freedom OF religion

not

freedom FROM religion

2/1/2006 8:19:39 PM

theDuke866:
You're welcome Nice... good luck! I don't think you could get a bill passed to ban women from driving, so I'd probably vote for ya

And seriously:

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"-If its indirect (being overheard), get over it and/or start wearing headphones. -If its direct, you say to them, "I'm not comfortable discussing religion or politics in the office". That is polite and professional. I've said tons of times to people. If its to the point where its severely inhibiting the amount of work you are doing, then you might want to approach your supervisor (or anonymously slip a note) informing them the work environment is causing less work to get done."

[Edited on February 1, 2006 at 8:20 PM. Reason : lalala]

2/1/2006 8:19:54 PM

oh, i'm not out to outlaw women driving

i'm just not under any illusions that many of you are much good at it

2/1/2006 8:25:18 PM

2/1/2006 8:32:41 PM

I wonder if he'd be offended by a gay dude talking with an effeminate tone of voice

same difference, just different direction, right?

It's free speech until someone mentions God, then it's harrassment

2/1/2006 9:25:29 PM

bad argument, a gay dude can't just stop talking - that his voice.

2/1/2006 9:34:15 PM

he better stop talking

or grapehead will sue!

2/1/2006 9:39:15 PM

people are always crying about something.

if you can't put up with some silly bitches for eight hours, then expect to be in low responsibility job roles for the rest of your life.

2/1/2006 9:41:38 PM

my former co-manager once drew a cross on my head with oil. that shit dripped all over my face, and i was out in the store in front of all my co-workers!

2/1/2006 10:06:53 PM

^WTF, MATE?

2/2/2006 12:10:05 AM

Bring the black book of Satan (or whatever book Satanists use) to work and read verses from it. Freedom Of Religion right?

2/2/2006 1:01:23 AM

do this

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"print out pictures of Ganesh, Shiva, and Vishnu and post them all over your workspace"

2/2/2006 1:05:03 AM

i aint tryin to sue nobody you silly fuckers.

i just want my working environment not to be uncomfortable.

im not eavesdropping on any conversations, this is directly to me.
1. one of these chicks has bible verses all over her cube and i dont feel its appropriate
2. i dont want to hear jebus this and jebus that every time a copier or something messes up
3. the lack of attention to duties as previously discussed.

im not trying to censor any christians, they arent trying to convert me that i can discern, i just want them to do their jobs without taking the lords name in vain avery five minutes.

2/2/2006 8:36:00 AM

I mostly agree with you but

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"1. one of these chicks has bible verses all over her cube and i dont feel its appropriate"

I don't see why that is inappropriate at all..

2/2/2006 8:37:30 AM

because i cant have pics of bikini models on the walls of my office.

2/2/2006 8:45:03 AM

religion is just one of those touchy subjects and it's best left at church and/or the person's home. I don't really have a problem with it, but I don't think the office is the place for it. I wouldn't complain or be pissed, but I know that some people are very sensitive about that shit. and no, it's not appropriate to have bible verses all over your cube or office walls. whether you think so or not, that is just another way of forcing your beliefs on other people. leave that shit at home.

2/2/2006 8:50:49 AM

Just put this quote and others like it up around your office and in your email sig:

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"No fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought or feeling, can preserve a life beyond the grave; all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system; and the whole temple of man's achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe in ruins - Bertrand Russell"

that will get their goat as much as bible verses get yours

2/2/2006 8:59:51 AM

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"religion is just one of those touchy subjects and it's best left at church and/or the person's home. I don't really have a problem with it, but I don't think the office is the place for it. I wouldn't complain or be pissed, but I know that some people are very sensitive about that shit. and no, it's not appropriate to have bible verses all over your cube or office walls. whether you think so or not, that is just another way of forcing your beliefs on other people. leave that shit at home."

very well put, my thoughts exactly.

2/2/2006 9:14:08 AM

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"some girl comes in here and talks for 10 minutes about how our shitty secretary is just god testing her."

Good. You have a blank check to be an asshole and she'll just think it's God testing her!

2/2/2006 9:31:02 AM

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"it's not appropriate to have bible verses all over your cube or office walls. whether you think so or not, that is just another way of forcing your beliefs on other people. leave that shit at home.""

you're a goddamn pussy

grow some fucking balls. they arent on YOUR cubicle walls, dont fucking read them.

what if she has a fucking bible on her desk that she reads at lunch, is that somehow oppressing you? fucking wanker.

2/2/2006 9:45:25 AM

i'm not even about to read a whole lounge thread on religion, but

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"i dont have grounds to complain my ass. you cant fucken pray in schools, or teach creationism, or anything else religious, why the hell should i have to get over it at work."

first of all, you CAN pray in schools. it just has to be student led, and the schools aren't supposed to force it on you. that's because schools are run by the government, which isn't allowed to sponsor religion. your place of business is a private corporation and, therefore, the company sets its own policies. Was this sort of thing not made clear in like, 3rd grade?

that said, I don't care what people talk about at the office. i'm not very easily offended. I might make fun of them, but it doesn't bother me. and our company's so religious that there's a prayer meeting every morning in one of the meeting rooms (not run by the company itself, though), and there are ALOT of jesus fish eating darwin fish stickers and whatnot in the parking lot.

