Honestly I'd like to get away from content delivery on media and move to more streaming/on-demand stuff.

1/12/2006 1:32:10 PM

I think we'd all like that. But we have a ways to go to get the bandwidth before we can get there. This is also an instance where competition slows the deployment of these things, free market isn't always the fastest way.

1/12/2006 1:34:51 PM

the problem isn't bandwidth. if there was something that would require more bandwidth, the isps would make the increase.

The problem is the content lisence holders.

For some reason they're all a bunch of cock sucking faggots when it comes to distribution over the internet.

I mean forget that it would save money. And forget that it would be more convenient for the consumer. And forget that they could get stuff to market faster.

They're all run by retards who have no idea how this shit works. When they hear downloading they think piracy.

Instead they should be thinking downloads = fewer costs more profits.

1/12/2006 1:41:05 PM

yea I am sure I'd prefer some lame content streaming in my car over a high capacity DVD.

1/12/2006 1:42:10 PM

whats lame about content streaming if its the same quality as the HD-DVD and you can listen to any song or watch any video you want?

1/12/2006 1:45:13 PM

You said that the industry is full of retards who have no idea how that shit works.

As far as I know, there is no way right now to be able to securely stream high definition DVD content ON DEMAND with absolutely no delays while I am driving or lying down in my bed or reclining on my porch.

1/12/2006 1:47:06 PM

Not at present.

You'd need more bandwidth of course.

But the only way to convince ISPs to increase bandwidth is to create content that requires it.

The content holders need to take the initative and hook up with internet distrubutors to start making the push for more bandwidth for streaming content.


i.e. Movie studio A goes to timewarner and says hey why dont you distribute our movies in HD.

Timewarner then lifts the cap on download speeds and offers content to those on their network.

At first you would have to have a hardline, but as it became more popular the demand for netork availiblity whereever you are.

Thus spurring the creation of nationwide highspeed wireless access.

1/12/2006 1:54:38 PM

yea and it would be cheaper for me as a consumer to pay for wireless broadband equipment+bandwidth+content fees

compared to

buying a 30GB high Definition high capacity DVD?

1/12/2006 1:56:22 PM

You already pay for cellular + broadband + tv content + equipment.

This would be expansion of the functionality of those services.

Cost would be either the same or less than the current system + hd-dvd.

1/12/2006 2:04:32 PM

I pay for TV content. I don't pay for recurring DVD/on demand content

Besides, what has more bandwidth - a 100Mbps wireless connection or a 10 pack of HD DVDs in my car?

[Edited on January 12, 2006 at 2:15 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2006 2:13:40 PM

http://www.theregister.com/2006/01/12/xbox_360_blu-ray/

1/12/2006 2:15:17 PM

I'll admit that the content holders are the biggest bottleneck and often try and force feed a certain method that more than maximizes their profit. But you are trivializing the bandwidth problem. If the bandwidth were already there, then big time players would swoop in and negotiate with the content holders on a content delivery scheme that works for ALL parties. That is, so the content holders are satisfied with their license royalties, so the deliverers get their cut, and in such a way that consumers will actually want to use the system based on cost, convenience, etc.

1/12/2006 2:17:02 PM

We already have companies providing online streaming movies like movielink etc. I, personally, still prefer to carry media with me.

1/12/2006 2:20:23 PM

I'll take streaming plz.

1/12/2006 2:38:32 PM

yeah...so since i don't have any of these "nice" hdtvs or anything, i look at this technology as nothing but another way to store raw information, as opposed to viewing content...it doesn't make a BIT of difference to me if i have an hdtv or anything...i have yet to see anything on hd that i've been floored by...give me a good sound system and a decent picture, and i'm happy

1/12/2006 5:02:12 PM

well its obvious there is a market for both then, streaming and physical storage. I'd take the high capacity storage myself. I don't even listen to mp3s in my car although I can

1/12/2006 5:06:40 PM

^^ true

HD is just an expensive toy as of now. It's not as immersive as it could be even now. In the end, all you're getting is a very small reproduction of what you see at a theater.

1/12/2006 5:43:17 PM

Quote :

"In the end, all you're getting is a very small reproduction of what you see at a theater."

So says the idiot with lots of expensive toys.

1/13/2006 9:35:54 AM

No HD movie out right now would convince anyone to lay a billion dollar fiber line right to my living room.

Going for wired bandwidth in the US is so extremely stupid.

1/13/2006 9:42:38 AM

WE NEED GPONS



shameless goFigure plug



SandSanta must know of some 2.5 gbs d 1.5gbs u wireless we dont

[Edited on January 13, 2006 at 9:47 AM. Reason : .]

1/13/2006 9:42:50 AM

This thread must know of some 100mbps pipe to the home I missed.

1/13/2006 9:53:40 AM

how bout that magic pipe timewarner is using to get you HD channels.

1/13/2006 9:59:36 AM

Yea good call shaggy.

