^The electorial college votes on behalf of the population of the state (or is supposed to anyways).

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"exactly. you just stated you had to be partisan to say that bush is handling the war well. talk to a real person, off the record, and they would never say the war is going well."

He said he had never met anyone that made up the 34%. I was telling he that he has and didnt know it. Either your trying to put words in my mouth or you are lacking basic reasoning skills.

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"hmm, well. learn some english k?"

Ironic, huh?

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[Edited on March 2, 2006 at 6:50 PM. Reason : s]

3/2/2006 6:42:17 PM

nope

3/2/2006 7:14:30 PM

does this girl even realize that most (well, a lot of) conservatives are even turning on bush now?

werent you the same one that said that anything racist you say isnt really racist b/c this is tww and nothing is real so if i say "nigger" i dont mean it in a racist way even though i use it to describe black folks and noone in their right mind would comprehend the shit coming out of my keyboard.

3/2/2006 11:11:47 PM

^Yes, I realize that a lot of conservatives are turning on him, and that has nothing to do with my opinion of him... ever think of that-maybe, just maybe-I make my own opinions regardless of the rest?

3/2/2006 11:36:23 PM

no, sadly i dont think about you at all, im not that considerate.

care to expound?

3/2/2006 11:49:47 PM

dp

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3/2/2006 11:53:11 PM

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"does this girl even realize that most (well, a lot of) conservatives are even turning on bush now"

Well, consider that conservatives make up roughly 50% of the population, and 34% of the population still approves 100% with the president. Now, assuming that no democrats or moderates voted to approve since you guys seem to think thats impossible, I wouldnt exactly describe the amount as "most conservatives." It would be around 16%. This is of course also assuming that the pollsters sampled a very large, random, national audience.

[Edited on March 3, 2006 at 9:26 AM. Reason : .]

3/3/2006 9:24:13 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/02/bush.poll/index.html

3/3/2006 12:50:22 PM

This is becoming formulaic. The Red crowd was up in arms the last time CBS led the way with a poll showing drastic approval losses for Bush, and made nary an apology after subsequent polls by Gallup, the Pew Center, and even *gasp* Fox News said essentially the same thing.

I expect a complete repeat of that.

3/3/2006 1:39:27 PM

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"not going to change just because the media is having another hissy-fit"

Have you paid attention at all? Who cares about the media. Youv'e got governors of states with legal action, you've got the majority of congress and the senate trying to block it.

3/3/2006 1:57:02 PM

Quinnepac has him at 36%, within 34%'s margin of error. How's that crow tasting?

3/3/2006 2:20:13 PM

37%. In Indiana.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060305/NEWS02/603050539

Excuse me while I laugh hysterically.

3/6/2006 7:08:23 AM

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"Well, consider that conservatives make up roughly 50% of the population, and 34% of the population still approves 100% with the president. Now, assuming that no democrats or moderates voted to approve since you guys seem to think thats impossible, I wouldnt exactly describe the amount as "most conservatives." It would be around 16%. This is of course also assuming that the pollsters sampled a very large, random, national audience."

You are a little off there. Assuming that conservatives make up roughly 50% of the population, and 34% of the population still approves and assuming that no democrats or moderates voted to approve....

With your assumptions it's not 16% of all conservatives, it's 16% of the total. Again with your assumptions... 16% of that 50% you are labeling as conservative that made the switch would be about 1/3 of all conservatives (or 16% when considering both conservatives and liberals).

Think about it this way. Let's say conservatives are 50%, only conservatives approve, and 34% still approve of him. That's roughly 2/3 of the conservatives - leaving 1/3 who don't approve.

Still not the majority but I had to point out the error.

[Edited on March 6, 2006 at 9:22 AM. Reason : -]

3/6/2006 9:18:01 AM

Fine, Bush has bad approval ratings, I'll believe now that some real news outlets have independently verified it. I still hope he ignores the Washington media at large.

[Edited on March 6, 2006 at 11:53 AM. Reason : ll.]

3/6/2006 11:53:36 AM

right, because the media is 100% responsible for the outcome of approval polls.

3/6/2006 1:07:50 PM

And the hits just keep on coming...

So, TGD. This is an awful big conspiracy we've got going on here. CBS, Gallup, Quinnepac, AP-Ipsos, Fox News, and the Pew Center, all at about the same number! I know Soros' pockets are deep, but I didn't know they were that deep.

