the only people that are "whoring this out" are the conservatives that are trying to make a big deal about remarks that were overwhelmingly approved of by those in attendance

that, my friend, is the only whoring out going on

2/10/2006 3:51:45 PM

again...lunatic fringe conservatives who are decried by thier own party (me) vs. mainstream liberals who are praised by thier party


^nope...the only whoring going on is of poor dead mrs. king....of couse those in attendence approved....but like i said..this does not relate to only those in attendence...everyone in the country saw this sickening display....and the vast majority of americans...who have any sense of decency....were disgusted

[Edited on February 10, 2006 at 3:54 PM. Reason : asdf]

2/10/2006 3:52:44 PM

^ huh? The lunatic fringe is the one making a deal out of the funeral?

2/10/2006 3:53:58 PM

You said give an example. I gave 3. You keep bitching. Shut the fuck up.

2/10/2006 3:54:40 PM

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"i dont have a problem talking politics at a funeral...as long as they are done in rememberence of that person...and as long as its done in order to respect that person my problem with things like the King funeral and the Wellstone Memorial is that dems turn them into chances to whore out the soul of a dead person to further some cause...even if it is the cause the person believed in"

this guy's a troll. there's no way he's being serous.

THAT PASTOR WAS ONE OF HER CLOSE FRIENDS

2/10/2006 3:55:04 PM

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"lunatic fringe conservatives who are decried by thier own party (me) vs. mainstream liberals who are praised by thier party "

whose bitching??


^you guys seriuosly arent going to win this...this just shows how far gone you guys are...where is your sense of decency and propriety???

everyone except the lunatic fringe libs (like yall) know this was a major lose situation for dems

[Edited on February 10, 2006 at 3:57 PM. Reason : asdf]

2/10/2006 3:55:42 PM

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"thats garbage....everyone who was watching the funeral or at the funeral knew exactly what he was talking about...he even freakin said something like "...but we got weapons of mass deception right down here...." this is a new low for democrates...i thought the Wellstone fiasco was bad but this takes the cake "

That would be you.

VV I'm referring to your comment about bitching.

[Edited on February 10, 2006 at 4:01 PM. Reason : bitch]

[Edited on February 10, 2006 at 4:01 PM. Reason : f]

2/10/2006 3:58:13 PM

i guess everyone in attendance, including the family, who didn't find fault with the remarks are just lunatic fringe liberals

2/10/2006 3:59:40 PM

^^that doesnt even make sense

^ you got it

[Edited on February 10, 2006 at 4:00 PM. Reason : asdf]

2/10/2006 3:59:47 PM

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"this guy's a troll. there's no way he's being serous. THAT PASTOR WAS ONE OF HER CLOSE FRIENDS "

The other option is that he's an idiot.

2/10/2006 4:00:00 PM

ha...sure ....resort to this....and keep on losing

2/10/2006 4:02:12 PM

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"the only people that are "whoring this out" are the conservatives that are trying to make a big deal about remarks that were overwhelmingly approved of by those in attendance"

i dont want that to be overlooked

2/10/2006 4:02:25 PM

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2/10/2006 4:22:54 PM

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2/10/2006 4:26:18 PM

I find it funny that Ted Kennedy is outspoken about wiretaps when his family had wiretaps on the King family. I thought it was typical of Democrats to speak out, but to say the President Bush shouldn't have been there is retarded. If that were the case then Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter and other Dems shouldn't have been at Reagans funeral because he was Republican. I think if Dubya hadn't have been there Dems and the media would have lambasted him worse. Its politics Jimmy Carter came out of that looking like a bitter curmudgeon. In the long run with the average American voter I think it hurts Democrats case for winning Majority in the congress.

2/10/2006 4:27:52 PM

dont try to make points with these guys...they will just call you names

2/10/2006 4:31:54 PM

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"but to say the President Bush shouldn't have been there is retarded."

care to show where someone, anyone, said that?

2/10/2006 4:58:17 PM

spookyjon

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"I would say going to the funeral of a woman I had nothing to do with was classless. "

2/10/2006 5:08:49 PM

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"its not that they were criticizing something they were against...its that they were doing at a funeral!!!"

