egyptian symbolism. It's not known if Barton and Thomson were Masons, and judging from surviving correspondence there's no indication a Masonic connection crossed anybody's mind at the time. But it's crossed lots of minds since. Theories range from Nuts to Really Nuts to Grounds for Immediate Commitment. Joseph Campbell, in The Power of Myth, proposed a wacky but basically genial interpretation that works in Solomon's Seal and the Pythagorean tetrakys and Egyptian folklore. Upshot: the seal is a symbolical representation of democracy. Fine as far as it goes, but lacking the essential element of paranoia. For this we turn to the religious right, which sees the eye and pyramid as evidence of a Masonic plot (by George Washington!) to destroy Christianity. And then, of course--you knew I was getting to this--there's the Illuminati connection. As you know from our previous discussions of this subject, the Illuminati are the grand cabal behind everything, including, some think, weird stuff on money. The question is, who's behind the Illuminati? Wise individuals, I venture to say. Indeed, we may characterize them as wise guys. I'm thinking of Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea, who in the mid-70s wrote the conspiracy satire Illuminatus!, which has become a cult classic. Wilson et al have been shoveling baloney about the Illuminati/eye on the pyramid/world-domination conspiracy for more than 20 years, and some credit them with single-handedly keeping the thing alive. At the risk of belaboring the obvious, it's a joke intended to separate hip folk (who get it) from right-wing losers (who don't). So Jason, let me ask you. You think it's real? --CECIL ADAMS"

12/2/2005 5:40:59 PM

in haiti the all seeing eye is everywhere (seriously, not kidding)
are they in on it too?

12/2/2005 5:43:51 PM

who cares


Illuminatis are everywhere in Raleigh


[Edited on December 2, 2005 at 6:03 PM. Reason : g]

12/2/2005 5:54:09 PM

No kidding!

12/2/2005 6:00:30 PM

man, I used to love connect the dots when I was a kid

12/2/2005 6:07:43 PM

Quote :

"Many phenomena -- wars, plauges, sudden audits -- have been advanced as evidence for the hidden hand of Satan in the affairs of Man, but whenever students of domonology get together the M25 London orbital motorway is generally agreed to be among the top contenders for Exhibit A. Where they go wrong, of course, is in assuming that the wretched road is evil simply because of the incredible carnage and frustration it engenders every day. In fact, very few people on the face of the planet know that the very shape of the M25 forms the sign odegra in the language of the Black Priesthood of Ancient Mu, and means "Hail the Great Beast, Devourer of Worlds.""

12/2/2005 7:51:01 PM

12/2/2005 7:53:53 PM

DICK CLARK IS A MEMBER OF THE NWO!

Quote :

""Keep your eye on this spot! You are about to see one celebrity and one contestant step into this circle with a chance to win $10,000 in less than a minute! Ladies and gentlemen, this - is the $10,000 Pyramid!!""

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

[Edited on December 2, 2005 at 8:05 PM. Reason : .]

12/2/2005 8:00:36 PM

i once played this game...it had symbology in it...genetic symbology...clearly it an attempt to explain to us all that this stuff was real

[Edited on December 2, 2005 at 10:13 PM. Reason : -]

12/2/2005 10:12:27 PM

i hate to break it to you salisburybot, but the pyramid in front of the Louve does NOT have 666 panes of glass. Nor does it have 616. geez, you'd think you paranoid fuckheads could at least count or something...

12/3/2005 7:02:45 PM

i've skimmed page 2

does he ever answer my question about how the ACTUAL pyramids fit into this?

12/3/2005 7:07:26 PM

of course not

but, there are more pyramids than just the egyptian ones, so I suppose the devil started his work early in human history, before the Jews came onto the scene...

12/3/2005 7:52:59 PM

No, I'm sure there's a secret Jewish/Egyptian connection which can be found on <insert geocities site here>

Rather, one that doesn't involve the Jews being slaves in Egypt at some point in their history...

12/3/2005 8:32:00 PM

He never answered my question about "what is the point of telling us all this" b/c obviously there is nothing we can do about it.
1)they're richer
2)according to him, they control every damn thing
3)" " ,they out number us heavily

not saying that it is pointless to be educated about some things. Knowledge is power, but this is an exception. What is the point in learning about this bable??? In other words, this would only help us if we were interested in joining the "Illuminati", in which you are so against.

12/3/2005 9:00:00 PM

Or so you think...

