what the fuck are you talking about?

How the fuck are you gonna call me a fag when you have one of the most homo-erotic photo galleries in the history of this website.



I stated facts about the contract debate. Which wasnt even the point of this thread.

The point is.... Rivers & Bench in '06 is looking like a legit candidate.

1/1/2006 7:50:17 PM

AHAHAHAH he took his photos down after I said that.


Location: In your head

1/1/2006 7:58:55 PM

Quote :

"Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not getting you a goddam link."

in other words, you know you are full of shit.

1/1/2006 8:00:42 PM

alright you little tigershark.


Im going to go get some links and then I fully expect your candy ass to say something gay like "haha look what i made you waste your time doing"

but guess what. that doesnt fucking phase me because im perfectly content spending 2 minutes on this if it will make you shut the fuck up.

1/1/2006 8:07:05 PM

get you some dawg

1/1/2006 8:08:09 PM

I am neutral in this argument, but this comment was fucking weak and retarded:

Quote :

"Keep whining and making fun of Rivers while he's a multi-millionaire and you will never see a million. Jackass"

if that was the case then 98% of the country could never ever comment on anything in the NFL because they are multi-millionaires and we arent

1/1/2006 8:19:09 PM

Quote :

"Let's play "What if?" What if Rivers held out 18 days instead of 25 in 2004? Had he showed up a week earlier, he would have been in competition for the Chargers' starting job. Had that happened, Drew Brees might not have had a Pro Bowl season and San Diego might not have been last year's Cinderella story, finishing with a 12-4 record. Remember, the Chargers selected Eli Manning against his wishes. Less than an hour after the pick, they traded Manning to the Giants in order to get Rivers as their quarterback of the future. But Rivers held out until Aug. 23, despite threats by ownership that it wouldn't change its offer."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp05/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2116504

Quote :

"He showed up at rookie orientation last year but missed much of training camp due to a lengthy holdout that may have cost him the starting job with the San Diego Chargers."

http://chargers.scout.com/2/377137.html

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=231192&page=1


Here are some of good quotes where people are in agreement of what happened

Quote :

" Of all the people to hold out I would have never expected Rivers to do it... He was picked #4 and should be paid like a #4 pick... I refuse to believe that he would think otherwise... He needs to tell his agent to get it worked out, he needs to be in camp"

-rallydurham

Quote :

"I agree, I think this is all the agents doing. Jimmy Sexton is screwing Phil."

nutsmackr

Quote :

" phil filled the number 1 draft slot and manning filled the number 4 draft slot. i think both players have a legitimate claim to #1 pick money"

CharlieEFH

Quote :

" too bad the giants gave up next years first round pick and gave up a bunch of other picks Phil should be paid like the #4 pick."

nutsmackr

Quote :

""too bad the giants gave up next years first round pick and gave up a bunch of other picks Phil should be paid like the #4 pick.""

reiterated by WolfMiami



Hear that, ladies? That's my fight song playing delicately within the confines of this thread.

1/1/2006 8:20:15 PM

hey don't bring me into this thread

[Edited on January 1, 2006 at 8:24 PM. Reason : how does my statement agree with the others?]

1/1/2006 8:22:53 PM

uh theres no mention of what exactly the contract stipulated in that post

1/1/2006 8:25:00 PM

I'm simply proving that at the time, there was no disagreement about what was taking place in Rivers holdout.

Only now, two years after the fact, there is disagreement as to what actually happened.

You cant just conveniently change what happened because its two years later.

1/1/2006 8:29:16 PM

hahaha. good work, rally. i asked you to give me some evidence that the chargers didn't offer phil a bullshit initial contract. you gave me people saying "he should be paid #4 money." there was no disagreement on that.

1/1/2006 8:33:31 PM

click on the fucking links, scrappy.


Theres pages and pages of articles.



Heres my challenge to you.

Find a link showing how many tacos I ate for dinner tonight.



What happens if you can't find one?

Does it mean I really didn't eat three?


