And this is silly too:

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"I never claimed America was perfect either, although our fundamental respect for the practice of religion is grounded into our culture, not so much in Europe."

[Edited on February 21, 2006 at 9:51 PM. Reason : sss]

2/21/2006 9:51:08 PM

^ Establishment Clause of the Constitution.

As for my remarks about the non-religious, since you disagree with all of it, tell me why my original premise is wrong. This board, for instance, is the epitome of the hopelessness and bitter cynicism that embodies many anti-religious posters.

[Edited on February 21, 2006 at 9:54 PM. Reason : ]

2/21/2006 9:53:43 PM

woah, so now youve gone from saying youre other's "daddy" on the front page to judging the other posters on here like you hold some kind of moral high ground...

you know, you should really take a trip over there sometime. i suggest ireland or norway for long-term visits. im sure glad youre in the minority in your dislikes, id hate to see the cultural exchange die.

V ok, so how does that validate your judgements?



[Edited on February 21, 2006 at 10:01 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2006 9:55:58 PM

I can be insulting, funny, or serious if I want to be - free will, my friend.

2/21/2006 9:57:26 PM

Where have I claimed the moral high ground? I'm not any better than anyone else. But that shouldn't exclude me from calling it as I see it...

2/21/2006 10:07:15 PM

militant athiests and agnostics give people a very bad impression of the entire group, as these people seem to actually often be bitter and cynical and unhappy. personally, i believe this group of "non-believers" used the line of reasoning "i'm not happy b/c i'm ugly/dumb/unsuccessful therefore there is no god" rather than "the evidence presented indicates that there is no god (but there might be! in the case of agnostics)."

personally, i am an agnostic that is very happy. personally, i believe that most people, regardless of religion or lack thereof, have similer morals b/c conscience is a biological process that reinforces altruism that has been magnified through culture.

2/21/2006 10:24:23 PM

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"I'm not any better than anyone else. But that shouldn't exclude me from calling it as I see it..."

And according to how you see it, you're better than most Europeans.

You're like the other wacko Wolfpack guy, but without the coherence.

2/21/2006 10:31:40 PM

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"And according to how you see it, you're better than most Europeans."

And you're just like my 8 year old cousin, except she can read at a 3rd grade level.

Read into it whatever you want to read into it, especially since my observations hit pretty close to home with you, boonedocks.

2/21/2006 10:38:06 PM

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"except she can read at a 3rd grade level."

Says Wlfpk4Life, without the slightest hint of irony, despite the fact that only minutes ago he typed this:

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"Mortality is judged on religious grounds, not that I'm saying who is an atheist cannot have morals, but those who readily dismiss their religion and everything it stands for make themselves a part of this world, which means that they are more proned to be selfish, self-consumed, less caring for others, generally hopeless, unhappy, resentful, bitter, angry, more likely to engage in deviant activities, et. al. Since far less people in Europe even believe in the basics of morality that their forefathers did (love, hope, faith) they have no choice but to become morally bankrupt."

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"Read into it whatever you want to read into it, especially since my observations hit pretty close to home with you, boonedocks."

Sure, I'm a hopeless athiest... except the fact that I'm a generally optimistic Christian. BUT OTHER THAN THAT.

2/21/2006 10:45:25 PM

Again, just because I pointed out my general observations about atheists/agnostics with regards to Europe, where am I claiming superiority? I know my own faults and readily admit that I am no better than anybody else, what else do you want?

2/21/2006 10:55:18 PM

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"they are more proned to be selfish, self-consumed, less caring for others, generally hopeless, unhappy, resentful, bitter, angry, more likely to engage in deviant activities, et. al."

BUT IN NO WAY WERE YOU MAKING ANY VALUE JUDGEMENTS, RIGHT?

2/21/2006 10:59:28 PM

So you feel that the non-religious are just as proned to be as happy, hopeful, optmistic and giving as you are?

2/21/2006 11:03:11 PM

Yes, but generally for different reasons.

2/21/2006 11:04:02 PM

my girlfriend is agnostic, and shes generally the one that keeps my spirits up and definately has the kindness and optimism thing down.

youre making a silly generalization here.

2/21/2006 11:05:00 PM

woah now, this here scares me

2/21/2006 11:21:43 PM

Yeah man, fuck Europe. They're lazy asses and their economies are in total shambles.

In recent news, why the FUCK was I losing 1/5th of every dollar I converted into euro last month, and 1/2 of every dollar I converted into pounds?

2/22/2006 3:26:43 AM

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"Oh dear, I may actually agree with Wlfpk4Life"

2/22/2006 3:38:05 PM

At first blush perhaps, but read the rest of the thread.

2/22/2006 3:39:18 PM

Yeah, I don't agree that Europe is t3h evil, but jailing Irving really is a stupid thing to do.

Muslims now have the right to be pissed.

2/22/2006 3:41:15 PM

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"Mortality is judged on religious grounds, not that I'm saying who is an atheist cannot have morals, but those who readily dismiss their religion and everything it stands for make themselves a part of this world, which means that they are more proned to be selfish, self-consumed, less caring for others, generally hopeless, unhappy, resentful, bitter, angry, more likely to engage in deviant activities, et. al. Since far less people in Europe even believe in the basics of morality that their forefathers did (love, hope, faith) they have no choice but to become morally bankrupt."

Can we get back to this bullshit? I'm totally lost. The dude is clearly equating morality with religion, which is a joke, but at the same time, he's claiming not to equate morality with religion. All I see are a lot of words that amount to:

Without religion, people are more likely to be selfish, self-consumed, less caring for others, generally hopeless, unhappy, resentful, bitter, angry, and more likely to engage in deviant activities.

And then he goes on to somehow connect that incorrect assertion to Europe.

2/22/2006 3:51:22 PM

its funny, we did aestheticism today in western lit class, and we kept getting back to the fact that most 19th century western literature was devoid of religious undertones when compared to the 18th century...so in other words, this isnt a new thing.

Well, I guess it just shows even more how Europe is and has been a den of sin. Oscar Wilde was a homosexual! Oh no!

ps: he was jailed just as our Mr. Irving was, only this was b/c of sexual preference.

2/22/2006 6:33:37 PM

so wait, they arrested him in november of 2005, based on a 1992 law, based on something he did in 1989? *cough*ex post facto*cough*

nevermind the fact that he is technically right that most of the jews died of typhus, rather than execution. I don't see how that is denying that the Holocaust took place, but that's just me...

2/23/2006 1:23:11 AM

Wait, so, he wasn't arrested for spreading lies, as if that was bad enough, but for speading half truths?

2/23/2006 9:56:08 AM

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"Mortality is judged on religious grounds, not that I'm saying who is an atheist cannot have morals, but those who readily dismiss their religion and everything it stands for make themselves a part of this world, which means that they are more proned to be selfish, self-consumed, less caring for others, generally hopeless, unhappy, resentful, bitter, angry, more likely to engage in deviant activities, et. al. Since far less people in Europe even believe in the basics of morality that their forefathers did (love, hope, faith) they have no choice but to become morally bankrupt"

I agree, ignorance IS bliss.



Except for catholics...not a cheerful group

2/23/2006 10:43:44 AM

furthermore,

so europe is the morally bankrup one? have you SEEN daytime tv. do you watch the news?

do they have "I cheated on my wife w/ over 100 women!" talk shows over there? if so, do they have like 15 people on there that do that every time?

pot kettle black. lol.

2/24/2006 5:21:03 PM