Could it be that maybe, just MAYBE, the people actually are disapproving of the president in record numbers? Y'know, like the polls suggest?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/13/bush.poll/

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"Iraq drives Bush's rating to new low Americans pessimistic on war as president launches new push WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Growing dissatisfaction with the war in Iraq has driven President Bush's approval rating to a new low of 36 percent, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday. Only 38 percent said they believe the nearly 3-year-old war was going well for the United States, down from 46 percent in January, while 60 percent said they believed the war was going poorly. Nearly half of those polled said they believe Democrats would do a better job of managing the war -- even though only a quarter of them said the opposition party has a clear plan for resolving the situation. (Interactive: poll results) Pollsters quizzed 1,001 adults Friday through Sunday for the poll; most questions had a sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. Fifty-seven percent said they believe the March 2003 invasion of Iraq was a mistake, near September's record high of 59 percent. That question had a sampling error of plus or minus 4.5 points. Bush's approval rating of 36 percent is the lowest mark of his presidency in a Gallup poll, falling a percentage point below the 37 percent approval he scored in November. The previous CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, conducted February 28-March 1, put his job approval at 38 percent. (View Bush's second term approval ratings) Sixty percent of those surveyed in the latest poll said they disapproved of his performance in office, the same figure as in the last poll. (Read full results document -- PDF) Certain about Iraq The poll found Bush's fortunes are tied to Iraq, where more than 2,300 U.S. troops have been killed. Two-thirds of those surveyed told pollsters that history will remember Bush most for the March 2003 invasion that toppled Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and the battle against a persistent insurgency that followed the Hussein regime's collapse. Bush launched his latest effort to shore up support for the war Monday, accusing Iran of providing explosives used to attack American troops and telling an audience at George Washington University that U.S. forces were "making progress" against insurgents. He also praised Iraqis for averting civil war despite the sectarian violence that came after February's bombing of the al-Askariya mosque in Samarra, a revered Shiite Muslim shrine. "The situation in Iraq is still tense, and we're still seeing acts of sectarian violence and reprisal," Bush said. "Yet out of this crisis, we've also seen signs of a hopeful future." (Full story) With congressional elections approaching, public discontent with the war appeared to be taking a toll on Bush's fellow Republicans. Only 32 percent polled over the weekend said they thought Bush had a clear plan for handling the situation in Iraq, while 67 percent said he did not. Only 25 percent said Democrats had a clear plan -- but 48 percent said Democrats would do a better job managing the issue, while 40 percent favored Republicans. Democrats enjoy lead Those figures, along with weakened support for GOP handling of the battle against terrorism, have given Democrats a 16 percentage point lead over Republicans when registered voters are asked which party they will support in November. (Watch what the poll might mean at the polls -- 1:49) Democrats drew the support of 55 percent of the registered voters questioned, while 39 percent said they would be voting Republican in the fall. That question had a sampling error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. Republicans held a 4-point advantage over Democrats on dealing with terrorism, 45 to 41 percent. And despite increasing optimism about economic conditions, Democrats held a strong lead over the GOP, 53-38 percent, when asked which party would better manage the economy. To make the case for war, Bush and other top officials said the invasion of Iraq was necessary to strip the country of illicit stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. U.S. inspectors later concluded that Iraq had dismantled its weapons programs under U.N. sanctions in the 1990s, though it had concealed some weapons-related research from the United Nations. The latest poll found 51 percent of Americans believed the administration deliberately misled the public about whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, while 46 percent disagreed. That question had a sampling error of 4.5 percentage points as well."

I'm sure it's purely a coincidence that Bush is beginning a major PR pitch to drum support back up for the war in Iraq. Since he doesn't pay any attention to polls and all....

3/13/2006 8:40:46 PM

Joshua, why do you hate freedom so much? We all know that using God's divine inspiration that George W. Bush is smiting those Evil Doers or detaining them and an offshore prison facility under perfectly legitimate reasons.

3/13/2006 9:38:17 PM

Nothing like a faith-based Presidency. "Iraq? It's going well. Trust me. The deficit? It can stand to get bigger. Trust me. Domestic spying? We won't spy on you. Trust me."

Every morning I wake up shocked and angry that I still have my freedomz.

3/13/2006 9:44:43 PM

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"Gamecat: So, TGD. This is an awful big conspiracy we've got going on here. CBS, Gallup, Quinnepac, AP-Ipsos, Fox News, and the Pew Center, all at about the same number! I know Soros' pockets are deep, but I didn't know they were that deep."

"Strawman, meet my friend Gamecat. Gamecat, Strawman."

3/14/2006 10:53:28 AM

Oh, I'm sorry. I took the "W is going down!!1" as [sarcasm]. Are you saying that you don't believe that CBS just made up numbers to make the poor ol'president look bad? I mean, OMF RATHERGATE!!

Harris Poll has him at 36% for this month, and CBS's newly released poll still has W at 34%. Oh when will they all stop lying and admit that 55% of Americans are George's best friends?

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 3:19 PM. Reason : ...]

3/14/2006 3:08:05 PM

No I believe CBS slanted the numbers to get the responses they wanted. Are you telling me you believe CBS didn't load their sample so they could grab "OMF teh Worst Numbers Evar!!1" headlines two weeks ago?

I didn't post the thread to dispute Bush's shitty poll ratings, I posted the thread to highlight that CBS is a shitty "news" organization that pretty much devotes its time to being a mouthpiece for teh L3ft.

3/14/2006 4:36:52 PM

I'd say if anything their poll was predictive of other polls. How did they knew to load it with Democrats to get such a low rating just a day or so before other polls came out with similar numbers? Does CBS employ politically biased psychics?