12/4/2005 2:00:25 PM

this is the part where he PMs you about the "resistance" hes started in his basement and the network all over the world keeping in touch through old telegraph lines.

12/4/2005 4:18:26 PM

these threads are terrible. these people are a wonderful group of guys who have done all kinds of great things for all kinds of people. personally, id trust them over the current government when it comes to leading this country. and why all the hatred for the zionists? my family has been zionist for as long as i remember, most people in our synagogue were.

12/5/2005 12:18:10 AM

It begins...

12/5/2005 12:20:09 AM

Im still waiting on him salisburyboy to answer me. He quote bombs the hell out of everyone else when it comes to this stuff. all i want is an honest answer (not a quote catastrophe), on what the hell is the purppose for telling us all this. If he is forming a resistance movement:then there is a purpose. If not what is????

12/5/2005 1:31:01 AM

It's just another variety of attentionwhoritis; the paranoid strain.

12/5/2005 1:47:03 AM

12/5/2005 2:21:36 AM

Quote :

"whats the point in learning about all this, if there is nothing *we* can do about this? Obviously this is out of our control. This is just a fear tactic."

Well, your premise is incorrect. Resistance is not futile.

12/5/2005 8:11:50 AM

so the fucking borg are in on it too?

we're doomed

12/5/2005 10:12:03 AM

But you still didn't answer the question. Oh, in other words, my guess is that you are trying to form some sort of resistance movement by telling us this?

Lets cut the chase. If your intentions are to form a resistance group, then be honest. On top of that, you make it seem as if resistance was futile in this situation. I mean, what are we supposed to do?
Please tell me. Im eager to know what the hell can we possibly do? s

12/5/2005 10:24:58 AM

I'm not trying to form a "group." I posted this (as with nearly everything else I post) to share knowledge with others. Based on knowledge (eg, of the truth about 9/11, the illuminati, the new world order and the drive for global government) a movement has grown (and continues to grow) that opposes the plans of the conspirators for this "new world order" and world government. This opposition or "reistance" is, by and large, leaderless and unorganized. It is composed of millions of people around the world who are informed and are taking action on an individual level.

I'm not trying to suggest that resistance is futile. If so, I wouldn't be trying to expose the truth about them and their actions (ie, 9/11, war in Iraq, etc.). It is true that the situation is very difficult because the globalists have a lot of power, but it is not hopeless. The great masses greatly outnumber this small group of elite, and if enough of them were informed and willing to resist, they could defeat them. The problem is that such a small portion of the masses are informed and know the truth.

What we can do is become knowledgeable and inform as many others as we can. No change can take place until people learn the true facts. After more and more people know the truth, then the chances of changing things and a real resistance grow. The problem with achieving this is that the elite have a near monopoly on the mainstream media and are able to control the information released to the public. The internet has challenged their control over the dissemination of information. Thanks to the internet and the alternative media, many people are starting to wake up to the truth about what is really going on in the world. This has the globalist elite concerned, and there are going to be attacks on freedom of speech and attempts to censor or obtain control over the internet.

12/5/2005 11:32:33 AM

12/5/2005 11:43:33 AM

Quote :

"The great masses greatly outnumber this small group of elite."

So many of these "elite" are there? Can we get an exact number?

12/5/2005 12:34:53 PM

THEY ARE OUT TO STEAL MY MAJIC BAG!!

12/5/2005 12:41:20 PM

If the globalists/elite/illuminati are as powerful and wealthy as you say they are then why on earth do you not think they have the ability to cotnrol the internet. Hell, "big business" controls the backbone/infrastructure of the Internet so why couldn't they be using it to alter postings, even on sites like Alex Jones, to distort the truth. This is why, as I posted earlier, that I think all the info you have on Masons being Satanists/Luciferians, world-conquerers, and so forth is all disinformation campaign by the real Illuminati to distract people like you from the truth. Alex Jones is not a free thinker. He is a well placed puppet of the shadow government sent to fill the minds of truth seekers with false truths about the Illuminati (who they are and what they do). Think about it... how else could he get such in-depth and concrete iformation with insider sources unless he is actually one of them. Alex Jones is the devil!

[Edited on December 5, 2005 at 12:56 PM. Reason : .winnar]

12/5/2005 12:55:39 PM

^^great point, and well put. How do we know the "real truth". What are signs that the veil over the veil is removed? You say that the elite manipulate the media, that speaks for itself. Some of these conspiracies are very convincing. But, you have to question the source. I want to know what gives you so much faith in these people (prison planet) to relentlessly spread this information? is it intuition?

