didn't you know that everyone duke plays is overrated

12/10/2005 3:35:26 PM

i didn't catch the game. was dook that good or was texas that bad

12/10/2005 3:37:26 PM

Both.

Redick dropped 41.

[Edited on December 10, 2005 at 3:38 PM. Reason : ^^ I hope that's sarcasm. The only team I'd rather see them beat this badly is UConn.]

12/10/2005 3:38:08 PM

Duke was that good, especially Shelden and JJ

Tucker for Texas was awesome, just didn't get many opportunities to run the type of game he likes, fast-paced, etc...

12/10/2005 3:38:16 PM

the miracle shot has kept them alive this year

they arent #1 in the nation still though

12/10/2005 3:38:40 PM

K, so they beat the #2 team in the nation by 31, but they're not a legitimate #1.

12/10/2005 3:39:18 PM

they will be #1 in the nation until someone beats them...common sense

12/10/2005 3:40:27 PM

Not to mention, this early in the season they've beaten 3 top 25 teams.

But hey, they're not really that good...right?

12/10/2005 3:42:10 PM

jt3bucky------>trahscan

and somebody on this thread was saying they wish rick barnes was ncstates coach. i told you he wasnt a great coach and also dockery and pretty much contained gibson

12/10/2005 3:47:51 PM

they squeaked out a miracle win over VIRGINIA TECH and you are telling me they are the best team in the country? hell no...hellllllllllllll no...they are far from it, JJ just had an incredible game today because no one could guard him, Texas cannot match up against them AT ALL

they will lose to Bucknell put it down mark it and put a dash with my name beside it make it mine

12/10/2005 4:19:50 PM

its impossible for a team to have an off game? but when duke brings it, i.e. today, they are the best in the country

12/10/2005 4:21:24 PM

well once they start havin numerous off games then what...its still a fluke?

Bucknell wins

you cant play duke with a guard system and no defenders...it doesnt work K will out coach you everytime...u gotta match up man for man especially with williams and have defenders that can take away JJ

Bucknell

12/10/2005 4:24:33 PM

^I don't know about all that, but it's clear that texas was outcoached. They were not right on either side of the ball. Anyway, duke beat MSU early last year, but lost to them when it counted.

12/10/2005 4:29:09 PM

if they are far from #1 name all the teams that have been more impressive and dont forget to take texas off the list. its college basketball. everyteam has bad games and loses (most seasons). you are just a pure hater. its truly sad.


http://jjvstexas.ytmnd.com/

12/10/2005 4:30:38 PM

JT3Bucky, you are showing yourself to be retarded. did you watch the whole game today? Texas is fucking awesome and Duke completely shut down their offense. if they are not the number one team in the country, then no one is

12/10/2005 4:41:57 PM

Nova, Gonzaga, Indiana, Uconn, with the win today Loisville and even MSU


all those team could beat Duke due to a good matchup on the inside and excellent guards on the outside

^ I watched it and know Duke and know how coach K works, he knows how to outcoach these sloppy little coaches who are all about offense and forget that defense is where it is at, Texas cannot guard anyone at all, and did u see the trouble Duke was havin with Tucker...that should tell u something about their weakness...JJ had a terrible defensive man guarding him...thats why Texas lost...i've said it time and time again

take away Williams from the basket and JJ from gettin easy looks and you can beat Duke.



[Edited on December 10, 2005 at 4:48 PM. Reason : i actually used to be a Duke fan, so get off these nutz]

12/10/2005 4:45:44 PM

uconn and duke --------> nova---------->eveyone else

12/10/2005 4:46:33 PM

wait, duke already beat indiana. what are you talking about

12/10/2005 4:51:40 PM

They looked more impressive then I thought today. Personally it's pretty clear there are 3 Top teams and then the rest.

Duke, UConn, Villanova (when/if Sumpter gets back they are probably the best) ... the rest.

Texas and Louisville (although undef.) are probably Top 10 teams but NO WHERE NEAR the talent level of the other 3.

JJ looked unstoppable but he is racking up minutes at a 2002-2004 rate and that is NOT good for March. We'll see if K starts rotating him out a bit more because that always seems to cost them a game against a deep team come NCAA Tourney time.

All around damn impressive performance today though. I think they solidified the #1 ranking. Until Coach K can prove he can beat Jim Calhoun head to head I'll stick with UConn as my national championship favorite though.

[Edited on December 10, 2005 at 4:57 PM. Reason : Yea, I'm a homer! ]

12/10/2005 4:56:06 PM

I wish Duke played UConn every year. They're bound to win one of them dammit.

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"wait, duke already beat indiana. what are you talking about"

Through arguing w/JT3bucky...

12/10/2005 5:13:44 PM

Someone just increased their NBA salary next year... don't you guys think?

12/10/2005 5:14:02 PM

No comment.