3/14/2006 5:57:20 PM

Could this get any funnier?

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=271

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"Bush Approval Falls to 33%, Congress Earns Rare Praise Dubai Ports Fallout Summary of Findings In the aftermath of the Dubai ports deal, President Bush's approval rating has hit a new low and his image for honesty and effectiveness has been damaged. Yet the public uncharacteristically has good things to say about the role that Congress played in this high-profile Washington controversy. Most Americans (58%) believe Congress acted appropriately in strenuously opposing the deal, while just 24% say lawmakers made too much of the situation. While there is broad support for the way Congress handled the dispute, more Americans think Democratic leaders showed good judgment on the ports issue than say the same about GOP leaders (by 30%-20%). The new Pew survey underscores the public's alarm over the prospect that an Arab-owned company could have operated U.S. ports. Fully 41% say they paid very close attention to news about the debate, which is unusually high interest for a Washington story and is only slightly lower than the number tracking Iraq war news very closely (43%). There was broad opposition to the proposed deal from across the political spectrum, including two-to-one disapproval among conservative Republicans (56%-27%). Bush's overall approval measure stands at 33%, the lowest rating of his presidency. Bush's job performance mark is now about the same as the ratings for Democratic and Republican congressional leaders (34% and 32%, respectively), which showed no improvement in spite of public approval of the congressional response to the ports deal. The president's ratings for handling of several specific issues, particularly terrorism, have also declined sharply. Just 42% now approve of Bush's job in handling terrorist threats, an 11-point drop since February. In January 2005, as Bush was starting his second term, 62% approved of his handling of terrorist threats. Bush's personal image also has weakened noticeably, which is reflected in people's one-word descriptions of the president. Honesty had been the single trait most closely associated with Bush, but in the current survey "incompetent" is the descriptor used most frequently (See pp. 7-8). The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted among 1,405 adults from March 8-12, finds no evidence of a public backlash against foreign commercial and economic ties in the wake of the ports deal. A narrow majority (53%) has a negative view of foreign investors owning U.S. companies. But that is significantly less than the 70% expressing the same opinion in 1989, when high-profile acquisitions of U.S. firms by Japanese companies provoked widespread concern. Moreover, by 53%-36% more Americans view foreign companies investing in the United States as a good thing; there are no significant partisan differences on this issue. Two-thirds of Americans (66%) believe free trade is good for the United States, which is largely unchanged since 2000. However, the public continues to have an overwhelmingly negative view of "outsourcing" jobs by American businesses. About seven-in-ten (71%) say the practice is bad because it sends good jobs overseas, while 20% think it is good for the U.S. because it keeps costs down. The survey finds that the falloff in the president's support since the start of his second term includes a significant decline in support among Republicans. Overall, half of Americans approved of Bush's overall job performance in January 2005, while 43% disapproved. Today, just 33% approve compared with 57% who disapprove. In January 2005, Bush earned a lofty 89% approval from members of his own party, but that has declined to 73% in the current survey. Among independents, the number approving of Bush's job performance has fallen from 47% in January 2005 to 26% today; and Bush's support among Democrats, already quite low, has fallen by about half since the start of his second term (from 17% to 9%). Core Supporters Less Satisfied with Bush [(Excluding TGD of course)--Gamecat] A more detailed portrait of the falloff in Bush approval shows significant declines among groups who had been the president's strongest supporters. In January 2005, conservative Republicans approved of the president by a margin of 94% to 3%. While still overwhelmingly supportive, today just 78% of conservative Republicans approve while 16% disapprove. Support from moderate and liberal Republicans has dropped by about the same amount, from 82% to 65% today. Many people who voted for Bush in the 2004 election are more critical of his performance. Currently, 68% of Bush voters approve of his performance, while 22% disapprove. Shortly after the election Bush voters approved of his performance by a margin of 92% to 4%. White evangelical Christians were solidly behind the president throughout his first term in office, but that support has waned over the past 15 months. Currently, just 54% of white evangelicals approve of the president's job in office, while 36% disapprove. Bush's support has also dropped among people who attend church each week or more frequently. According to post-election exit polls conducted by the National Election Pool, these voters backed Bush over Kerry by a 61%-38% margin. But today more disapprove (46%) than approve (42%) of his performance. Even among people who say that the war in Iraq was the right decision, support for the president has declined. Today, 30% of people who believe that the use of force in Iraq was the right decision disapprove of the president's overall job performance, up from just 14% in January 2005. Job approval among Iraq war supporters has fallen from 81% to 58% over this time span. ..."

There's more about Congress, who received a bump for opposing the Dubai deal, but it wasn't really relevant.

Wow, though. 33%. Worst since Nixon. And the word most associated with him now is "incompetent." Look it up.



And while generic congressional ballots mean little, the edge Democrats have over Republicans is the highest it's been since 1982.

[Edited on March 15, 2006 at 4:52 PM. Reason : ...]

3/15/2006 4:44:42 PM