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 9:59 AM. Reason : .]

2/2/2006 9:58:12 AM

damn... that must suck

2/2/2006 10:19:42 AM

^^^dude, why don't you fucking read ya moron. I said that it doesn't bother ME, but why the fuck do you need to advertise your religion to everyone in your office? reading a bible at lunch is NOT the same thing as having verses plastered all over your cube for EVERYONE to see. if you can't see the difference than you're a fucking dumbass.

would it be ok to plaster a whole bunch of anti-religious propaganda all over your cube? of course not because that would without a doubt offend a bunch of people. If you want to be religious, then you have every right to be that way. but I don't see why you need to advertise it and throw it in other people's faces if they're not doing it to you.

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 10:38 AM. Reason : .]

2/2/2006 10:35:15 AM

DG makes a good point...private company, rules are different and you can't make a comparison to public agencies or organizations.

That said, anyone who has issues with someone putting Bible verses on their cube walls must have some issues themselves. Did your pastor beat you as a child? Were you the priest's "special" alter boy? Those things are horrible and then maybe this would make sense. But, barring those things, why the angst with religion? How about you grow some balls and get over it, seriously...

2/2/2006 10:42:37 AM

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"your place of business is a private corporation"

nope, state agency.

i dont have angst w/ religion, just dont feel it has a place in the office.

2/2/2006 10:54:01 AM

I encountered this issue at work before. The secretary there would listen to some sort of christian talk show all day long and talk about it on the phone with her friends and stuff. It got really really annoying after a while.

2/2/2006 10:54:45 AM

^^^that's not the point. what if you're a different religion? what if you don't believe in religion at all. what if you just don't like seeing all that shit on someone's cube? I'm not saying that I personally have a problem with it, but some people do and that's their right. it's a fucking work environment. you can do whatever you want on your own time, but when you have to co-exist with a bunch of different races, religions, sexes, ect, then you should respect others wishes and not impose your beliefs on others who may not share your enthusiasm for religion. same goes for politcal affiliation.

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 10:56 AM. Reason : .]

2/2/2006 10:56:25 AM

yeah i mean if a jew starts working here i guess you guys support my right to ask them why they killed jesus every day?

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 10:59 AM. Reason : or harass a muslim about blowing up the WTC]

2/2/2006 10:58:17 AM

^^freedom OF religion NOT freedom FROM religion

That's what we're given as americans.

2/2/2006 11:00:15 AM

sure, you're free to practice whatever you want. I'm not saying that we all have to be the same religion. but does that mean that it's RIGHT to impose your beliefs on others? do that shit at church or in your home. the office isn't the place for it.

2/2/2006 11:01:31 AM

so if im christian and a coworker is jewish it is my freedom OF religion to ask them why they killed jesus? and not harassing or inappropriate in any way, right?

2/2/2006 11:02:46 AM

what if you're a devil worshipper? is it cool to have a bunch of satanic passages all over your cube? don't tell me somone isn't going to get offended. or what if you have "god is dead" on your cube. if you're gonna allow one thing, then you have to allow the rest.

2/2/2006 11:05:32 AM

thats my point yo, all or nothin.

2/2/2006 11:15:55 AM

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"freedom OF religion NOT freedom FROM religion"

what about the atheists?!

2/2/2006 11:32:28 AM

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"because i cant have pics of bikini models on the walls of my office."

Bikini models don't look professional - inspirational verses, whether Biblical or like all those success posters, are just fine.

If they're taking God's name in vain you could confront them by saying something like you're uncomfortable with them doing so, since Christians aren't supposed to do that. You wouldn't be saying anything offensive and they wouldn't know outright that there is a coworker they feel the need to convert. If they're really true to God's Word then they should seriously consider what you say about that.

Otherwise, I'd do what Queti suggested

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"but if she is trying to convert you or if you really just can't stand hearing her say "jesus", "pray", etc. "hi _____, i want to talk with you for a minute. i don't want you to be offended by what i am about to say. i have noticed that you bring your religion up in conversations alot..." give some examples. "well, this bothers me. i don't share your views on christianity. i don't want to have any sort of debate on the sbuject and i don't want to be converted. but i do want to let you know that when you say these things all the time, it makes me uncomfortable." "

In the end, just praising God for things going well in the workplace isn't directed offensively toward you. It's kind of their way of exclaiming "Yes!" or "Fuck yeah!" or whatever, just hopefully they're actually thanking God rather than using it as an expression. I'm a Christian but wouldn't get offended if I worked with people of other faith that chose to express themselves with it. If you actually did start saying stuff against what they say, you would be doing so specifically to provoke/mock them, which is the complete oppposite of what you should accomplish in the workplace.