Im not trying to be a jerk or in any way. I just want to know what fuels you (<--you've already answered) and how do you know that it is not myth (created by the shadow gov to muddy the waters)?

12/5/2005 3:36:12 PM

Quote :

"I want to know what gives you so much faith in these people (prison planet) to relentlessly spread this information? is it intuition?"

What gives others "so much faith" in CNN, ABC, CBS, and the rest of the "mainstream" media? Most people will only believe something if they read it in the hometown paper, the NY Times, or see it on CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS, or NBC.

Alex Jones has been leader in the alternative media in exposing the truth about 9/11 and the advancing police state. I believe that Alex Jones is genuinely interested in exposing and reporting the truth on a variety of issues. That said, I don't trust that everything reported by Alex Jones or by prisonplanet is accurate. As I have discussed before, I disagree with Alex Jones on several issues. I guess it's remotely possible that Jones is a "government agent", but I think that is VERY unlikely. Now, do I think Jones may be "influenced" in some ways (eg, told/warned by certain "higher ups" not to discuss certain issues)? I think that is somewhat possible.

Even if you think Alex Jones is leading people astray in some areas (whatever that might be), that would take nothing away from the truth in other areas, such as the fact that the government is lying about the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11. For example, Alex Jones didn't "dream up" the videos showing that there were multiple bombs in the Murrah Building. He didn't fabricate the mountain of evidence showing that the official story on 9/11 is full of holes.

One more point about Jones' websites, including prisonplanet. As I've said so many times, approximtely 80-85% of the content on his sites are articles from "mainstream" sources. What is unique about the site is that he gathers stories and information relevant to the issues that he thinks are most important (ie, encroaching police state, 9/11, etc.).

12/5/2005 4:28:51 PM

the problem isn't the sources
its the whacky, unfounded conclusions he makes from them
and then the way you buy it
and copy/paste it here
you fucking puppet

12/5/2005 4:30:29 PM

Quote :

" I believe that Alex Jones is genuinely interested in exposing and reporting the truth on a variety of issues."

okay. Why?

Quote :

"Now, do I think Jones may be "influenced" in some ways (eg, told/warned by certain "higher ups" not to discuss certain issues)I think that is somewhat possible. "

Tell the truth, but tell it slant eh'. Also contradicting what you just said.

Quote :

"I guess it's remotely possible that Jones is a "government agent", but I think that is VERY unlikely"

Why is that unlikely?explain. Your statement is counterintuitive. If Jones is so renowned for spreading info, he would be the prime target/tool of the "higher ups"

[Edited on December 5, 2005 at 4:53 PM. Reason : .]

12/5/2005 4:49:33 PM

Quote :

"Alex Jones has been leader in the alternative media in exposing the truth about 9/11 and the advancing police state. I believe that Alex Jones is genuinely interested in exposing and reporting the truth on a variety of issues. That said, I don't trust that everything reported by Alex Jones or by prisonplanet is accurate. As I have discussed before, I disagree with Alex Jones on several issues. I guess it's remotely possible that Jones is a "government agent", but I think that is VERY unlikely. Now, do I think Jones may be "influenced" in some ways (eg, told/warned by certain "higher ups" not to discuss certain issues)? I think that is somewhat possible."

Of course it seems unlikely that Alex Jones would be a puppet for the shadow government and Zionist global elites but that is the beauty of their plan. They've convinced you and others that he is one of the sources for the truth and you buy into it while distracting you from reality. They've turned you against the good works of the Masons by making you believe that they are satanists and luciferians when its really the illuminati conducting a slander campaign to stop the competition. For an organization with a history of such overt yet covert operations what better role to infiltrate than as the exposers of the "truth" that way they can dictate who the "real" enemies are and outline sinister government plots according to their own long term goals and further bury the true intentions of the globalist elite.

