this is a COOL tool...you can compare any 2 teams in the country with rpi, sos, etc

duke is #1 rpi and #7 sos right now

duke vs nc state

http://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2006/compare/Duke/North%20Carolina%20State

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 8:54 PM. Reason : /]

12/7/2005 8:53:12 PM

did he just call redick a great defender?


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

12/7/2005 8:53:49 PM

Also UConn is #27 in the RPI??!?!! Yea that makes sense.. it's not like they played crap teams so far..

12/7/2005 8:53:59 PM

this one has duke 3, uconn 23

http://rpiratings.com/mensrpi.html

RPI is a lot of different things...not just who you've played

Quote :

"Factor I is the team's Division I winning percentage and is 25 percent of the RPI. Games against non-Division I opponents are not included in the normal RPI. For the men, beginning in 2004-05, home wins are weighted 0.6, neutral wins 1.0, and road wins count 1.4, with similar weights given to losses. Factor II is the team's opponents' Division I winning percentage, or the team's schedule strength, excluding results against the team in question. It is 50 percent of the RPI. Factor III is the team's opponents' opponents' Division I winning percentage, or the team's opponents' strength of schedule, excluding results against the team in question. Factor III is 25 percent of the RPI. Factor IV is the bonus/penalty portion of the RPI and when used in conjunction with Factors I, II, and III is called the Adjusted RPI. It is used only for the women's RPI at this time. "

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 8:56 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2005 8:55:37 PM

guess what -- the the formulas don't mean dick if the rankings are incorrect.

hell, they don't mean dick regardless. it's a blunt tool


[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 8:57 PM. Reason : 4564]

12/7/2005 8:55:56 PM

at least speak english...come on now

12/7/2005 8:57:09 PM

^^^ I understand that. They have also beaten everyone and blown the teams out they were supposed to. I'm not sure I understand ALL the components but I fail to see how that SOS is 137 like that site says comparing it heads up with Duke.

I mean it's poinitless to do this early in the season though but still..

FYI gg UVA.. losing on your home floor to 1-6 Fordham!

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 8:57 PM. Reason : f]

12/7/2005 8:57:25 PM

haha but UVA has a high RPI

rankings, rpi, and sos don't mean that much...i was just posting it as a reference to the scheduling discussion...

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 8:59 PM. Reason : /]

12/7/2005 8:58:46 PM

they dont matter right now
come Feb. or march they have some importance

12/7/2005 9:00:31 PM

exactly. with every game played they become more accurate because it eliminates fluke wins and losses and takes more of an objective look (statistically that is)

ESPN's graphic just had duke as #19 in the country...foreshadowing?

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 9:02 PM. Reason : /]

12/7/2005 9:01:20 PM

tech only down by 10 cmonnnn come back u dickwads

ACC is lookin terrible this year

MARYLANDS ONLY UP BY 4 TO W. CAROLINA!

12/7/2005 9:05:48 PM

shav randolph has 10 points and 7 boards in 9 minutes for philly so far

12/7/2005 9:08:53 PM

Isnt Fordham Derrick Whittenberg's team? If so way to go NCSU great!

12/7/2005 9:10:37 PM

in other news, notre dame beat #19 alabama tonight. that makes our notre damn win look better, but now if we beat alabama it wont look as good.

12/7/2005 9:20:20 PM

way to read page 1^

ur a quick one

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 9:27 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2005 9:27:22 PM

And UNC's trailing St. Louis by a couple right now.

12/7/2005 9:31:36 PM

i hung out with Marcus Ginyard last year before Halloween, hes actually a cool guy...kinda quiet at first though but is actually very intelligent about the ACC. i tried to convince him to go to STate but that didnt go over well. in 2 years UNC is gonna be a really really good team, same with Duke in about 3.

12/7/2005 9:34:21 PM

adam morrison for player of the year...

i doubt foye would ever get that kind of recognition...i am an allen ray guy myself

12/7/2005 9:34:24 PM

This game (St. Louis @ UNC) is horrible.

Both teams are missing layups and easy shots, and pretty much just handing the ball off to defenders.

12/7/2005 9:36:32 PM

both teams suck at shooting

12/7/2005 9:38:07 PM

it's clear we are more athletic that both duke and carolina. Too bad we run a retarded offense.

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 9:43 PM. Reason : sdf]

12/7/2005 9:42:48 PM

I don't think run-and-gun is the way to beat either Duke or UNC. Defending the transition game is the way to stop UNC; running the court puts them in their territory. And with Duke, trying to run puts you at risk of turning the ball over to their trapping defense (we'll see how Texas handles it, though).

12/7/2005 9:46:04 PM

^^our offense is the perfect solution to duke's over aggressive defense, and it'll be a good counter-attack to the n00bery of the unc team.

12/7/2005 9:51:46 PM

LETS GO ST. LOUIS!

12/7/2005 9:53:10 PM

^^^that's a strawman where you don't even defeat the strawman.

1. UNC is too young of a team to defend the break or run it themselves. They are more likely to fuck up than the other team.
2. It doesn't even make sense to say that running is bad against duke's trap. The trap works when they have time to set it up. durrrr
3. Have you watched any of their games? Both teams suck at defending the interior and defending dribble penetration. Duke is 1 deep inside, and UNC is too inexperienced.
4. ^^Our offense is not the only way to defeat pressure.