12/10/2005 5:18:25 PM

and everyone seems to forget that duke has won all of these games without arguably their 3rd best player. demarcus nelson wouldve been a much better matchup for someone like pj tucker than jj guarding him and jj wasnt getting easy looks. at least 5 of his 3s were the kind where you go "damn, what can i do". the minutes dont matter to jj hes proved he doesnt get tired. the reason he has struggled in ncaas isnt because hes been shut down or tired hes just flat choked. if i recall he missed several wiiide open short 3s in the 1-11 game against kansas.

and thats it. i will no longer be trolled by jtbuckey

[Edited on December 10, 2005 at 5:36 PM. Reason : and of course teams can beat duke. anybody can beat anybody]

12/10/2005 5:35:50 PM

wow.... still waiting to see highlights of this game

12/10/2005 5:58:15 PM

meant to put illinois douchessssss, i follow college bball with the best of em, u know i wouldnt have put that if i had caught it, i havent been called out for being wrong yet when yall think im so wrong, so far all of the stuff i say on here has been pretty true

Illini...my bad my bad

12/10/2005 6:12:13 PM

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"just think if we had Rick Barnes here...look at this game, and look at the last Iowa game."

12/10/2005 7:03:17 PM

I'll say duke deserves to be number one right now but I still don't think they will be the team to beat in march

if you look at their stats it's JJ, shelden and then the highest point per game is 7.6 from Sean Dockery

I can't remember a number one team so reliant on two players, can anyone else?

and they still don't really have a creator on offense besides JJ's right hand and a screener

I don't think their freshmen are quite living up to expectations and that's going to reveal itself as a big problem in the next couple of months

marvin williams averaged 11 points a game playing off the bench between two double digit scorers so don't give me this shelden is taking all of mcrobert's shots stuff

12/10/2005 7:42:37 PM

^demarcus nelson is thhe 3rd best guy on this team. hes the slashing scorer of this team and the key defender for guys like tucker. and what makes him so much better is after working over the summer he is hitting the outside shot consistently. if he can do that after the injury he'll do very well

how can you deny the fact that paulus is a great creator

and almost any team ever would be screwed if you took away their best 2 players. look at unc last year without felton. living proof. uconn the year before with gorden and okafor.

no matter what duke does you guys will still nit pick. i dont know why i waste my time. if beating the #2 team by 31 doesnt show you then nothing will.

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"" it's absurd to say potential all american vs a role player is a cancel""

it obviously wasnt absurd because it happened. dockery "ate gibsons lunch" as the espn reporter put it and completely interupted texas' hailed offense

dukes freshmen arent living up? mcroberts paulus and pocius have all showed signs of brilliance, today and in other games. boateng and boykin are the 2 that statement is true about.

[Edited on December 10, 2005 at 8:16 PM. Reason : waste my time not wast my team]

12/10/2005 8:15:27 PM

god i fucking hate Duke

12/10/2005 8:21:01 PM

^^
for god's sake I said duke deserved to be ranked number one right now

but it's a lot easier to nitpick a team like duke then UConn who is loaded at every position

the stats I look at still considered Nelson's averages before he got injured so I fail to see your point

Paulus is a decent creator but not the leader on the natl title team type of creator, what is he averaging like four assists?

the whole reason people picked duke pre season number one after losing Ewing without a developing star to replace him was because they expected their freshmen to come in immediately and be stars

right now they haven't shown they can function beyond role players consistently, this year that is; it sounds like a lot to ask but thats exactly why I didn't pick duke as pre season #1 myself

my point is if duke is going to cut the nets they need more then "flashes of brilliance"

12/10/2005 8:34:24 PM

hell, maybe UNC will repeat

12/10/2005 8:44:27 PM

and sheldon and jj are more than flashes of brilliance. you dont need 3 all americans to win a championship. you make your first mistake by judging everybody off stats. nelson was shooting over 50% and over 40% from 3 he just didnt take alot of shots. paulus has already been able to run the offense without many turnovers against two of the best pgs in the nation. hes come a long way already and i didnt even think he would be starting until january.

and great role players make great teams. the key to winning isnt having 5 scoresrs. you just saw what happened to texas who has 3 great scoresrs a good shooter and a good bigman. plus, any of dockery paulus melchioni or nelson have shown they can get in double figures any given night

the points you guys make are the reasons duke isnt a perfect team right now. every team has strenghts and weaknesses.

12/10/2005 8:56:48 PM

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"I can't remember a number one team so reliant on two players, can anyone else?"

Marcus Camby for umass.

12/10/2005 9:04:52 PM

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"i actually used to be a Duke fan"

actually, you were not, you just pulled for them beacuse they won all the time

12/10/2005 9:51:05 PM

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

brother went to Duke, thats why i pulled for them, thanks for tryin though, have a nice day

12/11/2005 1:11:53 AM

^JT3bucky...you lost all credibility i ever thought you had on sports talk in this thread. if you watch so much college basketball you would know that duke just had the most dominant performance against another great team so far this year...they completely shut down texas (aldridge, tucker, and gibson for the most part).

most of tucker's points came when guys off the bench were guarding him...and as others pointed out, duke is missing one of their best players in demarcus nelson. he is the best rebounder on duke's team, duke's best defender, a slasher, and a good 3 point shooter.

i watch almost every college basketball game that is televised (tv, dvr, computer video card) just to see how everyone is stacking up...and i honestly didn't think that duke would have made it undefeated to this point without nelson. the fact that they have further solidifies their ranking. and i agree with NyM410 that it's duke, uconn, nova and everyone else.

anyone, coach, player, fan, critic, that discredits duke's performance today is an uneducated college basketball fan. they completely dictated texas' style of play and executed their offense flawlessly.

that is all...-100 sports talk points for JT3bucky

[Edited on December 11, 2005 at 1:29 AM. Reason : .]

