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"02.08.2005"

12/8/2005 1:43:02 PM

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"It is because he chose morocco. Why didn't he chose a country like Italy if he was making the statement that anyone from anywhere can be malnourished? "

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"where did he compare it to the united states? "

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"moreover, what was chauvinistic about him saying Morroco is malnourished? "

12/8/2005 2:02:38 PM

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"02.08.2005"

you realize that's august, right?

12/8/2005 2:03:54 PM

mm-dd-yyyy

12/8/2005 2:09:27 PM

12/8/2005 2:10:28 PM

it is august though, stupid fucking foreigners have to be different

12/8/2005 2:11:42 PM

lots (if not the majority) of countries write their dates this way. perhaps we're the ones trying to be different. or maybe we're just different for no real reason at all. perhaps the big ocean between us is the only reason for the difference.

12/8/2005 2:18:30 PM

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"where did he compare it to the united states?"

he compared it to the United States when he picked the country out of the hat and said, his comments amount malnourishment. It was an implication that Morocco is backwards compared to the United States.

12/8/2005 3:37:40 PM

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"Kind of like when a death row inmate is exonerated they free them and say, "My bad." God forbid you have any such cognitive dissonance."

i dont think im an idiot and i dont really get how thats the same, we are talking about someone being illegally brutally tortured.

so i guess you are saying the us just let him go?

[Edited on December 8, 2005 at 3:50 PM. Reason : im not trying to make a point, i just really dont know the story]

12/8/2005 3:49:44 PM

from what I understand, when the US realize Mr. al-Masri had nothing to do with any terrorism they let him go.

12/8/2005 3:52:42 PM

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"Why didn't he chose a country like Italy if he was making the statement that anyone from anywhere can be malnourished?"

Because I think malnourishment is a bigger deal in Morocco than it is in Italy or America, for one thing. Not as big a deal as Afghanistan, though.

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"Because you compared Morrocco to fucking Afghanistan you dumbshit."

No, I didn't. I said that Afghanistan had a significant malnutrion problem and that Morocco wasn't a paragon of nutritional excellence, both of which I stand by.

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"Kind of like when a death row inmate is exonerated they free them and say, "My bad.""

The differences here are numerous:

1) A released inmate is usually compensated monetarily
2) No international law has been violated in the course of the DR guy's imprisonment, so there is nothing to fear from him speaking out.

If US military officials were going to violate international and American law in such an obvious and greivous way, I have trouble believing they would just let the evidence walk away. If they were bad enough to torture the guy, you mean they weren't bad enough to shoot him and dump the body?

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"It was an implication that Morocco is backwards compared to the United States."

Morocco is backwards compared to the United States. It has a governing monarchy, for Christ's sake.

12/8/2005 4:36:10 PM

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"OMFG we went to war over accounts from a few people who hated Saddam? Why didn't they get better intelligence before believing what these few people said?"

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"OMFG why don't you believe this one person who hates Bush? Why do you need more information before believing we cut penises?"

12/9/2005 2:20:54 AM

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"In the view expressed by the Justice Department memo, which differs from the view of the Army, physical torture "must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death." For a cruel or inhuman psychological technique to rise to the level of mental torture, the Justice Department argued, the psychological harm must last "months or even years.""

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26401-2004Jun8.html

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"When UPI's Pam Hess asked about torture by Iraqi authorities, Rumsfeld replied that "obviously, the United States does not have a responsibility" other than to voice disapproval. But Pace had a different view. "It is the absolute responsibility of every U.S. service member, if they see inhumane treatment being conducted, to intervene, to stop it," the general said. Rumsfeld interjected: "I don't think you mean they have an obligation to physically stop it; it's to report it." But Pace meant what he said. "If they are physically present when inhumane treatment is taking place, sir, they have an obligation to try to stop it," he said, firmly."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/29/AR2005112901405.html

Basically, the Bush administration believes in the use of torture while our military does not.

12/9/2005 6:42:32 AM

We don't have a history of torture, secret torture, torture by proxy, or spreading misinformation.

[Edited on December 9, 2005 at 9:36 AM. Reason : xfsd]

12/9/2005 9:35:44 AM

so apparently noticing differences between the US and any country now makes you excessivley patriotic and chauvinistic

12/9/2005 9:57:29 AM

Yeah, we've NEVER essentially kidnapped people and tortured them.