/thread. really. its a funeral, not a political rally. you say nice words about the person, maybe mention her affiliations, read anything she wrote and said she wanted read at her funeral.

PREPARE FOR QUOTE BOMB!!!

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"George Bush represents a lot of the things Coretta Scott King was strongly against."

*cough*bullshit*cough*

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"because mrs. king would be so happy to have seen that shot of bush's face at her funeral."

really? are you now the spokesperson for her? did you read a letter from her saying "I want people to take pot shots at dubya during my funeral?" if not, then quit telling us what she wanted at her funeral.

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"when did criticizing war spending and wire tapping become criticizing the president"

while it may not be outright criticizing the president, its close enough for the discussion. In fact, I'm willing to go so far as to say that criticizing the president isn't the only crass thing that could have occurred at the funeral, so limiting the discussion (added) narrowing the focus of the crassness or saying the only crassness that could have occurred was(/added) to criticize the president is intellectually dishonest.

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"WAS MARTIN LUTHER KING JR THE KING OF PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION? that makes it appropriate WERE MARTIN AND CORETTA TARGETS OF WIRETAPS? that makes it appropriate"

really? since when did funerals become political rallies? Do we have to mention every fucking thing that happened in their lives? Oh, Dr. King was in a hotel once, I guess we should have talked about hotels at his funeral, right? Corretta wore clothes, they should have talked about her favorite designers then, right? Those things may be things that they went through, but the place to talk about them is not a funeral. You wanna talk about their wiretaps and peaceful demonstrations? Make a documentary about it.

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"However, it was a bit underhanded to invite the president to a funeral you know he wouldn't turn down, only to bash him once he got there."

thats a damned good point

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"the wellstone memorial was THE EXACT SAME THING. a man of principle with deep feelings had a memorial service dedicated to him wherein those things were discussed, just as I'm sure he would have wanted."

really? now you are Mr. Wellstone's spokesman from the dead as well? Damn, you need to get a business going on this!

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"fred phelps planned to protest king's funeral"

really? why the fuck does that matter? was he an actual speaker at the funeral? or was he just outside being a moron? What? he was outside exercising his right to free speech? what an asshole! for the record, I'll say its equally classless to picket a funeral. Unfortunately, we both know that two wrongs don't make a right... As well, it is also important to note that there is a distinct difference between planning and executing activism as a part of funeral proceedings and simply picketing outside of the funeral

DG, your quote from Bush Sr.'s remarks at Reagan's funeral is not at all bad. There's nothing inflammatory about it (aside from the pot shots at communism). he mentions the way reagan actually felt and what he accomplished in about the most unbiased manner possible.

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"If you want a conservative attacking the other political side at a funeral, i'm sure i can find one."

OK, do it. either way, it doesn't change the fact that making politically charged comments at any funeral is wrong, unless the deceased expressly mentioned that that is what they wanted to happen at their funeral.

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"moron gave a good one."

really? I didn't realize that conservatives made big politically charged speeches at Tillman's funeral.

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"I'll try to give a Clinton era one. A couple of days after the Columbine shootings occurred, the NRA held a protest/rally in Littleton, CO, after 15 kids were killed."

Wow, the NRA was at the funerals? BTW, numbnuts, the NRA rally had been planned LONG before the shootings occurred, so its not even close to comparable.

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"Oh yeah, how about Terri Schiavo?"

I didn't realize her funeral was open to the public, much less that conservatives spoke at it, much less that conservatives made politically charged speeches at it.

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"Pat Tillman would have punched you in your face, for your support of Bush, and his "illegal war" (Pat's actual term, according to one of his soldier friends)."

I sincerely doubt that Tillman would have "punched anyone in the face" for supporting Bush.

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"You said give an example. I gave 3."

no you didn't. you gave an example of lunatics picketing OUTSIDE OF A FUNERAL, not conservatives or conservative lunatics making political comments as part of a funeral proceeding.

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"THAT PASTOR WAS ONE OF HER CLOSE FRIENDS"

big fucking deal.