12/11/2005 1:28:43 AM

i said a longggg time ago texas was overrated...and lookie lookie, WHO HAVE THEY PLAYED!!!

we'll see fellas, we will see...its still early

12/11/2005 1:33:17 AM

you also said:

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"and as for national player of the year Foye or Ford"

in the Duke vs. Penn thread...ANY decent college basketball fan would know that TJ Ford is in the NBA now...

cause i know you didn't mean Sharrod

[Edited on December 11, 2005 at 1:43 AM. Reason : and if you did mean Sharrod...watch some College Basketball...]

12/11/2005 1:40:04 AM

meant Tucker, i qualifiied it in my next statement, way to take it out of context, good going on that one. and tucker showed why he is a candidate

12/11/2005 1:42:55 AM

Tucker sucked today actually...he took Texas out of their offense by rushing up the court solo to try to cut into the lead...he had a couple of bad charges...couldn't guard Redick, but insisted on talking junk to him...etc...etc...

No way that is a National Player of the Year...

Right now, IMO it's between Redick and Morrison...

and your post wasn't out of context...that was the entire post...

12/11/2005 1:45:02 AM

way to look at the next few post down and see where i qualified it

but we will see wont we...its still early, like i said just wait and see wait and see, texas is overrated Duke isnt as talented as everyone thinks...Bucknelll game, just wait...thats all i got for now

12/11/2005 1:46:10 AM

So what are you gonna say when Duke beats Bucknell?

They're overrated too right?

12/11/2005 1:56:29 AM

if anything Bucknells is underrated...Bucknell beats them

im done with this thread

12/11/2005 1:58:50 AM

That's what I wanted...Bucknell is underrated, but I don't think they can handle Duke...

12/11/2005 2:04:21 AM

bucknell loses by 20.... but you won't be back to acknowledge it.

12/11/2005 2:05:45 AM

All the upsets Bucknell has pulled have been on teams that are overrated because of their names.

Bucknell will not beat Duke (I doubt it'll even be close).

12/11/2005 2:12:22 AM

not only is tj ford JT3's player of the year, but indiana can also beat duke in his opinion...

12/11/2005 2:14:41 AM

41 points against the #2 team...yea he's the man

12/11/2005 2:41:09 AM

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"and tucker showed why he is a candidate"

The fuck are you talking about?

I can't decide who cost them the game more, Tucker, Gibson, or Barnes. They all played like shit. The only times PJ had any success were the times he went into the post and backed his man down. That forced the rest of the defense to collapse and opened up opportunities for his teammates. Problem is, I can count on one hand (hell, probably don't even need all my fingers on one hand) the number of times he went into the post.

Tucker did NOTHING to do to show why he is a candidate. You might be the only person that believes he was a candidate in the first place.

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"Texas cannot match up against them AT ALL"

Texas can't matchup against Duke at all? How about the other way around? Texas has depth in the post, a key problem for Duke, one of which has been pegged the top pick in next years NBA draft is averaging a double-double on the season and another that's a senior big man that has started many years in the Texas system. Texas has an All-American candidate at PG. Texas has a matchup nightmare in PJ Tucker, a 6-5, 220 lb. SF. How the fuck was Duke supposed to stop that? Duke's only real option in containing PJ was sitting on the bench with a broken foot. If anything Duke couldn't matchup with Texas at all.

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"and they still don't really have a creator on offense besides JJ's right hand and a screener"

Oh, that's classic. A Heel fan complaining about the officiating.

Personally I think Duke's got plenty of creators for this point in the season. Greg's coming along, Dock has been steady in all facets of the game, and JJ mixes things up enough to create for teammates at times.

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"I don't think their freshmen are quite living up to expectations and that's going to reveal itself as a big problem in the next couple of months"

Not living up to expectations? Perhaps the fact that Duke has four seniors, including two All-Americans, is the fact that they haven't put up gaudy numbers. Greg, Josh, and the rest of the crew aren't relied upon right now. Duke needs a supporting cast, not someone to come in and produce immediately like your boy Psycho in Chapel Hill.

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"my point is if duke is going to cut the nets they need more then "flashes of brilliance""

My point is Duke has beaten three very quality teams, all ranked in the top 25. A dismantling of the number 2 team in the nation, a good win in one of the most hostile environments in the past ____ years against Indiana (who, by the way, smoked Kentucky's bitch ass', the Heels supposed "quality win" ), and probably the most athletic team in the nation in Memphis (without Demarcus Nelson). You're caught up on Duke's struggles and giving little credit to the quality wins they've earned so far. There's still PLENTY of room for this team to develop. Duke is nowhere near the level they will be at when postseason comes around.

12/11/2005 4:49:23 AM

JT3bucky is an idiot.

12/11/2005 8:33:59 AM