TimeWarner : 10 shitty interlaced HD channels

OR

2 1080p channels YOU PICK11!1!11

[Edited on January 13, 2006 at 10:20 AM. Reason : Note* timewarner does not currently offer 1080p.]

1/13/2006 10:20:00 AM

How many HD channels can you watch at the same time on the same TV (yes, this is a purposefully weighted statement against multiple TV households, which is virtually every one of them)?

Futhermore, are 10 1080i channels equal in bandwidth needs to 2 1080p...i don't know the data rates from my head.

1/13/2006 10:56:17 AM

Well its not quite how it works.

They would have to compress 1080i and 1080p to operate at the same data rate (20Mbps?). They do it with 1080i already, but 1080p would look comparetively like utter shit if it were compressed heavily.

A normal 1080i feed needs about 1.5Gbps while a 1080p one needs like 3Gbps

1/13/2006 12:26:11 PM

Yea, I went digging myself and had a "duh" moment about the compression. Some pundints (HDNet in particular), seem to think 1080p30 will be just fine compressed to 19.4 and should look markedly better than the other 2 alternatives.

1/13/2006 1:41:02 PM

You can stream it all you want but you are still going to have to provide media. Streaming can't be the only option for near future delivery.

Quote :

"You already pay for cellular + broadband + tv content + equipment."

Nope, nope, nope, and nope. I like to keep my bills down (I get dialup free through work).

Paying for internet just to watch a movie would be akin to me having to pay $40 a month to use my DVD player.

[Edited on January 13, 2006 at 2:15 PM. Reason : ]

1/13/2006 2:14:24 PM

Quote :

"Going for wired bandwidth in the US is so extremely stupid."

Quote :

"SandSanta must know of some 2.5 gbs d 1.5gbs u wireless we dont"

Quote :

"This thread must know of some 100mbps pipe to the home I missed."

wimax is promising

http://www.intel.com/standards/case/case_wimax.htm

1/13/2006 2:44:05 PM

Quote :

"No HD movie out right now would convince anyone to lay a billion dollar fiber line right to my living room. Going for wired bandwidth in the US is so extremely stupid. "

I haven't done my research yet but I know Verizon's FiOS service is being tested in a couple cities.

1/13/2006 4:37:12 PM

^^

Quote :

"75 megabits per second (Mbps)"

meh , thanks for the technology read though

[Edited on January 13, 2006 at 5:43 PM. Reason : .]

1/13/2006 5:43:00 PM

oh, i realize 75mbps isn't anything to write home about, but considering cable is usually capped at 2mbps (at least, it was last time i made an honest effort to look into it) and DSL is significantly lower...if you have 75mbps coming in wirelessly, that holds some promise

of course, top speed and actual throughput are two totally different monsters

1/14/2006 2:44:16 PM

My two cents on the subject...

First off I will be stearing clear of any new system for the time being. (I like my DVDs, they may be old but they are time tested) Until the "war" is over (either in victory for one side or a draw, like DVD RW) AND the prices on both the system, the discs and especially the HDTVs drop drastically, I wont be buying any of these new ones.

If I had to bet on whose going to win the war... Ill but my money on HDDVD, IIUC they have quite a few major players backing as well as most the movie studios. It will also be 'easier' to make HDDVD players backward compatible. And to those who say "blu ray will win because its superior"... tell that to Betamax. I don't think its going to be a tie, I dont think the consumer will tolerate two formats...

This leads me to my last remark, which is what I think is the fair chance that BOTH media will fail, partially because of the war that will likely ensue, and partially due to the prices. It seems like too short of a time has passed since we changed formats; this could very well go the way of the laserdisc.

[Edited on January 14, 2006 at 8:07 PM. Reason : ]

1/14/2006 8:07:02 PM

^ my only argument with your logic is that with sony backing blu-ray, that is a HUGE step forward...there will be more people with ps3's than there will be with either standalone hd-dvd or blu-ray players...so i really do think blu-ray will have the advantage at the beginning

who knows about farther down the road

1/14/2006 8:26:12 PM

Since when has Sony backing ANY technology carried it as industry standard?

Remember BETA, MiniDisc, DAT, anyone? While they are all pretty cool, none ever became the defacto standard. Blu-Ray is screwed without the rest of the movie studios on board at least.

1/14/2006 9:02:42 PM

^^ true, but then again, HDDVD is backed by microsoft which has got to count for something.


and ^ has a point too, it could be that blu ray only ends up being used in Playstation games as a medium.

[Edited on January 14, 2006 at 9:06 PM. Reason : ]

1/14/2006 9:05:52 PM

Eh, not all that much. The only real sway they have is with the xbox 360. They aren't going to be distributing software on HD DVD anytime soon.

The sway will come from Panasonic/Pioneer/Toshiba/Samsung/RCA/et al in the east, and which standard they can produce the cheapest.

1/14/2006 9:07:36 PM

I'm curious, will the average consumer want to replace all their movies with the higher def version?

1/14/2006 10:30:40 PM

well joe consumer who buys the 4000 dollar HD tv might but not anyone else.

1/15/2006 12:12:30 AM