[Edited on February 10, 2006 at 10:28 PM. Reason : edit made]

2/10/2006 10:20:50 PM

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"so limiting the discussion to criticizing the president is intellectually dishonest."

did you even read the article i linked and quoted?

from GHWB:

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""In terms of the political shots at the president who was sitting there with his wife, I didn't like it and I thought it was kind of ugly frankly," "

2/10/2006 10:23:00 PM

whats your point, woodfoot? H-dubya didn't like people attacking his son at a funeral. shocker!

and, more importantly, I'll address your pseudo-point: the notion that because they didn't specifically say "dubya you suck!" or "dubya your policies suck!" means they weren't attacking him. You've got to be an idiot to even try and assert that. They are talking about Bush's policies, with Bush sitting in the fucking background unable to move. Its criticizing the president, even if you don't directly mention dubya. Those issues are directly linked to the president today, so to criticize them today is to criticize the president

2/10/2006 10:38:12 PM

In regards to the topic as a whole, as the saying goes-- everyone likes a dead hero. They tend to be much less threatening once they're dead.

Mr. and Mrs. King's entire lives were devoted to many ideals that were antithetical to Bush's ideology and where he's taking America. To give some trite eulogy full of warm fuzzies while standing directly infront of the man devoted to reversing much of Mrs. King's life's work would be wrong.

And before I get an "OMG BUSH ISN'T RACIST," I'm talking about the Kings' anti-war, pro-universal human equality/civil liberties work.

2/10/2006 10:39:32 PM

boonie, give me a break. dubya is NOT directly opposed to everything Mrs. King stood for, and he's not trying to reverse everything she did. in fact, if he were such a man, then it would be ludicrous to invite him to her funeral, wouldn't it? If dubya really is this great evil, don't invite him. you don't like him, you don't like what he's done? don't invite him.

2/10/2006 10:53:42 PM

Did I say everything? No.

And it was a bad idea to invite him.

2/10/2006 11:01:44 PM

well, then kindly show me how dubya is opposed to much of what the Kings stood for and how dubya is devoted to reversing what they accomplished

2/10/2006 11:06:36 PM

its not a pseudo-point

it is my point

and i stand by it

every day on this message board you folks talk about how KERRY MUST HAVE BEEN DUPED TOO and shit like that

so why is it now, when someone criticizes the war spending, its all on bush's shoulders?

2/10/2006 11:13:18 PM

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""However, it was a bit underhanded to invite the president to a funeral you know he wouldn't turn down, only to bash him once he got there." thats a damned good point"

Thank you.

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""moron gave a good one." really? I didn't realize that conservatives made big politically charged speeches at Tillman's funeral."

At this point in the thread, trikk was talking about how the "liberals" were whoring out a dead person for a political cause, which is what happened with Pat and Bush.

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"Quote : "Pat Tillman would have punched you in your face, for your support of Bush, and his "illegal war" (Pat's actual term, according to one of his soldier friends)." I sincerely doubt that Tillman would have "punched anyone in the face" for supporting Bush."

Clearly tongue in cheek. The point was that Tillman was not a Bush supporter (and also a pronounced atheist), and if he posted here, trikk would be calling him commie, liberal bastard, etc..

2/10/2006 11:14:33 PM

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"kindly show me how dubya is opposed to much of what the Kings stood for and how dubya is devoted to reversing what they accomplished"

[kind]As I've already stated, in addition to fighting for racial equality, the Kings were also anti-war, pro-socialism, pro-universal equality, and pro-civil liberties.

Need I contrast that with Bush?[/kind]



[Edited on February 11, 2006 at 1:05 AM. Reason : kindly]

2/11/2006 1:04:08 AM

i like how no one has responded to my points because of how on point they are

2/11/2006 1:35:28 AM

no one resonds to your points because you re a sophist.

2/11/2006 1:37:55 AM

It's more on-pointedness than we can handle.

2/11/2006 1:39:01 AM

maybe if you knew what a sophist really was you would understand why thats not an insult

so... thanks

2/11/2006 1:45:51 AM

you obviously never read any Plato

2/11/2006 1:51:29 AM

you obviously dont know how the meaning and usage of the word has changed

[Edited on February 11, 2006 at 1:57 AM. Reason : but i guess you can keep assuming you are the only person that has read plato, i got to go now]

2/11/2006 1:53:15 AM

the meaning of the word is the same as it was when Plato was writing. You obviously have never read any plato.


here is a hint, sophist = troll.