2/2/2006 11:46:01 AM

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"you would be doing so specifically to provoke/mock them"

durr, that's exactly what's going on here. he just wants to be a douche, simple as that. why he feels the need to taunt some helpless old ladies, i have no idea. some people are just assholes

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 12:05 PM. Reason : poor grapehead, i pray he gets the help he needs]

2/2/2006 12:04:28 PM

I'd voter fraud for theDuke.

2/2/2006 12:07:59 PM

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"nope, state agency."

It's the same thing as a child being able to pray in school but the school not being able to lead the prayer. There is nothing that will hurt a work environment that comes from someone posting bible verses and talking about god. Now, if your boss was, for instance, making everyone pray or something then yeah, that'd be illegal.

And this is coming from me, the despiser of all things organized religion, so i'm not biased.

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"so if im christian and a coworker is jewish it is my freedom OF religion to ask them why they killed jesus? and not harassing or inappropriate in any way, right?"

are you asking why that specific person killed jesus or why the jews did? I'd say there's nothing wrong with your asking him why the jews killed jesus (though they didn't), but if you accuse HIM of doing it, that's at the very least harrassment

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 12:10 PM. Reason : .]

2/2/2006 12:08:49 PM

^be that as it may, you're still going to have people be offended by certain things dealing with religion. c'mon people, everyone knows religion and politics are very touchy subjects to certain people. if you want to pray, cool. if you want to bless your food before you eat, go right ahead. but when you go out of your way to advertise all your religious beliefs and make a point of everyone else being able to see it, then you're just asking for trouble.

nobody is telling anybody to ditch their beliefs, but you know damn well that it wouldn't be cool for someone to post atheist messages on their walls. just because it's YOUR belief doesn't mean that everyone else wants to know about it.

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 12:15 PM. Reason : .]

2/2/2006 12:14:42 PM

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"Bikini models don't look professional - inspirational verses, whether Biblical or like all those success posters, are just fine."

thats the problem, i dont see whats so professional about having bible verses or that footsteps thing on your wall. doesnt seem to increase productivity or decrease gossip or anything.

2/2/2006 12:31:28 PM

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"^^^dude, why don't you fucking read ya moron. I said that it doesn't bother ME, but why the fuck do you need to advertise your religion to everyone in your office? reading a bible at lunch is NOT the same thing as having verses plastered all over your cube for EVERYONE to see. if you can't see the difference than you're a fucking dumbass. would it be ok to plaster a whole bunch of anti-religious propaganda all over your cube? of course not because that would without a doubt offend a bunch of people. If you want to be religious, then you have every right to be that way. but I don't see why you need to advertise it and throw it in other people's faces if they're not doing it to you."

because you dumb fuck, anti-religious propaganda targets people for their views. Having scriptures from the bible on the walls in your cubicle is no different from me having the fucking NC State football poster on my cubicle wall. I enjoy having it in my work environment.

Grow some fucking balls and quit trying to find pussy shit to complain about.

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"thats the problem, i dont see whats so professional about having bible verses or that footsteps thing on your wall. doesnt seem to increase productivity or decrease gossip or anything."

It makes them more comfortable in the environment they spend 1/3 of their day in. Grow the fuck up and get over it. If it makes them more comfortable then it WILL help the work environment for them.

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 12:51 PM. Reason : *]

2/2/2006 12:50:26 PM

thats cool, i see where you are comin from now.

ill get over it.

2/2/2006 12:54:48 PM

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"poor grapehead, i pray he gets the help he needs"

proof prayer works! Lokken is an angel sent from heaven!

/ridiculousness

2/2/2006 12:58:55 PM

^ I didnt fucking say that, learn2read

2/2/2006 1:12:19 PM

^having an nc state poster on your wall is the same as having bible verses all over your cube? please tell me you're kidding.

2/2/2006 1:19:21 PM

^why would i be kidding

I enjoy having the State poster on my wall because I like state. I went there, graduated, and enjoy our football program. It makes my cubicle feel more like home to me. I dont care if people here dont like state or root for UNC or Duke instead. They can get over it and realize its my cube.

you can completely apply the same for having scripture on your wall.

You'd have a point if I wans trying to go around and tell everyone how much better state was and that they should become state fans instead of whoever they root for now. But Im not.

2/2/2006 1:26:11 PM

dude, you're missing the whole point. it's not even worth arguing with you.

2/2/2006 1:26:55 PM

but he proves the point that it isnt worth arguing in general.

i mean, there sees to be no tactful way to tell my coworkers not to praise jebus in my presence, based on this thread. no matter what i say or how i say it, i will lose somehow.

2/2/2006 1:30:27 PM

well, if it doesn't bother you THAT much, then no, it's not worth it. but the fact remains that many people ARE offended by that kind of stuff. I've already pointed out that I could care less what people have on their cube walls or whatever, but there are LOTS of people who get all worked up about that kind of shit. if you can't see the difference between religiouis beliefs and supporting your college, then you're missing the whole point. Religion is probably the most touchy subject there is, so to throw it all up in people's faces is just going to cause problems.

2/2/2006 1:33:08 PM

set em up

2/2/2006 1:38:29 PM