Did I only have two tacos since you couldnt find a link?

Or perhaps I never even had those tacos... I mean there's not even a link saying I did....

1/1/2006 8:36:21 PM

rallydurham may know a lot about sports but hes using some really weak arguments

1/1/2006 8:38:24 PM

i saw those pages, and NONE of them provide what I asked for. in fact, the first fucking link is an insider article from JULY 2005, so...

priv went to a team KNOWN for fucking over its rookies. i don't blame him for watching out for #1.

but, hey, lets play your game. I said "show me that the chargers didn't offer him stupid and impossible incentives."

you responded with people saying "phil should be paid like a #4" and "the holdout cost p-riv the starting job." yeah, thats really responding to what I asked for, and thats really telling me the "truth." i'm glad you got some fucking tacos but that doesn't change the fact that the chargers offered phil nothing initially, so phil said "fuck you."

1/1/2006 8:40:18 PM

rally takes every possible chance he gets to rag on Rally, NC and its simple pleasures

1/1/2006 8:40:25 PM

Here is a link with the final contract agreements:
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7607989

Quote :

"The contract will pay Rivers $40.5 million, including a $14.25 million signing bonus. He can earn $10 million more in incentives. "

I'll post the proposed contract soon as I find it.

[Edited on January 1, 2006 at 8:43 PM. Reason : .]

1/1/2006 8:42:23 PM

ahah

nothing like a rallydurham quotefest

1/1/2006 8:43:07 PM

Quote :

"the Chargers rejected several new proposals from Rivers' agent, Jimmy Sexton, and essentially stuck to the offer they made to the former North Carolina State star earlier this month. ESPN.com learned that Sexton this week presented the Chargers with three proposals aimed at ending his client's absence from training camp. The proposals, about which Sexton said he was "cautiously optimistic," jump-started negotiations. Talks had stalled on Aug. 8, when Chargers officials publicly announced that Rivers missed a deadline for agreeing to their final offer. The public stance of the Chargers set off a war of words, with Sexton, who rarely speaks to the media, firing back at the team. It also sent Rivers, who had remained in the San Diego area to that point, back home to North Carolina to work privately on conditioning. He returned to San Diego earlier this week, perhaps in advance of what he felt might be a pending agreement."

Now where's the link on those tacos, slugger?

1/1/2006 8:50:12 PM

Quote :

"To this point, the timing appears to be coincidental because the Chargers have stuck to their position that they won't go above the $40.5 million "base" contract Rivers rejected two weeks ago. Sources said Sexton presented the team with several proposals this week, each of which came down significantly from his previous asking price of $44 million in a base deal, but not enough to suit the Chargers. The team refused to budge, sources said. "

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20040821-9999-1s21rivers.html


I'm so fucking pretty.

1/1/2006 8:52:18 PM

Jimmy Sexton is a pimp

1/1/2006 8:52:53 PM

thank you for once again providing nothing, rally.

1/1/2006 8:57:22 PM

Quote :

"To this point, the timing appears to be coincidental because the Chargers have stuck to their position that they won't go above the $40.5 million "base" contract Rivers rejected two weeks ago. Sources said Sexton presented the team with several proposals this week, each of which came down significantly from his previous asking price of $44 million in a base deal, but not enough to suit the Chargers. The team refused to budge, sources said."

Oh my god. Someone please come get this guy off my front porch.

I'm not letting you in the house.

Quote :

" how bout you put your money where your mouth is, then, and post us the original contract, as well as what it actually offered, not just "it was worth 40.5 mill.""

aaronburro

Chumped.

[Edited on January 1, 2006 at 9:01 PM. Reason : a]

1/1/2006 8:58:58 PM

Your quotes say nothing about the stipulations of the "base" contract they wouldnt budge on. Im pretty sure thats what aaronburro is getting at.

1/1/2006 9:04:20 PM

well, it'd be nice if the article actually said something about those fucking incentives. but it doesn't. it says "base," in quotes. AKA, not really base.