2/11/2006 2:00:07 AM

Clearly, those in attendance and those who spoke hadn't signed that wholly fascist and indefensible loyalty pledge required to stand within 500 ft. of Bush. That's why I find myself wondering if this would've happened had the Bush administration been a little more open to exposing him to criticism in public forums at some point during the past 5 years. Part of me thinks the temptation created by his presence at the funeral was too much for the speakers to overcome since they'd not seen, nor had an opportunity to deliver criticisms to his face before.

2/11/2006 3:47:55 AM

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"Clearly, those in attendance and those who spoke hadn't signed that wholly fascist and indefensible loyalty pledge required to stand within 500 ft. of Bush. "

I don't think that you have any idea what the word fascist means. I've seen liberals throw that word around like it's going out of style, but very rarely does it actually fit the circumstances. Explain plz.

PS, do you just pull bullshit like this out of your ass? Just 2 weeks ago Bush was at Kansas State fielding unscripted questions from unscreened college students.

2/11/2006 5:57:38 AM

Actually, they were screened. Check your facts.

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"A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."

Honestly, take your pick.

When a head of state refuses to field questions from, or even publicly appear before citizens who don't sign pledges of personal loyalty to him, he is effectively advocating a fascist policy of excluding opposition. No public dissent. No access for critics. One party, one opinion.

Paxton identifies 6 "motivating passions," which in aggregate, define a fascist government. One of which is clearly demonstrated by the pledge:

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"5. -- the need for closer integration of a purer community, by consent if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary;"

Citizens can join by consent if they like, or they can face exclusion as a consequence. No place in pluralistic democracy.

But, I suppose you think this is some form of anti-fascism...

And since you want to quabble over words, I'll go ahead and take note that you haven't defended the loyalty oath at all.

[Edited on February 11, 2006 at 6:29 AM. Reason : ...]

2/11/2006 6:21:25 AM

So you are saying that Bush is a dictator who suppresses the opposition through terror and censorship? I mean, I know that you are prone to hyperbole, but that's just ridiculous.

2/11/2006 6:34:10 AM

And you are apparently not prone to comprehending English. We're done.

[Edited on February 11, 2006 at 6:36 AM. Reason : ...]

2/11/2006 6:35:11 AM

so what did this bitch do that made her so important. big deal she fucked the king. does that make her a queen? in my book lowrey and carter are nothing short of ngrs

2/11/2006 11:13:22 AM

She didn't fuck THE king or her children would look like this:

2/11/2006 11:31:47 AM

wow

gamecat just laid down the big pwn stick

your name should be Pwnt Star now sir

and i love your response too btw

2/11/2006 1:42:18 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-franken/reflections-on-the-wellst_b_15459.html

According to Al Franken, who was at the Wellstone Memorial, the thing with Democrats and whoring there was just Republican spin.

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"The chapter was mainly about how cynically Republicans used the memorial politically as they complained that the Democrats had used it politically. And how the mainstream media, many of whom had neither attended the memorial nor seen it on TV, bought into the Republican spin. Mainly, there was a lot of lying. Rush Limbaugh claimed that the audience was "planted," when, in fact, Twin Cities' radio and TV had to tell people to stay away because Williams Arena was jammed to capacity three hours before the Memorial was scheduled to begin. Thousands were crowded into an overflow gym to watch on a screen and thousands watched outside on a cold, late October night. "

2/11/2006 11:21:26 PM

I'm just saying. I know what the word fascist means, motherfucker.

2/12/2006 1:52:31 AM

....so have any of the king family or friends complained about this yet?

2/12/2006 11:29:43 PM

they are too busy planning endless memorials to Mrs. King....the mothergoddess.

[Edited on February 12, 2006 at 11:49 PM. Reason : their]

2/12/2006 11:48:20 PM

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"so what did this bitch do that made her so important. big deal she fucked the king. does that make her a queen? in my book lowrey and carter are nothing short of ngrs "

yowza

2/13/2006 9:11:03 AM