Nope, never ever. We never had concentration camps either.

(Japanese Americans, WWII- dont even TELL me we havent done this stupid shit before, becuase we have).

12/9/2005 10:05:51 AM

Calling the internment camps "concentration camps" never ceases to get old.

Yes, in the strictest sense of the word, they were conc. camps -- we concentrated populations there. But you know full fucking well that term invokes certain images that have nothing to do with our treatment of the Japanese. Quit trying to be a sensationalist bitch.

12/9/2005 12:44:10 PM

I agree, the internment camps, although horrible, were not the same as concentration camps created by germany or japan. They weren't like gulags created by N. Korea or Russia either.

12/9/2005 4:56:19 PM

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" Quit trying to be a sensationalist bitch."

if she did that, she'd be like every other liberal: without a fucking a leg to stand on (*cough* Max Cleland *cough*)

12/9/2005 9:37:24 PM

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"I agree, the internment camps, although horrible, were not the same as concentration camps created by germany or japan."

You are confusing extermination camps with concentration camps

thx u.

As for Grumpy, I'm done with him. He is close-minded and so narrow in his thinking that George Bush can do no wrong, even when George Bush does wrong.


^poor joke. you should be ashamed.

[Edited on December 11, 2005 at 1:08 PM. Reason : .]

12/11/2005 1:07:02 PM

No, I'm not talkinga bout just extermination. There were many experiments and tortures carried out on their captives in the concentration camps. I don't think they had that in California.

12/11/2005 1:09:26 PM

I love how the liberals automatically assume that a known terrorist is telling the truth when his implications could potentially hurt the US. If it can't be verified then its irrelevant.

12/11/2005 1:14:12 PM

if he were a known terrorist, do you think they'd release him?

12/11/2005 2:12:35 PM

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"You are confusing extermination camps with concentration camps"

The technical definintion is irrelevant. When people here "concentration camp," they think almost exclusively of one thing, one which is very different from the camps we had in this country during the war. Ergo, to accuse us of having concentration camps, while technically true, is really sensationalism, and false.

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"He is close-minded and so narrow in his thinking that George Bush can do no wrong, even when George Bush does wrong."

And you're so close-minded that you simply block out any occasion on which I disagreed with the President or the Republican Party in general from your memory.

So it's a convenient relationship.

12/11/2005 5:21:29 PM

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"He is close-minded and so narrow in his thinking that George Bush can do no wrong, even when George Bush does wrong. "

i don't like bush and think he can do a lot of things wrong and im not ready to buy this story yet. i guess i haven't completely blown it off as untrue, but i have a hard time beleiving they would torture him like that and then just let him go.

12/11/2005 5:26:47 PM

what are they suppose to do, torture him and go oh shit, he ain't a terrorist. Let's continue torturuing him anyway.

^^I don't ever remember you at all disagreeing with the administration

^^Maybe we should call all but the extermination camps internment camps because concentration camp is loaded.

12/12/2005 9:41:06 AM

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"oh damn, he isnt a terrorist...what do you do? Eh lets just shoot him"

-some dude in the military

12/12/2005 9:52:48 AM

i think thats exactly what they would do

12/12/2005 9:52:48 AM

I don't think that two guys who are big enough assholes to torture somebody are going to fall short of being a big enough asshole to shoot an innocent person to protect themselves.

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"Maybe we should call all but the extermination camps internment camps because concentration camp is loaded."

Even in the Nazi camps whose express purpose was not extermination, there was slave labor and a blind eye towards rampant starvation and death. Basically nothing the Nazis had was remotely similar to the things we had, except in the "they're both places you put people" sense.

12/12/2005 11:53:11 AM

or the starvation, depriving one of property, shoddy houses and of course slave labor. all of which happened in our "internment camps"

12/12/2005 2:40:23 PM

I've always found it interesting that they didn't have internment camps in Hawaii.

12/12/2005 5:21:33 PM

^ Im gonna troll here, but thats because the majority of the population was Japanese, if they put them in camps, the islands economy would collapse.

12/12/2005 6:04:47 PM

That and it would have been a lot harder to actually force that % of the population into them.

Like I said, interesting.

The camps on the mainland made a statement like all of the other jap hating propaganda at the time.

12/12/2005 10:30:42 PM