1/1/2006 9:04:42 PM

bingo

1/1/2006 9:05:04 PM

Quote :

"Sexton continued: "In addition, in an apparent attempt to deceive both the public and the media as to the size of the offer, the Chargers have also tendered a 'maximum contract' that has over $22.5 million in an incentive (a pro bowl appearance and Super Bowl title in each of his first six years) that has never been achieved by any player in the history of the NFL, not John Elway, not Terry Bradshaw, not Joe Montana, not Brett Favre. By contrast, Manning, Fitzgerald and Gallery all have incentives that are either easily makeable or at least theoretically possible. We are confused by the Chargers calling it 'a great offer' when such a large amount is impossible to ever achieve." "

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20040810-9999-1s10chargers.html


That sounds sounds pretty unreasonable and impossible.

1/1/2006 9:09:00 PM

What in god's name do you morons think "base" means????


This is ridiculous.


If I told you a "base" price on a Honda Accord was $17,000 would you then ask me what incentives it came with?


Log out now before its too late, seriously...

1/1/2006 9:11:34 PM

now is about the time where rallydurham logs out and 'quits' for a month

1/1/2006 9:12:25 PM

you still havent addressed the charger's recent history of fucking with their first round picks.

i also fail to see how you compare a draft pick's holdout (under no contract and thus MUST be sure, perhaps more than any other time, to secure his own security) to a player (TO, Walker) who is already under contract and demanding a different deal. i hate when guys already under contract hold out because they dont like it, but i feel its entirely different for someone NOT under contract to hold out for the best deal possible. thats just good business.

your premise on this thread is true though...i dont think they can afford to let him go now either. anytime a QB gets his shoulder fucked with, its potentially bad news, especially for a guy like brees who doesnt have a cannon arm anyway.

1/1/2006 9:12:48 PM

^^ lol he's the type of person who will argue until he's blue in the face even if he knows he's wrong

[Edited on January 1, 2006 at 9:14 PM. Reason : .]

1/1/2006 9:13:17 PM

WRONG????


Are you guys serious.


I am right.


I posted the fucking link and quote you assclown.


And if you clowns could even remember 18 months into the past, this woudlnt be an issue in the first place.

1/1/2006 9:15:45 PM

It's really not worth the arguement. You've posted links that provide no information on what you're trying to prove. Find something that will actually prove the point you're trying to make like something that breaks down the details of the proposed contract.

Everyone here disagrees with what you're saying so I'm done wasting my time. I do however agree that Philip's situation sucks with Brees getting hurt.

1/1/2006 9:21:21 PM

yeah, wrong. jmartin just proved you are full of shit. now shut the fuck up and go log out, you aids felching cum flake

1/1/2006 9:21:33 PM

No one has proved anything.

The quote that jtmartin provided, while interesting, does not specify whether that $22.5 million is part of the $40.5 offer or an incentive on top of it.

I've never seen a really clear description of the offer either way--articles have represented it both ways all along to try to make either Phil or the Chargers look greedy.

1/1/2006 9:24:17 PM

^

1/1/2006 9:26:43 PM

FIND A LINK, FIND A LINK, FIND A LINK.

FIND A QUOTE, FIND A QUOTE, FIND A QUOTE.

Quote :

" "To this point, the timing appears to be coincidental because the Chargers have stuck to their position that they won't go above the $40.5 million "base" contract Rivers rejected two weeks ago. Sources said Sexton presented the team with several proposals this week, each of which came down significantly from his previous asking price of $44 million in a base deal, but not enough to suit the Chargers. The team refused to budge, sources said.""

MAKE UP EXCUSES, MAKE UP EXCUSES, MAKE UP EXCUSES.



Man, your heart had to sink when I found that link...

1/1/2006 9:27:32 PM

wow, thank you for quoting THE SAME FUCKING THING you quoted earlier. you know, the thing that we said says NOTHING. I can offer you a 10mill guaranteed contract and give you 30.5mill in impossible incentives and call it "base" but that doesn't mean shit.