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 9:56 PM. Reason : dsaf]

12/7/2005 9:54:52 PM

nonono. ive said this all along and get flamed everytime. ncstate would be a POWER if herb ran a regular offense. everything is in place except for a system. ncstates should at worst be right behind duke and carolina and way above wake.

this princeton offense will NEVER win a championship and will never be consistent. it can be good but not great. FIRE HERB

12/7/2005 9:56:53 PM

i didnt say it was the only way, just that it was perfect for it.

12/7/2005 9:57:42 PM

^what's our record against duke, again?

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 10:03 PM. Reason : sdf]

12/7/2005 10:03:10 PM

I've said this a million times. If herb would employ the offense we are running right now, but try to keep an up-tempo game, we would be really good.


We never play well when trying to slow down games. I mean fuck, we were slowing the ball down while we were losing with a minute to play against Iowa. The sad thing is that our team is good enough to run. The great part about the princeton offense is that all of your players learn how to pass and make cuts. We need to get down court quickly before defenses set and start making those cuts. Fuck running the shot clock down. All thats gonna do is let the defense rest while we pussy foot around.

If our players get tired, yank their asses...we have 8 or 9 players that can play...fuck em.

12/7/2005 10:04:27 PM

people say it every year too: if we run our offense well, it's unstoppable.

Even if you buy that garbage, the probability of all of our pieces coming together on one night against a good team is so low, we lose too much. I'd be happy if two of our players became really good at a pick and roll. It's simple, it's easy for them to perfect, and it's a pretty productive play. It's much more reliable than waiting for our players to read the tea leaves out on the court.


and someone please slap hansborough

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 10:12 PM. Reason : dsf]

12/7/2005 10:11:24 PM

bethel
cam
atsur
brackman
evtimov
simmons
grant
fells
costner
mccauley

more then enough guys to play up-tempo

12/7/2005 10:11:52 PM

we've won a couple vs. duke...its a start.

12/7/2005 10:17:31 PM

St Louis is back in this, lets go...gotta get something really going

3 pointer yesssssss

12/7/2005 10:24:20 PM

^^we are 2-10 against duke since 2000. A 16% record is an example of a perfect system for defeating duke?????


[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 10:38 PM. Reason : V even better]

12/7/2005 10:26:08 PM

2-10 = .200 is a perfect example of good math?

12/7/2005 10:34:57 PM

Hansbrough is K Lang reincarnate!!!

12/7/2005 10:36:08 PM

isn't it better that UNC have the best record as possible so that the win is that much sweeter when NCSU beats them?

12/7/2005 10:36:31 PM

i just said the system was perfect. i didnt say we ran it perfectly.

12/7/2005 10:37:28 PM

^sophistry at it's finest


In theory, communism works...

12/7/2005 10:39:40 PM

i hate hansborough a lot

12/7/2005 10:40:22 PM

Quote :

"1. UNC is too young of a team to defend the break or run it themselves. They are more likely to fuck up than the other team."

Bullshit. The best thing they do right now is running the transition game. It's the perfect style for those freshmen--they're young but they're athletic. So instead of using half-court plays, they rely on the transition scores (and you can even see some of that in the game tonight, even as they play like ass). Add to that the fact that Williams's teams traditionally don't develop a good half-court offense, so if you stop the transition game they struggle to score.

Quote :

"2. It doesn't even make sense to say that running is bad against duke's trap. The trap works when they have time to set it up. durrrr"

You can run traps on the fullcourt, too. Durrrr.

Quote :

"3. Have you watched any of their games? Both teams suck at defending the interior and defending dribble penetration. Duke is 1 deep inside, and UNC is too inexperienced."

I don't see what this has to do with anything I said. In fact, saying settling into the halfcourt is a viable way to attack both of them agrees with me.

12/7/2005 10:41:06 PM

saint louis is blowing it

12/7/2005 10:43:34 PM

whats better: saying our system could work because, if ran properly, it would take advantage of weaknesses in both teams' defenses? or saying "hey if we change our offense, we'll win!!"

[Edited on December 7, 2005 at 10:44 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2005 10:43:59 PM

i'm gonna go ahead and admit, the ref's are helping unc out

12/7/2005 10:44:28 PM

Is the Saint Louis coach the guy that took over for Dick Bennett at Wisconsin for like one year?

12/7/2005 10:44:38 PM

i've seen two blocks that should've been charges and numerous hooking fouls, but right when i complained to a friend about the hooking, they called one on unc, so i applauded the refs for that one.

hansbrough is easily the biggest douche in the ACC this season.

12/7/2005 10:46:42 PM

i don't see how that's possible with guys like redick and milknhoney

12/7/2005 10:48:18 PM

Filling Chris Paul's shoes is going to be tough for any of them.

12/7/2005 10:49:02 PM

well redick is more of a prick than a douche. i did forget about melchionni.

12/7/2005 10:51:40 PM

games over

AYOUKISS is out

12/7/2005 10:52:54 PM