Quote :

"Even if you think Alex Jones is leading people astray in some areas (whatever that might be), that would take nothing away from the truth in other areas, such as the fact that the government is lying about the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11. For example, Alex Jones didn't "dream up" the videos showing that there were multiple bombs in the Murrah Building. He didn't fabricate the mountain of evidence showing that the official story on 9/11 is full of holes. "

Everyone knows that a spy is going to have to give some legit information or he will be figured out. Besides, if they have the technology to project holographic planes over tomahawk cruise missiles then why couldn't they have the ability to edit video footage to show that bombs were used by the Masons to murder the masses when in fact they didn't, it only serves to further promote the slander of Free Masons and law-abiding government employees. If the Bush Administration could fabricate the evidence to show that Al Qaeda/Iraq blew up the WTC then why couldn't Alex Jones and his even more powerful and wealthier compadres (The Rothschilds et al) produce their own faked evidence to show an alternative? I mean they are the elite controlling cabal of the world, no? Think of it as a Matrix within a Matrix idea: the Illuminati is fooling you by showing you an alternative reality that is also in fact false.

12/5/2005 4:53:19 PM

So i guess my questions go unanswered once again. Back your reasons for giving credence to Alex Jones why don't you.

12/6/2005 12:54:42 AM

Notice the 3 "stars" on the Republican party logo. They are inverted pentagrams. Originally, the logo had conventional "stars" (ie, pointing upwards). I heard that the logo was changed some time in the late 1990's.

12/7/2005 11:28:23 AM

So stars and triangles are symbols of the global elite?

You're getting pretty far out there, little buddy.

12/7/2005 11:34:09 AM

You forgot about this! We can defeat this together.. We must stop Alex Jones and his cohorts in the Thundercats Illuminati if there is any hope for humanity!

Quote :

"Alex Jones has been leader in the alternative media in exposing the truth about 9/11 and the advancing police state. I believe that Alex Jones is genuinely interested in exposing and reporting the truth on a variety of issues. That said, I don't trust that everything reported by Alex Jones or by prisonplanet is accurate. As I have discussed before, I disagree with Alex Jones on several issues. I guess it's remotely possible that Jones is a "government agent", but I think that is VERY unlikely. Now, do I think Jones may be "influenced" in some ways (eg, told/warned by certain "higher ups" not to discuss certain issues)? I think that is somewhat possible."

Of course it seems unlikely that Alex Jones would be a puppet for the shadow government and Zionist global elites but that is the beauty of their plan. They've convinced you and others that he is one of the sources for the truth and you buy into it while distracting you from reality. They've turned you against the good works of the Masons by making you believe that they are satanists and luciferians when its really the illuminati conducting a slander campaign to stop the competition. For an organization with a history of such overt yet covert operations what better role to infiltrate than as the exposers of the "truth" that way they can dictate who the "real" enemies are and outline sinister government plots according to their own long term goals and further bury the true intentions of the globalist elite.

Quote :

"Even if you think Alex Jones is leading people astray in some areas (whatever that might be), that would take nothing away from the truth in other areas, such as the fact that the government is lying about the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11. For example, Alex Jones didn't "dream up" the videos showing that there were multiple bombs in the Murrah Building. He didn't fabricate the mountain of evidence showing that the official story on 9/11 is full of holes. "

Everyone knows that a spy is going to have to give some legit information or he will be figured out. Besides, if they have the technology to project holographic planes over tomahawk cruise missiles then why couldn't they have the ability to edit video footage to show that bombs were used by the Masons to murder the masses when in fact they didn't, it only serves to further promote the slander of Free Masons and law-abiding government employees. If the Bush Administration could fabricate the evidence to show that Al Qaeda/Iraq blew up the WTC then why couldn't Alex Jones and his even more powerful and wealthier compadres (The Rothschilds et al) produce their own faked evidence to show an alternative? I mean they are the elite controlling cabal of the world, no? Think of it as a Matrix within a Matrix idea: the Illuminati is fooling you by showing you an alternative reality that is also in fact false.

12/7/2005 4:34:17 PM

Quote :

"Notice the 3 "stars" on the Republican party logo. They are inverted pentagrams. Originally, the logo had conventional "stars" (ie, pointing upwards). I heard that the logo was changed some time in the late 1990's. "

Wait a sec, an "inverted pentagram"?... Those are just upside down stars. A pentagram
must be drawn using just lines. I mean, the word "pentagram" literally translates to "five lines". A filled in pentagram is just a star. The line construct is vital to the pentagram's importance or meaning. Filling it in takes away any significance. I'm not sure why you call it inverted either as orientation of the pentagram is irrelevant. Also, there is no circle around the "pentagram" here as there is in the 20th century Satanic pentagram symbol or a pentagon around it like in the Masonic symbol. So basically the only commonality here is that its a 5 point shape of equal proportions.

12/7/2005 4:52:56 PM