1/1/2006 9:29:48 PM

why is the word base in quotations?

1/1/2006 9:33:56 PM

winner: jtmartin
loser: rallydurham

1/1/2006 9:35:04 PM

because it means base contract.


As in not the one with the bullshit incentives.


I win, move along.

1/1/2006 9:35:23 PM

1/1/2006 9:35:57 PM

lol. good work. distort the meaning of a word to make you the winner. i'll keep that in mind. actually, I'll make "winner" mean "loser," and call you the winner. see how that works?

1/1/2006 9:36:11 PM

this is better than chit chat

1/1/2006 9:39:02 PM

What do you think base means you idiot?

Does it mean incentive laden?


Look at the fucking quotes.


This jtmartin kid isnt even old enough to have been shaving when the contract dispute went down.

Quote :

" "To this point, the timing appears to be coincidental because the Chargers have stuck to their position that they won't go above the $40.5 million "base" contract Rivers rejected two weeks ago. Sources said Sexton presented the team with several proposals this week, each of which came down significantly from his previous asking price of $44 million in a base deal, but not enough to suit the Chargers. The team refused to budge, sources said."""

Quote :

" the Chargers rejected several new proposals from Rivers' agent, Jimmy Sexton, and essentially stuck to the offer they made to the former North Carolina State star earlier this month. ESPN.com learned that Sexton this week presented the Chargers with three proposals aimed at ending his client's absence from training camp. The proposals, about which Sexton said he was "cautiously optimistic," jump-started negotiations. Talks had stalled on Aug. 8, when Chargers officials publicly announced that Rivers missed a deadline for agreeing to their final offer. The public stance of the Chargers set off a war of words, with Sexton, who rarely speaks to the media, firing back at the team. It also sent Rivers, who had remained in the San Diego area to that point, back home to North Carolina to work privately on conditioning. He returned to San Diego earlier this week, perhaps in advance of what he felt might be a pending agreement."

You really aren't going to be able to counter that, sorry.

ANd on top of that, you were SO confident i woudlnt be able to find the link that it makes it even funnier to keep posting this over & over...

1/1/2006 9:42:47 PM

actually, I'm confident, because you STILL haven't been able to find a link, you fucking asswipe. all you've been able to find is something with OBSCURFE FUCKING WORDING and then you divce your own definition to the wording. we say "clear up the definition, asswipe," to which you just requote it. even salisburyboy does better than that.

1/1/2006 9:49:03 PM

Quote :

"how bout you put your money where your mouth is, then, and post us the original contract, as well as what it actually offered, not just "it was worth 40.5 mill."

aaronburro

Quote :

" "To this point, the timing appears to be coincidental because the Chargers have stuck to their position that they won't go above the $40.5 million "base" contract Rivers rejected two weeks ago. Sources said Sexton presented the team with several proposals this week, each of which came down significantly from his previous asking price of $44 million in a base deal, but not enough to suit the Chargers. The team refused to budge, sources said.""

Quote :

" The San Diego Chargers have agreed to a six-year deal with quarterback Philip Rivers, their first-round pick this past April, ending a 23-day holdout. The contract will pay Rivers $40.5 million, including a $14.25 million signing bonus. He can earn $10 million more in incentives."

There you go. 40.5 million base, additional 10 mil in incentives.


Ouch.



[Edited on January 1, 2006 at 9:51 PM. Reason : a]

[Edited on January 1, 2006 at 9:53 PM. Reason : a]

1/1/2006 9:50:25 PM

I just wish Rivers fought this hard to be the starting qb.

1/1/2006 9:54:51 PM

wow, you found a link shopwing his final contract. that really shuts us up about the INITIAL FUCKING CONTRACT.

1/1/2006 9:59:40 PM

haha

1/1/2006 10:01:56 PM

what are you talking about?

the first one is the initial contract


the second one is the final contract.


Jesus, good luck in life....

1/1/2006 10:06:57 PM